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Hi Volxen!

HEAL:

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Nice

HEAL: chennisden

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Uh we should go with neutral spare 3 heal 1 its like a "party" mechanic

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Im thinking prolly spare spare kill spare or spare kill spare spare prolly

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Undyne should claim now btw

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We're never using her ability

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oversoul you're throwing out names and healing who looks like your scum partner

can you not

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IF THERE'S A COUNTERCLAIM WE LYNCH THE SCUM DUH

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mafia would be rly stupid to try counterclaiming since worst case we just go to d3 with 1 mislynch and 1 scumlynch.

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We're never using her ability

Do you think genocide is bad or just a boring option in a setup like this?

Undyne's power is amazing if it triggers.

Mostyl I don't want to go the weakest route on the chance we have Undyne. We can make her useful by her claiming which either will (1) get us a conftown or (2) worst case lynch us a scum

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IF THERE'S A COUNTERCLAIM WE LYNCH THE SCUM DUH

But we don’t know who is the scum duh. And we won’t because no flips duh

Read the game we have lynches

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Worst case we lynch wrong and lynch scum tomorrow.

WORST CASE. That's terrible for scum btw.

PRs should claim D1 and w/o counterclaim we spare.

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oversoul you're throwing out names and healing who looks like your scum partner

can you not

You think the scumteam would open the game by stacking heal votes on one of their members? O.o

(To be clear I would be totally down for this and was planning to self-heal before I got my role but I doubt my partner would want to tie themself to me like that.)

Pacifist is flipless I think so idk

Oversoul looks terrible rn and you don't fwiw

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Uh yeah I strongly think PR should claim now

The PRs are situational and we either spare a town or find a scum

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Maybe not NOW NOW but definitely sometime in D1 where we've had enough time to sort some people and we have enough time to decide on a counterclaim if scum decides to throw

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Worst case we lynch wrong and lynch scum tomorrow.

WORST CASE. That's terrible for scum btw.

PRs should claim D1 and w/o counterclaim we spare.

Don't scum just kill the pr claim night 1?

Nah we spare them.

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If scum CC:

1) they're throwing
2) we figure out who the scum is and lynch that

worst case we'll lynch the situationally useful PR and kill the scum D2 which isn't bad btw!

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Spare happens before NK ddl

If there's no counterclaim (there probably will be none) we spare the PR

If there is a counterclaim we're going to find the scum and lynch them

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and if there is a cc, then we go into day 3 in a 5-1?

Worst case yeah then I think we just play mafia at that point.

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Well, here's my idea. If you're PR and you think you have a reasonable (~33% or greater) chance of dying at night, you should claim and be spared. Otherwise, we can probably put that off until D2/D3 because Toriel equity.

Asgore should probably claim today, idk how strongly I feel about undyne claiming today but i feel like they should, and toriel maybe claims d2? idk

i think prs should claim d1/d2

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btw i think the PR will prolly play rly obvious and we should just get rid of them early ya know

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we're sparing almost always btw. minus the scum CC (which i don't think will happen) we're sparing.

also CC worst case gives us 6-1 not 5-1 so scum literally has to be the towniest or second towniest person alive idk

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How about this

Do we want to go for Spare with safety valve of Neutral, or we want to go for Genocide with safety valve of Neutral? Thinking about it, I think we should do the later.

no, we should spare. scum has to play significantly better to be spared than for them to just get mislynches.

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cool
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Something_Smart
Gamma Emerald
chennisden
Elements
Oversoul
DrDolittle
Dr Easy Bake
volxen
Chemist1422
Adorable
Emperor flippyNips
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people who should be easy to read:
chennis
gamma
volxen (it's been a while but i think his town meta is p obvious)

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idk if elements is town or just good at mafia.

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I don’t think that’s true. Sparing is like doing the scums job for them. We are removing the townies player then they have a chance to remove the second towniest player. It accelerates the race to the bottom which is typically why most scum teams win.

no.

just no.

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if we're playing the spare game then we've changed scum's job entirely.

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and thus we aren't doing it for them.

