Micro 909: 09:12 (Game Over!)

[emps]

im still not quite sure how this setup works tbh

[emps]

honestly like theres a 0% chance that i dont get lynched today so like

[emps]

uncrowned should claim his target for n2 beforehand just in case its babysitter/roleblocker/maf rolecop and the mafia end up hittting babysitter

[emps]

i mean its optimal just to claim n2 action in any situation here i think

[emps]

if we hit scum today and uncr dies we still know that theyre cleared

[emps]

ehhhhh why am i even acting like im not gonna be the lynch today

[AaronFrost]

Actually you know what go right ahead and mislynch me

VOTE: menalque

Anyone who’s town is not playing well bar uncrowned

Dude no one is even considering lynching you today. We're lynching emps.

Stop this.

[AaronFrost]

Why do you think he's Emps' partner here? What about his play has said that? You're putting the onus on him, which seems like you're trying to make him sound defensive.

BP

Does his posting not seem defensive to you? Literally all of Day 2 he's been in defense mode over me and HH suggesting that him and emps could be a team.

[Uncrowned]

I am roleblocking one of HH and Mena most likely (sorry, TW). When I decide, I'll make a hammer vote and state who I'm doing.

The benefit for blocking Mena would be he'd be cleared, unless there's strongman.

The benefit (imo) of blocking HH is there's a higher chance to win the game, since I think he's more likely to be scum here.

I don't really agree with the Mena reads here. I could be hard defending scum right now but I'm not really seeing what the rest of you are seeing, nor has anyone really bothered to explain to me why they think he's scum.

[AaronFrost]

Ok caught up. Mena's been townie all game to me. I'm really not seeing what other folks are talking about. Btw, this is L-2. Not sure what Aaron was talking about.

HH, me and duck were all voting for emps when I unvoted.

I'm confused how you're seeing Mena town here. The only thing that's making me reconsider is that this reminds me of Day 2 of PYP where nomx3 got super defeatist because of my push on her and she flipped town.

[AaronFrost]

Ok caught up. Mena's been townie all game to me. I'm really not seeing what other folks are talking about. Btw, this is L-2. Not sure what Aaron was talking about.

HH, me and duck were all voting for emps when I unvoted.

I'm confused how you're seeing Mena town here. The only thing that's making me reconsider is that this reminds me of Day 2 of PYP where nomx3 got super defeatist because of my push on her and she flipped town.

Oh it's 5 votes to lynch and not 4



I'm an idiot

I'm used to Day 2 of a 9 player game having 7 people left

[Alduskkel]

I mean i guess it's not terrible since i can at the least clear someone and you guys go into d3 worst case scenario with 2 confirmed townies. From there it's PoE

if emps is scum I kinda doubt he's strongman so I'm not sure if confirming someone is a super viable thought. I know, I know. But it kinda dawned on me that you're likely to be strongman shot tonight if there is one and isn't emps

What makes you think emps is more likely to be a Goon than a scum PR?

the fact that he made the nk, mostly

the mafia PRs can do both tho

emps who do you think is scum

if you’re really town then we’ll be in a tight spot tomorrow (unless there’s a second no death night) so you should be motivated to get ur reads out and stuff

[AaronFrost]

I don't really agree with the Mena reads here. I could be hard defending scum right now but I'm not really seeing what the rest of you are seeing, nor has anyone really bothered to explain to me why they think he's scum.

His approach to this entire day and the way he immediately went to defense mode when people suggested him and emps as a team. I'm having a really hard time seeing how it comes from town.

You're mechanically conf town though and given that I am apparently your strongest town read I need to you tell me what you're seeing in town Mena here. Figuring out Mena's alignment is important to solving this game imo.

LAMIST you can answer that too. Why is Mena town?

[Uncrowned]

I have notes. Whenever I go on my PC I'll do a case.

