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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:41 pm

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In post 72, Pine wrote:I think you and I are more or less on the same page, just using different words?
I suppose. That's how about 50% of my conversations go, anyway :P

My point is just that the doc isn't special, it's just vulnerable to being accidentally outed, and so we should do everything in our power to avoid that.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:42 pm

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In post 75, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 72, Pine wrote:I think you and I are more or less on the same page, just using different words?
I suppose. That's how about 50% of my conversations go, anyway :P

My point is just that the doc isn't special, it's just vulnerable to being accidentally outed, and so we should do everything in our power to avoid that.
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And we accomplish this by not outing any more hoods.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:42 pm

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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:44 pm

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whats ur 2 cents on titus krazy
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:53 pm

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In post 74, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 71, Pine wrote:
In post 67, OkaPoka wrote:I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan
Because nuance, OkaPoka. S_S’s plan is where we should start, until we decide we want to blow the setup open.

Titus’s plan is bad for D1, but has merit later in the game
okay but claiming d2/d3 although still suboptimal is not titus's plan

like i feel like your are giving credit to titus when she deserves none
I think you’re ascribing malice to what is more likely carelessness. I’m not giving any credit to Titus beyond pointing out that the Doc could be used as an IC, an important note that I didn’t even think of until she suggested it
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:57 pm

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In post 45, Pine wrote:Indecisive Doc is a weak role, and Phone Operator is almost meaningless except to catch obvious lies...which is also pretty meaningless.

A D2 or D3 Innocent Child, however, is very strong.
Yeah phone operator is named mod-confirmed town who can, on a very low chance, find the doctor and thus can gate lynches to protect the doc, leading to ic-->hidden IC on d2-3.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:57 pm

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In post 50, Something_Smart wrote:This happens anyway though, if we force whoever we lynch to out their neighbor before they die.
but when does town ever play optimally, ss? :P
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:00 pm

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Oh snap.

Now I get it. There’s only one Phone Operator, we know they’re Town, so a non-cced Phone Operator is functionally another IC.

I feel like we should stop any voting and claiming and whatnot and actually discuss this setup. It might be semi-breakable.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:01 pm

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Okay someone do math if we have a guaranteed lunch win order
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:03 pm

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In post 78, OkaPoka wrote:whats ur 2 cents on titus krazy
She's town but we should be sticking to "strategy A" until there's a town consensus to switch to "strategy B"

Strategy A: Hoods aren't revealed until L-1 with intent to protect the doc
Strategy B: All hoods are revealed to guarantee the production of ICs upon redflips

We can always switch to B, but we can't go back to A once we go B.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:03 pm

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In post 81, Krazy wrote:but when does town ever play optimally, ss? :P
I'll keep leading the horses to water. Sooner or later one of them is bound to take a drink.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:04 pm

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In post 82, Pine wrote:I feel like we should stop any voting and claiming and whatnot and actually discuss this setup. It might be semi-breakable.
Probably not. Did you have anything in mind?
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:05 pm

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In post 81, Krazy wrote:
In post 50, Something_Smart wrote:This happens anyway though, if we force whoever we lynch to out their neighbor before they die.
but when does town ever play optimally, ss? :P
Right the fuck now, when every single one of us has three voices of reason in our heads.

I propose each and every one of us engage our partners in breaking this setup. 12 Town players x 4 person teams, that’s 48 Town minds to a mere dozen scumzors. We can solve this mechanically
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:05 pm

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Also, Jingle would like you to know that this setup is definitely not breakable because if it were then he would be playing in it instead of me. :lol:
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:06 pm

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I have three voices in my head. Can't guarantee that any of them are of reason :P
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:06 pm

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In post 86, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 82, Pine wrote:I feel like we should stop any voting and claiming and whatnot and actually discuss this setup. It might be semi-breakable.
Probably not. Did you have anything in mind?
Right this minute I’m not sure. At my in-laws watching a very good movie. This is the sort of thing I need a legal pad, some coffee, and an hour to really explore.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:07 pm

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I’m going to go out on a limb and say S_S is Town here, which means Jingle et al are as well. Hi Jingle et al!
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:12 pm

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Eh I don't think this setup is breakable

It just has very townsided balance
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:15 pm

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I don't think the entire Team Mafia pick a setup easily breakable to give to us.

We just gotta be smart.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:18 pm

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So Elsa, what's your verdict on Frozen 2?
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:21 pm

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:dead: Works for me. I wanted to stay the fuck away from White Flag because it’s got a 75%+ scum winrate, so I’ll take a Townsided setup in its place.

Just because it’s probably +Town EV doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed, we need to do our due diligence

PE: this is a new setup suggested by someone after the process began (I forget who). It hasn’t been stress-tested
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:21 pm

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In post 95, Pine wrote::dead: Works for me. I wanted to stay the fuck away from White Flag because it’s got a 75%+ scum winrate, so I’ll take a Townsided setup in its place.

Just because it’s probably +Town EV doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed, we need to do our due diligence

PE: this is a new setup suggested by someone after the process began (I forget who). It hasn’t been stress-tested
The fuck did that skull come from.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:22 pm

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Krazy wrote:So Elsa, what's your verdict on Frozen 2?
Jammin.

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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:27 pm

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actually there is literally no reason to ever massclaim dude unless you are looking for team solves/ruling out partners

just claim at intent or nk
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:28 pm

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bc we start with two clears and we can at most clear one slot a day assuming we get a scum flip so

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