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rather than driving town to their deaths they have to drive themselves for the spare.

it's much harder to pretend you're arguing in good faith when you have to push yourself as the towniest player in the game.

in a LOT of setups scum can stop going for the agenda that they're the towniest player at some point. even fakegod's dance setup which is prolly the most townsided game i've seen in a while gives some room for that. this setup is townsided if we play this way because we don't give scum the room to do that, EVER.

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im hurt.

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btw we can't let mechanical talk supersede getting reads. look more for townreads tho

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they won't get two spares.

one of our spares will be the PR. the other should prolly be me.

scum has to fit their way through gamma/volxen and idk if ONE scum can do that let alone BOTH. and if either of them is scum uh i think it won't be too difficult to tell.

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it's been 4 pages and i think i've been quite obviously town and i also think it's kinda obvious you're scum.

like, you're trying to steer the mechanics discussion in a way that benefits you and also benefits scum.

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you also managed to call town scum twice.

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if we weren't sparing you'd be the first to go, oversoul.

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I just realized how many lurkers/inscrutable players we have in this game. I will not be sparing anyone and do not think we should spare. We need alignments.

this is wrong

we're getting alignments a la the "party mechanic" in neutral

sparing is an easy way to protect the PR from scum (scum ALSO CAN'T COUNTERCLAIM W/O HUGE OPPORTUNITY LOSS)

we have enough people who can towntell quite well, etc.

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sparing first is much better.

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thank you, but we don't need to flip people's alignments as much as you think we do.

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you also haven't brought up the only valid concern about a more spare-heavy strategy, so i dont think your view on sparing vs killing is right.

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WE SPARE THE PR

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THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT ARE GOOD AT TOWNTELLING THAT WE CAN JUST WIN

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also as scum i don't push myself as the obvtown that should endgame this early and as town i do so uhh

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yeah im prolly vote parking on myself unless i see a good reason to vote GE or volxen

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You said that once and I do not believe you especially when you mentioned Gamma Emerald as one of those players.

GE is usually transparently town oversoul so idk what you're talking about?

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scumreading me for bad reasons was how i won my last scumgame so even if i'm scum the way you're playing around me is significantly -EV

it's best for you not to call me scum because if i'm scum you're giving me a way to easily fake the mental gymnastics required to deviate from the plan that wins the game for town with little accountability.

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i also am obviously not scum so idk what else to say.

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oversoul i'm p sure you're Not VT so uh

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i also am obviously not scum so idk what else to say.

I was in agreement with this until you said it ngl.

the difference is that as scum i'd say "i am obviously town"

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enough on that; i guess i'd prefer to spare the PR today

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idk

if i were scum optimally i'd be pushing the S_S spare a la "sakura hana/pienyan endgame" style and push myself pretty hard.

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Actually no. The fifth player to be spared will also be confirmed town, so scum can already kill a conftown in pacifist.

How are they conftown?

because sparing mafia as 5th player loses the game...?

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read the op pretty please

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tl;dr look more for townreads

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Exactly it's prolly better for undyne just to claim today and live

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The PRs are really weak we're not gonna hope they play optimally for some small gain when the risk is really bad

Risk reward wise sparing the pr is the best

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yeah SS is right

i might be fine with just sparing elements and calling it a day tbh

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. . .

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see, we want to

spare

the PR

so spare me/elements then PR claims then we spare PR

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Idk

correct play at this point seems like D1 - Spare chennis D2 - PR outs and gets spared and D3 - idk

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Alright we goteem

Btw if elements is alive tmrw im not opposed to just sending elements D2 instead of PR

goodbye everyone!

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elements u are a smart player. spare this guy if he's alive

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i don't want to jinx it but this game is staaaarting to seem trivial.

