Mini Theme 2105: Assassins Mafia (Game Over!)

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: tris

zzz

are there any actual objections to this dying

hi can everyone say their tris read

when they see this at the top of the page

everyone in the game


also gun to the head abu is w for crappy meta reasons that might not even be that reliable anymore

[TrueSoulEnergy]

This chapter of the game is where I became concerned with the NaCl slot, and he hasn't accomplished anything or gained any town equity since. The way NaCl asked about the LA read looked ugly force fake pretend-work posturing. NaCl's push on LA seemed ridiculously emptyhearted. Then NaCl's nullread on me is fishy, I posted about that. It's not typical for people to nullread me, so it doesn't seem like an organic outcome.

Looking at this post, NaCl said LA is S/S with everyone, yet also said if LA flips scum then I'm scum. That's pretty cognitive dissonant.

Lots of his posting lacks authenticity.

I didn't say that LA was S/S with everyone, it was more that I felt she had a bunch of interactions I thought were S/S at the time. And I found that you were the most suspicious as you jumped on me right after with no real case other than "LA is town".

I didn't really say what I found suspicious about LA because I kind of like making people ask me and see what they care about or who they're focusing on, but this is what I didn't like about her at the time.
1. In 53, LA says that she didn't find Pine's entrance scummy, which bothers me.
2. Dunnstral uses one of his few posts to offer a vague defense of LA (Although I find him generally vague)
3. I was kind of suspicious of unwnd having LA on the higher side of things despite few posts.
4. I think there might have been something else, but I can't really remember.

Anyways, since TSE has replaced in, I've changed my mind. It's because of something Dunnstral said, although I don't want to reveal it just yet. Hopefully I'm not misunderstanding things, I wound up assuming he was a completely different role in Zero Escape. But this time I think I might have a better read on his mind.

1: I'm not going to claim my results as I see no way in which it helps anything but scum. Suck my dick. I definitely got a result though.
2: I'm pretty sure Abu is town and pops and DNS are scum.
3: good news I'm about to go on vacation so I'm not going to actively be reading v much
4: A free vig on me would probably help town so I'm hoping this is what happens. My assassin target

Creature

died overnight.

VOTE: Definitely Not Scum

Results would be nice, do you have anyone you would trust to understand them?

Shadoweh, why do you think that there would be 2 scum in the neighbourhood?
And another question, what was the point in saying your target now?

Agree about Abu. Think if NaCL somehow happens to be wrong then Dunn can be deepwolf but not gonna deal with that rn

I'd like to talk to you more about this NaCL read. What is the genesis of this read?

Pops, I would like the same analysis re: Abu

- OS

Just seems to fit in my mind. I've written paragraphs about a few people and I could selectively decide to compare the two in ways that point to similar behavior but then I'd be repeating myself. We have a fresh day on some new flips and once I live past D1 (lynched/killed) I like to start thinking about the exact reason for why wagons form. It's not exactly some new strategy, but it personally engages me. In D1, NaCL never really showed any gumption and I found a lot of his presence to be listless. I think he begs to have a greater impresssion on others but ultimately does nothing with it if that makes sense? If I can recall correctly, his bitbringer reasoning was kinda just like 'ok whatever' and just copying the consensus going around. I think in terms of how bitbringer happen and the idea of being scum it would be the person who would feign indifference in the moment of suspicion.

I agree, my bitbringer reason was pretty lackluster. I'd been scumreading LA the entire time, but at that point, I started thinking TSE was town. I didn't really have any strong feelings right then (I kind of think pops is scum, but didn't think it would go through at the time), and kind of preferred Bitbringer to Shadoweh.


VOTE: Pops
She feels like she's been going after me for forced reasons, pretty much tunneling me without putting any real effort behind it yesterday, and staying off the main wagons. Also, the case on Shadoweh feels weird. I don't see the issue with target-claiming if you feel like you're going to be lynched. It gives you more information, and you can choose to reveal the penalty to the town or not--like, literally the only case it can hurt your wincon is if you become a neutral survivor. I get that it's not necessarily town-beneficial only (mafia would probably benefit more), but I don't see why it's not something that can be from town. I do find it strange that Shadoweh said it now, rather than later.

