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[chennisden]

Worst case we lynch wrong and lynch scum tomorrow.

WORST CASE. That's terrible for scum btw.

PRs should claim D1 and w/o counterclaim we spare.

Don't scum just kill the pr claim night 1?

Nah we spare them.

[DrDolittle]

PRs should claim D1 and w/o counterclaim we spare.

thats pretty extreme... considering

Early claiming from the town power role is detrimental as all of them are vulnerable to a factional nightkill.

nonetheless i think youre town

[Something_Smart]

Yeah I get the spare PR idea, don't see why it needs to be D1 though. If we spare D1 then Undyne can claim D2.

[chennisden]

If scum CC:

1) they're throwing
2) we figure out who the scum is and lynch that

worst case we'll lynch the situationally useful PR and kill the scum D2 which isn't bad btw!

[DrDolittle]

and if there is a cc, then we go into day 3 in a 5-1?

[Oversoul]

If Chennis forces the PR to claim I will advocate for Genocide route

[chennisden]

Spare happens before NK ddl

If there's no counterclaim (there probably will be none) we spare the PR

If there is a counterclaim we're going to find the scum and lynch them

[Something_Smart]

Well, here's my idea. If you're PR and you think you have a reasonable (~33% or greater) chance of dying at night, you should claim and be spared. Otherwise, we can probably put that off until D2/D3 because Toriel equity.

[chennisden]

and if there is a cc, then we go into day 3 in a 5-1?

Worst case yeah then I think we just play mafia at that point.

[chennisden]

Well, here's my idea. If you're PR and you think you have a reasonable (~33% or greater) chance of dying at night, you should claim and be spared. Otherwise, we can probably put that off until D2/D3 because Toriel equity.

Asgore should probably claim today, idk how strongly I feel about undyne claiming today but i feel like they should, and toriel maybe claims d2? idk

i think prs should claim d1/d2

[DrDolittle]

meh numbers-wise its not a bad play.
gut says that if im pr im not going to claim since it ruins the fun, especially if Im Undyine or Toriel

Not sure if I agree its the best plan since we lose out on PR action, but its better than mine

[Something_Smart]

Well Undyne claim D2 in genocide is pretty funny for some evil WIFOM

[chennisden]

btw i think the PR will prolly play rly obvious and we should just get rid of them early ya know

[chennisden]

we're sparing almost always btw. minus the scum CC (which i don't think will happen) we're sparing.

also CC worst case gives us 6-1 not 5-1 so scum literally has to be the towniest or second towniest person alive idk

[Oversoul]

How about this

Do we want to go for Spare with safety valve of Neutral, or we want to go for Genocide with safety valve of Neutral? Thinking about it, I think we should do the later.

[Something_Smart]

Yeah, I mean, it's obvious that chennisden is the PR

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:

[chennisden]

How about this

Do we want to go for Spare with safety valve of Neutral, or we want to go for Genocide with safety valve of Neutral? Thinking about it, I think we should do the later.

no, we should spare. scum has to play significantly better to be spared than for them to just get mislynches.

[chennisden]

cool
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Something_Smart
Gamma Emerald
chennisden
Elements
Oversoul
DrDolittle
Dr Easy Bake
volxen
Chemist1422
Adorable
Emperor flippyNips
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people who should be easy to read:
chennis
gamma
volxen (it's been a while but i think his town meta is p obvious)

[Oversoul]

I don’t think that’s true. Sparing is like doing the scums job for them. We are removing the townies player then they have a chance to remove the second towniest player. It accelerates the race to the bottom which is typically why most scum teams win.

[chennisden]

idk if elements is town or just good at mafia.

[chennisden]

I don’t think that’s true. Sparing is like doing the scums job for them. We are removing the townies player then they have a chance to remove the second towniest player. It accelerates the race to the bottom which is typically why most scum teams win.

no.

just no.

[Oversoul]

I really, really don’t get EV.

Looking at the EV for 9-2 it is 35.2 town win. With a confirmed innocent (our PR) in this case, the EV increases to 35.7. Da fuq? A confirmed townie is only worth .5?? I don’t trust math.

[chennisden]

if we're playing the spare game then we've changed scum's job entirely.

[chennisden]

and thus we aren't doing it for them.