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d1 chennis
d2 elements or volxen
d3 PR

im sure u can figure out d4 urselves

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okay

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I donot think my best friend elements is scum because if he was i would die

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and something smarty is town

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See I thought if elements was scum he'd be scum with S_S but S_S is town so his most probable scumpartner can't even be scum

Like I'm

mostly

convinced Elements is town but like I have a few concerns that I want to hash out with you smarty

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I don't have anything significant to add other than I'm ready to end the day and meh on Elements town.

like Elements is probably 80 percent town, but I wouldn't say he's 95 percent town.

my issue with elements is that he's really just going along with the "popular consensus", which in this style of game could be just going for, I need to be spared and as long as people town read me enough that's OK. For example, his read list of Chemist (obv town), Chennis (moot), and Adorable (adorable) as town seems to suggest that hey, if sparing the 4th, just spare me. He also finds it required to say SS and Oversoul as scum, but only one of them, it's might be used to throw shade at the null pile

But maybe I'm overthinking things

Ddl raises some fair points on elements scum

He dies

That's the major concern I have and I don't think adorable scumteam has enough foresight to decide to kill this and frame elements, when it got ignored in the main thread by all probability.

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Gamma is killed probably for the oversoul read

Whoever the scumteam is, they probably never planned to try and mislynch me. But that doesn't explain why oversoul kept calling me scum for no reason

Idk maybe the shot was to try and frame oversoul. But then that's kind of pointless

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I think OS is scum because of that weird ass heal on Adorable, Gamma's death, him attempting to throw town off course, etc, but that's moot.

I think scum was on S_S wagon too

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Um the question is: was Oversoul's reaction to the elements spare real or fake

And did he speedheal adorable because he needed her to be spared for the W or because he didnt give a shit because scum elements was spared

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Adorable also did feel like she was riding the wave a lot and the fact that she was resistant particularly to the idea of a volxen/adorable scumteam in the most scummy fashion possible points to her being scum

I don't know what really points to her being town and I do think if she's scum her buddy has heavily manipulated people's reads on her

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Let's say the volxen/adorable team is true

Then volxen says "gamma, chennis, adorable, elements town" and hides his agenda behind oversoul's bullshit

And what that really does is gives some form of credit to the guy they're nightkilling (so that doesn't really matter), does little for my slot since like it was well established im town, subtly gives a decent amount of credit to the partner who was a "middle read" (sorta lurky, wouldn't be lynched but also not nightkilled in a normal game), and sort of "buddies" the next strongest town (elements) so he can continue on with his agenda.

And the explanation for killing gamma would be "he's on the wagon," and they couldn't kill elements in fear of PR protection. But that doesn't make too much sense since oftentimes PRs can have a substantially different mindset than the collective and there's only a 1/3 chance of elements being spared, and gamma was not very likely to be spared until much later. I don't know how Gamma would've really presented a threat to Volxen/adorable.

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See here's the thing

If Volxen is scum then he intentionally blurred the lines between elements and adorable right

But aghgfhgf

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No. Oversoul's fakeclaim PR bullshit was very much in scum's plans whether partner is adorable or elements

The fact that adorable has so much partner equity with OS is bad. And he's been working against town's general flow the entire game then he just decides to vote adorable?? Is that something OS does on accident??

But if elements is scum he is intentionally diverting away from OS and painting a volxen/adorable scumteam which i dont really think is , right

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You can fight me postgame elements but the objectively correct solve is

adorable/oversoul

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I think

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idk if elements is town or just good at mafia.

i never thought i'd actually have to think about this shit again though.

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The GE kill does not make sense from an elements or adorable perspective individually and I suspect it was for the oversoul read.

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Now that I’ve locked Chennis in the shadow realm I think he is scum and strongly advocate that we reach the core at neutral stage

Sure, but we're lynching you for that move

Uhhh sure you are

This also feels like taunting the NK

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See OS/Elements would explain the N3 kill because my dumbass decided to telegraph the protect

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mkay

oversoul knows he can't win by lynching me which is why he shades adorable

elements knows he can't win by lynching me which is why he is going for adorable

BUT wrt elements - if he was town he would know full well that I am town. so no im not gonna scumread him just for being good at the game, but i cant really townread him for that either.

aaaaaagh

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I read the game wrong and am a dumbass

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Yeah volxen/adorable does work

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I thought that volxen was not on the adorable wagon.