I can sheep this tbh. VOTE: Pops[/quote]

I’m hesitant to vote NaCL now.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And just in case that mess up counted

VOTE: Shadow

Just so your aware my votes still on this guy!

[Dunnstral]

And tbh I was hoping I'd be modvigged but unfortunately claiming target doesn't do that. (definitely do not do it)

What did you think would happen if you told us who someone else's target is with your ability?

I already told you, nothing happens. If I tell someone else's target that I copped they get to have their target known scott free.
Didn't I already clarify this to you yesterday? :igmeou:

Based on I think they're scummy and I think they're jumping on Abu as an easy mislynch because that's what they're doing with me.

I don't remember you saying this before, is this information included with your ability? How do you know that

[Dunnstral]

It probably helps to know who is trying to lynch because they want a role and who is trying to lynch for no eventual discernable reason. Do you have a particular reason to think scum benefits from knowing people's targets either?

1: I'm not going to claim my results as I see no way in which it helps anything but scum. Suck my dick. I definitely got a result though.

Also, you're making abrupt 180's on your stances here, or am I misunderstanding something?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It probably helps to know who is trying to lynch because they want a role and who is trying to lynch for no eventual discernable reason. Do you have a particular reason to think scum benefits from knowing people's targets either?

1: I'm not going to claim my results as I see no way in which it helps anything but scum. Suck my dick. I definitely got a result though.

Also, you're making abrupt 180's on your stances here, or am I misunderstanding something?

TBH the reason I’m voting him is souley because I could fuck up scum if he’s lynched.
If he flips scum then scum is even more fucked.

so in a way it’s a win/win.

Look my point being that Shadow is a lynch that benefits town regardless of alignment.
Any Lynch that can benefit town and/or help solve regardless of flip is the best Lynch to ever make.
As my mafia experience I know this as a fact.

If Shadow isn’t the Lynch today and we miss Lynch.
Town will just keep getting fucked.
Look I don’t want to hard Claim or anything but you all need to trust me that lynching Shadow here is the best course of action.

Please Town. Please listen to me for once.

[Shadoweh]

And tbh I was hoping I'd be modvigged but unfortunately claiming target doesn't do that. (definitely do not do it)

What did you think would happen if you told us who someone else's target is with your ability?

I already told you, nothing happens. If I tell someone else's target that I copped they get to have their target known scott free.
Didn't I already clarify this to you yesterday?

Based on I think they're scummy and I think they're jumping on Abu as an easy mislynch because that's what they're doing with me.

I don't remember you saying this before, is this information included with your ability? How do you know that

Well that's probably okay tbh, she told me role-related target claims was fine

Seriously I pointed this out repeatedly yesterday, if you're in a QT with the other two people who questioned me about this why are you acting so oblivious to it? They must have discussed it overnight? Since they are literally obsessed with murdering me.

I suppose DNS and pops confirming each other's biases overnight that I'm Satan would explain why they seem informed and weird. Getting false positives because town are legit coming in with an overnight talked out agenda is a thing. I dunno the one-mindedness of it is still suspicious and DNS particularily triggers me for not seeming to consider anything else.

Abu isn't like, an experienced lurker though, he's new and new players can get mistaken as lurkers when they don't know how to post and are anxious. I just see people pointing at him as pointing at the weird thing, not the scummy thing.

TSE literally fuck off, you pretty much just slipped you're trying to lynch me because I'm your lyncher target. (You should stop hinting this in any capacity.)

[Shadoweh]

It probably helps to know who is trying to lynch because they want a role and who is trying to lynch for no eventual discernable reason. Do you have a particular reason to think scum benefits from knowing people's targets either?

1: I'm not going to claim my results as I see no way in which it helps anything but scum. Suck my dick. I definitely got a result though.

Also, you're making abrupt 180's on your stances here, or am I misunderstanding something?

I'm pretty sure with context I investigated town and I don't want to out them as a pr/not a pr one way or the other.

[Definitely Not Scum]

Shadoweh, what do you think is the ideal way to use your role? Also, are you saying the mafia nightkill doesn’t activate an upgrade?

