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Radja Serial Thriller
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Only 3 people to vote for, this should be exciting!"I think mafia is the only thing that makes me angrier than driving" - Cheetory6-
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Radja Serial Thriller
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Malkon05 He/Him/HisMashtermindHe/Him/His
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Well this is not who I was hoping to have to kill. *had his bloodthirsty eye on one sonuvabitch*
But I’ll take it.
So I suppose to determine who I kill, I guess the most important question for me is: who will you make immune if I save you and why?
This is for both of you.Last edited by Malkon05 on Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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Malkon05 He/Him/HisMashtermindHe/Him/His
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In addition I have a second follow up since I know your time is wonky spang:
I can name specific events where Vash has played an incredible game, but I struggle to see what you have done to specifically deserve to be here other than being a perfect “number” for vash and xof. Despite a few attempts to work with you this game you really just didn’t talk much to me and the one time it seemed like you might I had just been voted out and you hadn’t realized it yet so like... what game awareness do you have and what have you done that isn’t just other people telling you what to do?
Jury perception is gonna be huge and you...well...don’t have a lot of time to change it. Why would me saving you make you an interesting person against 5 other people who I can attribute game moves to and wouldn’t vote them over you because you...were there? I’m just trying to figure out how you plan to win and am trying to help you prep for a phase of the game you really don’t yet seem prepped for...view this as a warm up to what jury might be like and use it as an opportunity if you can-
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Malkon05 He/Him/HisMashtermindHe/Him/His
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Vash I don’t really have much other than the who you choose to save. I don’t really have any beef with you this game and I think we both mutually understood it was me or you going last round even though we had our “let’s pretend for the 5th time to work together” talk.
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VashtaNeurotic He/HimBullet TrainerHe/Him
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I mean honestly, 95% chance I give it to DV, like probably even higher than that. But I'd at least see if there is a pitch from Meme for why he deserves immunity. It would have to be a damn good one but like, he at least deserves that.In post 332, Malkon05 wrote:Vash I don’t really have much other than the who you choose to save. I don’t really have any beef with you this game and I think we both mutually understood it was me or you going last round even though we had our “let’s pretend for the 5th time to work together” talk.
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KittyMo Too Sparkly
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I'm glad you get a last hurrah Malkon. You are missedAlt of Ariel | MafiaScum wiki volunteer contributor & sysop | Identity (Mish Mash) is back | Speakeasy Secret Santa
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I think my greatest defence is what you have not seen me doing; if you saw someone doing something this game while you were still alive, it doesn’t really deserve to be accoladed because if you know that someone’s doing something while you’re alive, you can counter it; knowledge is power and if you know someone’s exploits while they’re doing them... you have power over them. If you’ve known what Vash was doing while he was doing it — or even somewhat after — I wonder that he’s still alive, in fact.
I might argue that many of Vash and xof’s exploits were not just theirs but mine; myself and xof and FF and Chemist were actually a four-person group behind a 9 person ‘T’ group early in the game, and we organised the deaths of a fair few people. You may not have directly seen my hand in some things; I consider that a plus. At one point people clearly saw ‘our’ hand in something — Haschel’s death, I think — and perceived it as xof’s... and xof is dead. Again — I wonder that Vash is not.
I don’t know what it is that you think Vash has done that is ‘incredible play’, and I can’t think of an incident where I was not involved, through plan-making or vote-gathering. I might argue that if you saw an incredible play this game, it may not have been Vash’s, but the fact that, if it is his, you know it is, might be easily be counted a point against him.
I don’t think that the accusation that my game awareness is bad is... worth considering, really, as valid; everyone alive at this point has had attempts on their ‘life’, as it were. That’s... not really something worth considering. ‘Twas not merely Vash and xof who made the plans.
We’ve talked this game; to say we haven’t ain’t true. Not terribly much, but time zones are weird, weird things, and to be honest I hadn’t really considered you someone I could trust much; me and xof kept talking about you potentially doing somethin’ funky and killing her... and then it happened.
As to immunity, I’d probably give it to DV; really no matter which way he gives it there’s someone properly worth killing in the gamestate and someone also worth saving. I don’t think Meme would give it my way, and that benefit is fairly temporary anyway, whereas DV is someone I’d like in the F4, and, if I were to die, would prefer to reach there. What he’s done so far... has been a lot. Alot. Much like myself, you may not have seen him in places, doing things, but he’s been extremely involved this game, let’s just say.-
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Malkon05 He/Him/HisMashtermindHe/Him/His
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I refuse to go into detail on this matter, I do not wish to cut down the game of an ally whether or not my death is on the line. Still I'll humor you with an extremely tepid answer. I do feel that his claims are overblown and I can think of examples why, but that being said, I do feel that a lot of the negatives against spangled's game must be contextualized over well, him being in a different time zone from most of the game among other factors. Also it could very well be that he is working on things that I am unaware of and I certainly am not an expert on a lot of his early game.In post 336, Malkon05 wrote:Alright then spangled: name me a specific move you made independently or that you specifically drove.
Vash: is there validity to what spangled is saying or is it mostly hot air?
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My claims were probably a wee bit overblown, to be fair, and were unfair to Vash; I think I started playing scum there for a second — theatrical and with the little white lies ever-present. It’s difficult being allies during the game because I’dliketo say we’ve made a few decisions together, or through xof (as it were). It... is true that Vash has done more than me, and probably deserves to live more. I could say that this has been down to timezones, but I think Vash has put more effort in regardless.
I know I’ve donesomethingthis game, but it’d be cruel to make me trawl through discord logs if you’re just going to give it to Vash
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Malkon05 He/Him/HisMashtermindHe/Him/His
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And to be more clear, I want you to just tell me one specific person you got out or a vote you cast that altered something about this game independently of anyone else.
I don’t need your whole game, just one decision you made or vote you cast that was outside of your alliances or that someone else didn’t suggest to you before hand.
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Malkon05 He/Him/HisMashtermindHe/Him/His
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As much as I appreciate this KMO, I want Spangled to tell me in his own words what he did. He has a little under 4 hours to do so. I want Spangled to play his own game, not someone else's.In post 344, KittyMo wrote:Based on what I have been told it is accurate that he first brought up haschel's name in the elusive 9 chat that round and that was the first in a chain of events leading to haschel's death but whether that makes Haschel dying his move is a more nuanced question-
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