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s_s i would like you to share your thoughts because i think os/adorable does it

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you know what? maybe the team is volxen/adorable but it's more funny if i be an ass and insist it's os/adorable because it changes nothing

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the bottom line is

elements has consistently been pushing town's wincon before he needed to do it as scum. it would give him no benefit as scum

adorable has been pushing town's wincon, true, but it's like, she was doing it when it was sort of inevitable. my spare was inevitable and i'd have to kick and scream a little more without them maybe, sure, but it was inevitable

like, i just dont see how oversoul can be town though. his positions taken in consideration with either of you two's positions suck. i dont think os/elements is much of a team though, and s_s/elements would make more sense BUT S_S IS TOWN.

like, what if oversoul was just hiding in audacity to sort of act as a cloak for adorable not really pushing town's agenda that much?

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basically oversoul's shit takes attention away from adorable in a good way but it doesn't for elements.

and that's why im on oversoul/adorable, so yeah

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in a goodo way for scum, that is.

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like, no offense to anyone, but this playerlist is not hard to take control of.

just looking at postcount the two people who really fit that bill are oversoul and myself. except i got spared too early to do anything, which i think was oversoul's main agenda.

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Okay

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DDL would've been spared over adorable IMO

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See I don't think scum elements has the foresight to push my wagon D1 that early and like hope it gets him uber town read.

He was in a perfect position to get himself spared. All he had to do was NK me

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Then his partner can powerplay.

Right?

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Now that elements has cleared up my last doubt I might be ready to end the game

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HURT: Elements

On day 2 Elements town reads me and he puts DDL on the null list, DDL doubts Elements being town and then he gets killed. Elements killing DDL makes more sense since as scum, he would want to keep the players alive who have been town reading him so that they can spare him. Scum Adorable would have kept DDL alive since he town read me and I would use him to spare me. Elements seems to just be going with the flow on what chennis is saying and agreeing with him. I'm not dumb enough to make it obvious on volxen or oversoul being my scum buddy for sparing me like that and scum knew I was protected on N3 since Chemist said in the spare chat he protected me on N3. I'm pretty sure scum spared me so that they can use me as mislynch bait and it would be good game for scum since they will win when I get mislynched.

See this feels like, TMI ish?? Yeah?? and um why would they even nightkill you if you were lynchbait. thx

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VOTE: adorable should win.

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Nips and adorable should both be town. Send them. Elements is ok as well

but i think ddl was townreading adorable more than elements.

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I fuck with that.

I’d put myself higher but I get why I’m not. I was super burnt out on mafia when I started this game. I think I’m getting back into the groove of things now tho

I’d only put myself one higher tho but that’s basically cos all of volxen’s post have been like wall posts & im lazy. So I don’t have a good reason for putting myself one higher besides I know I’m town lol




Pedit: @555

Maybe he was killed for the volxen comment. Idk

But see if elements is scum. he doesnt need to kill senor nips.

But Adorable/volxen might need to

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FLippynips was really the only person left who was viable for sparing that wasn't adorable

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Because he can heal.

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Never mind

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Gonna need to reread spare chat but Chemist was townreading Adorable no? Why did he die over me?

He thought it was Adorable over Elements (for the scum)

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No no no no no

Literally any doubt I have about adorable being the last scum has evaporated

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chennis posts #681 and #685 look scummy.

chennis says DDL would have been spared and I quoted a post of DDL's saying he didn't want to be spared and that #685 post of his he said why would they nightkill me if I am mislynch bait and I never said that. I said I'm pretty sure scum spared me so that they can use me as mislynch bait when it's only the spared players left that are playing. Elements and chennis have both been playing scummy in this day phase to the point when I can't even decide which one of them is now scum.

This is either narration or blatantly false

And this is posturing

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Fun fact

I gave elements a lot of room to maneuver a scumread on me

There's a lot from my D1 ISO to make up a scumread me for

I heavily implied at times that I was leaning Elements for the scum

He didn't even try to posture.

