Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

[chennisden]

You hand-wave logical points against yurkin with "oh but Alch is scum, so ignore"

There is no logical point against yurkin. The only point against him is that his posting slowed down after he was vanillaized. So did most everyone.

How about the really weird vote

[chennisden]

What was Yurkin before they were vanillized? What were you before you were vanillized, Drew?

Yurkin was double voter.

I was 1 shot bulletproof.

Alright, here's the result.

Alch has a guilty on Drew allegedly.

Unless it is from the hood with Gamma.....he is lying.

Drew claimed vanillaized before the guilty.

Alch asked if vanillaized players retained PTs. The mod said yes. If you didn't think Drew was vanillaized, there would be zero need to ask.

Oh is that true?

That's a hard scumslip then why didnt you say this sooner

VOTE: alch

[chennisden]

O seems theres some confusion

UNVOTE: for now, hopefully stuff os clarified

[Alchemist21]

Drew claimed Vanillaized shortly before I told Titus I had a guilty in our hood.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: JJH

I think this is the play today.

[Alchemist21]

That prompted me to double check my result by asking 2 things:

Do vanillaized players keep their Neighborhood PTs? (Yes)

Do players with a neighborhood with the other neighbor dead still count as being able to communicate outside the game thread? (No)

[gobbledygook]

JJH, what is your professional opinion about Alchemist’s claim/Drew’s claim? You claimed you were the best person to evaluate fake claims earlier this game.

It's an annoying position to be in on Alch's because I don't have the specifics. If I had to make a judgment independent of Drew's claim, I would probably lean towards it being a lie but I wouldn't be confident enough to stake my reputation on it.

Whereas Drew's claim looks absolutely like a fakeclaim to me. For a start, that's deathproof, not bulletproof. Drew has misunderstood what bulletproof meant, and then doubled down on it. I think it's far more likely that Drew has a role like godfather or strongman.

I think there was another thing about Drew's claim where he tried to argue that scum vanillaised him in order to mislynch him, which would require them to know his role if it was true

Has Drew done any searching for a scum rolecop

These are interesting posts to me. These posts heavily imply that JJH does not believe Drew's claim. He expresses doubt about Alchemist's claim, but JJH expresses much stronger skepticism and doubt about Drew's claim. This is problematic for two reasons. First, it is fencesitting between the two claims. Second, it does not track with his earlier statement that he is ready to lynch Alchemist.

[jjh927]

Gobble, you aren't thinking very hard

[jjh927]

Maybe you're scum after all

which makes me happier to
VOTE: Alchemist
again

[gobbledygook]

If Drew is scum, it makes sense that JJH did not act last night. It would be because JJH is the vanillalizer and they needed to setup this fakeclaim for Drew.

[jjh927]

If I am scum then Alchemist is scum because he was L-1 and I posted

[gobbledygook]

Titus, please unvote so we can discuss this development.

[gobbledygook]

Alchemist has never been at L-1. Titus was lying about that.

[Blatant Scum]

He was L-1 like 2x?

[jjh927]

You literally L-1ed him

[gobbledygook]

I think he's been at L-2 both times. I could be wrong.

[jjh927]

You are wrong

[Blatant Scum]

If I am scum then Alchemist is scum because he was L-1 and I posted

So lets lynch you 1st!

Spoiler:

don't do it

[gobbledygook]

It would appear I was wrong this entire time. I thought it was 7 to lynch this entire day for some reason.

[chennisden]

Nice

[gobbledygook]

Hmm, I was so sure about that JJH connection. Back to the drawing board.

If Alchemist is scum, I would say that Creature is scum for it.

[gobbledygook]

If he was town he definitely would have been hammered I think. Huh.

[chennisden]

screw it.

VOTE: alch

[chennisden]

i take no responsibility for this game anymore

[gobbledygook]

That’s hammer so good luck us?