- OS

[NaCl]

VOTE: tris

zzz

are there any actual objections to this dying

hi can everyone say their tris read

when they see this at the top of the page

everyone in the game


also gun to the head abu is w for crappy meta reasons that might not even be that reliable anymore

I slightly think tris is town, but I don't really have strong feelings on her one way or the other.

Also, UNVOTE: .

I think I've spotted something from Shadoweh that means she and Pops aren't a scumteam. It's reasonable that one of them might be, but I think if one flips scum it will confirm the other as town.
Also, the other 2 people in the neighbourhood are pretty much certainly town. If pops is town, then all lynches should go outside the neighbourhood and Shadoweh's scum, probably TSE scum.

If there is scum in the neighbourhood (probably pops), then TSE and Shadoweh are town.

I really hope I'm not misunderstanding things here, though.

I'm also kind of worried about Abu because I feel like he could be WKing me, so I could lynch there. I want to sort out pops and Shadoweh but I'm not quite sure how to get the type of reaction that would inform me. I'll go look through Shadoweh's posts later.

[sheepsaysmeep]

I slightly think tris is town

why?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Do one Reads my post. MK I see how it is.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

No one*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wait Shadow told me to fuck off.
I guess that’s something.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Do one Reads my post. MK I see how it is.

i read it


it had no impact on me

[unwnd]

wnd I don't think you have an agenda but I think your stance on abu's slot is dumbwrong

I just like posting alternatives to see what others say--when it comes to lynching him I certainly wouldn't cry over it

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: tris

zzz

are there any actual objections to this dying

hi can everyone say their tris read

when they see this at the top of the page

everyone in the game


also gun to the head abu is w for crappy meta reasons that might not even be that reliable anymore

I slightly think tris is town, but I don't really have strong feelings on her one way or the other.

Also, UNVOTE: .

I think I've spotted something from Shadoweh that means she and Pops aren't a scumteam. It's reasonable that one of them might be, but I think if one flips scum it will confirm the other as town.
Also, the other 2 people in the neighbourhood are pretty much certainly town. If pops is town, then all lynches should go outside the neighbourhood and Shadoweh's scum, probably TSE scum.

If there is scum in the neighbourhood (probably pops), then TSE and Shadoweh are town.

I really hope I'm not misunderstanding things here, though.

I'm also kind of worried about Abu because I feel like he could be WKing me, so I could lynch there. I want to sort out pops and Shadoweh but I'm not quite sure how to get the type of reaction that would inform me. I'll go look through Shadoweh's posts later.

Shadow can still easily be mafia.
What makes you Lock Town Him if someone in the Neighbourhood is Mafia?

[AbuHumaid]

Actually...
VOTE: TSE
I'm gonna stick to my initial scumread.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Actually...
VOTE: TSE
I'm gonna stick to my initial scumread.

Why do you scum read me again?

And why do people always view me as annoying. :l.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Unwnd

I can't read NACL, I don't wanto to lynch abu or shadow

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Unwnd

I can't read NACL, I don't wanto to lynch abu or shadow

Why Unwnd?
Do you Town read Sheep as well?

[Shadoweh]

Shadoweh, what do you think is the ideal way to use your role? Also, are you saying the mafia nightkill doesn’t activate an upgrade?

- OS

Can you read the main rules for the game before you ask me any more dumb questions?

Dunn, can you answer my question? Did you just not notice pops and DNS talking about me or something?

[tris]

i still want pops to explain why she townreads me.

[tris]

VOTE: NaCl

[NaCl]

I slightly think tris is town

why?

Because she feels more disengaged than manipulative. I don't really see what she's done to be scummy.


VOTE: Shadoweh, I think I got the reaction I wanted.
Dunnstral, I don't know if you can tell what I'm thinking, but there was a certain piece of info that I'd like to reveal in order to make my case on her. May I reveal what I suspect is the case? But essentially I feel like she slipped up in one post and is overcompensating now.

It also probably means there's scum in the neighbourhood.
TSE, I'll explain in a bit. I don't really intend to keep this hidden much longer, and I plan to reveal what I'm hiding before the end of the game day. But I just want to check so that I'm not interfering with some of my townreads' plans.