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like, no, ultimately, he is very unlikely to win a 1v1 with me

but same for adorable - now that i've removed some of her options and it looks like i'm going to be removing her options, she is preparing for the worst case scenario

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now that it looks like i'm going to be removing even more of her options, that is.

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if i voted elements i doubt hed start making up reasons to SR me

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I dont know what the point of the last post was and i have no idea how im supposed to TR that.

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also that game ethos sushi and i decided to collectively shit on our chances

to paint that as all me is pointless too.

it looks like youre trying to imply im the shit townie deathtunneling town but also leaving room to take advantage of momentum either way it goes

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also if you wanted to see how i typically play as town there are a ton of games more indicative of how i play

and the fact you never bothered to read my scumgame makes your metaing look... insincere

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I started scumreading you first

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The point is, I started to scum read you after some of your posts I did not like and it looked like you didn't even want to bother on figuring out more who is scum. I also noticed about your town play is you scum read a town player who scum reads you and the least you can do is interact more with players rather than ending the day phase so fast and that's why I can't figure out if you're scum or town.

mhm yup

because i start asking elements a bunch of stuff that's offputting to me in the spare PT but i am tunneled

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you do realize i spent a while leaning elements as the last scum?

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Chennisden has been focusing on wanting to spare players who are being town read and he even admitted he is okay sparing Elements instead of himself and that post of his looked towny. Chennisden has been active and if he was scum, I would think his scum buddy would also spare him right away and I haven't seen anyone doing that.

HEAL: chennisden

Looking at volxen's latest post quoting SS town read list, SS town reads DDL, Elements, chennis, and maybe me. Is chennis still a town read for SS? If he is then that should make Elements, me, and volxen also a town read since we were the ones who were leaning town on chennis on day 1 and I don't think scum would quickly heal town chennis on day 1 like that. Did SS town read on chennis all of a sudden change on day 3?

this feels like ur trying to get town to TR my wagon

oversoul didnt count because reasons and elements was already being TRed on his own. that leavese... you gamma and volxen. but gamma died.

whoever killed me was very fucking insistent about focusing ON MY WAGON and maybe elements is right about volxen/adorable, idk

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also i was MAJORLY concerned about a elements/somethingsmart team. i dont see how elements is really scum with anyone else

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elements looks like he's actually trying to solve the game.

you look like you're trying not to be lynched.

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I dont want to be spared. Too much pressure.

DDL said over here he did not want to be spared and the only players who slightly leaned town on him were me and SS. Elements saying DDL was in a position getting spared and I don't see any way how DDL was in any position of getting spared.

This is untrue

I was pretty sure he was town though he wasn't my preferential spare

Gamma thought DDL was town and DDL was his only other townread he voiced other than me

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See I don't think you'd be this scared of scum me unless you happen to think I can make everyone townread me on command but ALSO think I don't write my partner's posts to get them spared, like literally ever.

Like the only way you can be

this

scared of my scumgame is if you've seen me play scum before. But I don't think you've read my last scumgame because if you did you would've mentioned it.

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I've done some homework and think that elements could reasonably and convincingly argue that he cant magically get this good at scum and make people TR him on command

He hasn't made that argument

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elements you have never rolled scum right?

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ugh the volxen read feels so tmi though

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like, perhaps the plan was adorable deepwolves and presumably volxen maybe flips and like that's an avenue to push me, or to get me off balance at least.

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i am about ready to end the game tbh

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I don't know how good volxen's scumgame is now since the last few times I've read his scumgames he was hydraing (Starcraft, Chain of Command)

however yes this could be a legitimate strategy to let the weaker member deepwolf. i've seen it happen before (newbie 1935 reroll) and the "weaker member" turned out to play a very strong scumgame

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s_S about where are you at

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and do you have any thoughts in particular on adorable's recent posting

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Don't agree that mislynches aren't the fault of the player mislynched but I agree with the rest

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agreed that people who say "omg this was all ur fault" are just looking to blame someone else tbh.

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UNVOTE:

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He could just ask in scumchat if there is a double lynch though

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I still find this convenient how Elements post on day 2 looked like he was fishing for the pr and then Oversoul fake claims afterwards. On day 4 Oversoul wanted to spare himself but I refused to spare him because I did not town read him and it looked like he gave up on trying to spare himself and he ended up sparing me to make me look like his scum buddy so that I could get mislynched when it's just the spare players alive and on the spare chat Chemist was saying why was Oversoul asking about a double lynch and that was suspicious because it looked like Oversoul could be scum who wanted to make sure there was only 1 lynch and not 2 lynch. It looked like me getting spared was a setup.

this feels like an "o fuck i cant push chennis" moment

this is also very narratey

however this feels genuine at the very least?

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For example here your posts feel more analytical whereas in this game your posts feel narratey

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the "pr fishing" point is good but like

man

why not have literally anyone else do it

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his scum partner who was not deepwolf should've done the fishing

i dont think he was like, "yes i am consciously going to pr fish"

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What do y’all think about Over thinking there would be two lynches?

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this game is harder than i gave it credit for

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I just have to check oversoul elements and make sure thats not a thing.

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Nah it doesnt seem like a thjng.

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Why do you stop seeing me as possible scum when I unvote you, Adorable?

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Since both of you are tonally playing to your town meta I will write an essay on each of your agendas to sort yall

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s_s i would like you to share your thoughts because i think os/adorable does it

Idk I still think volxen was scum over Oversoul but I don't think that really matters.

If you're willing to bet the game on Elements being town, then I think going Adorable would make the most sense. I don't THINK this is your scumgame, and if it is then I'm gonna have some words with all the townies who insta-spared you D1.

Actually S_S has dismissed me being scum

It is just easier to call me town and have it be that.

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I mean my alignment is pretty obvious from the spare PT so

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1. you don't feel postury, your tone is genuine
2. because if you/oversoul is the scum team, you've been playing a clever badcop/goodcop game. you kill gamma for the early OS scumread and you kill DDL because he threatens your lategame positioning. and then you throw an adorable/volxen team to throw us off.

the problem with my pet theory is that SOMETHING SMART contributed to the adorable/volxen solve by first suggesting the volxen scum. and OS/S_S looked rly postury together ngl

Uh i think OS was planning on having S_S spared though. but that's really tinfoily

3. ill get back to you i dont rly have an answer. maybe early chennis spare but it was sorta inevitable at that point, deb was getting to it, S_S was probably gonna spare me, yadda yadda

4. she is more likely to make the gamma kill with oversoul. tone feels really fake and a lot of posts feel like damage control

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okay ill get more to elements scum equity and why i think its nonzero.

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i was gonna say oversoul and elements look like they were setting up goodcop badcop on something smart but then i realized that oversoul was also on the lolwagon, so that sort of kills that

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i dont think oversoul elements thinks of goodcop badcop that early and i dont think they wifom me to the point of pretending not to want to do that but then doing it.

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well we have 1 day, something smart.

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hammer at will.

VOTE: adorable

[chennisden]

nice.

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okay so um the volxen read from elements was so TMI and i should've caught on agh.

[chennisden]

Um I was tunneled like a dumbass all game. yeah im bad

[chennisden]

Ugh. I just think it was like near impossible to lynch Elements

But yeah this is my fault

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Whereas Volxen's last act would be sparing his scum partner.

Stuff like this. And your Volxen/Adorable solve

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Really WP though Elements. Volxen/elements also was not a very high equity team

[chennisden]

Agh I am 0/1 town in the specific span of time I chose haha

[chennisden]

See here's why Elements play ended up being so strong

I don't think I could've ended up voting you EVEN IF i found out you were scum

[chennisden]

Like, no it couldn't end up getting you lynched,

[chennisden]

I just never considered it to be quite honest

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Elements kind of diverted my focus from that.

[chennisden]

yeah the "4 questions" should've told me he was scum.

agh.

and also it's a little nice to see that scum's NK n1 was kinda determined by my play

[chennisden]

I think if like town, including myself, centered their game less around my slot, we could've won though.

[chennisden]

Just read the deadthread. Fun game all.

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Sorry for the tunnel Oversoul