The defensiveness is a good point though. The thing is, if he's scum and he knows HH is town, then getting into a conflict with HH like he is here, wven if he wins for one night, will lead to him losing anyway. Could you see Mena really pushing that hard just to lose one day later, or do you think this could be coming from frustrated town that doesn't want to let who he thinks is scummy slip away?

[Alduskkel]

I didn’t want to say anything until AF or tw said why they suspected Menalque but with how upset he is it gives me the impression that he’s scum with emps and that he’s upset because of the game falling apart for scum but he has to act upset about something else

like if Menalque is town then from his perspective there are two likely scenarios
1. emps flips scum and then we lynch Menalque who flips town, but we still have another lynch (maybe two) and maybe a conftown as well. not ideal but if I were town!Menalque I’d still be thinking my faction has a decent chance to win
2. emps flips town and then people scumreading Menalque have to reconsider their reads since part of the suspicion on him is due to thinking he’s scum with emps. in this case if I were town!Menalque then I’d be holding out hope that people’s reads would change on me after a town!emps flip

so Menalque’s level of upsetness doesn’t really make sense as town unless he thinks not only will emps flip town but also he (Menalque) will get lynched afterwards and cause town to lose

but it does make sense if Menalque is scum and is upset because he feels screwed over by the setup or just hopeless about his chances of winning

I mean maybe I’m underestimating town!Menalque’s emotionality but it seems weird that he got this upset in just a few pages when his faction is gonna be in a good position

[the worst]

can we plynch mena

[AaronFrost]

I have notes. Whenever I go on my PC I'll do a case.

The defensiveness is a good point though. The thing is, if he's scum and he knows HH is town, then getting into a conflict with HH like he is here, wven if he wins for one night, will lead to him losing anyway. Could you see Mena really pushing that hard just to lose one day later, or do you think this could be coming from frustrated town that doesn't want to let who he thinks is scummy slip away?

I could see it being frustrated town definitely but in this post he's trying to claim that I'm somehow setting up a 1v1 between him and HH and I don't have a clue where he's getting that from.

It goes beyond the point of misrepping to just straight up grasping at straws.

[Alduskkel]

can we plynch mena

is “plynch” supposed to mean “lynch,” “please lynch,” or “policy lynch”?

[Alduskkel]

also tw what do you think of uncrowned and LAMIST townreading Menalque? If emps flipped town would you still scumread him?

[JJJ]

Yeah mena is probably the partner tbh, this is completely on par with how he would react as scum.

-X

Do you have experience with scum!Mena?

BP

yeah
-X

[JJJ]

I honestly dgaf rn

There’s minimum 1 and probably 2 town insisting on misreading me rn and I cbf to deos with it

HH is gonna hide behind their hydra and claim “oh you’re just like when I caught you as sucm” or whatever bullshit they’re on

not really, I'm just saying I don't care about your self-meta bs
-X

[JJJ]

can we plynch mena

tomorrow

[JJJ]

I didn’t want to say anything until AF or tw said why they suspected Menalque but with how upset he is it gives me the impression that he’s scum with emps and that he’s upset because of the game falling apart for scum but he has to act upset about something else

like if Menalque is town then from his perspective there are two likely scenarios
1. emps flips scum and then we lynch Menalque who flips town, but we still have another lynch (maybe two) and maybe a conftown as well. not ideal but if I were town!Menalque I’d still be thinking my faction has a decent chance to win
2. emps flips town and then people scumreading Menalque have to reconsider their reads since part of the suspicion on him is due to thinking he’s scum with emps. in this case if I were town!Menalque then I’d be holding out hope that people’s reads would change on me after a town!emps flip

so Menalque’s level of upsetness doesn’t really make sense as town unless he thinks not only will emps flip town but also he (Menalque) will get lynched afterwards and cause town to lose

but it does make sense if Menalque is scum and is upset because he feels screwed over by the setup or just hopeless about his chances of winning

I mean maybe I’m underestimating town!Menalque’s emotionality but it seems weird that he got this upset in just a few pages when his faction is gonna be in a good position

In the scum game I've seen from him he went super tryhard wallposting trying to discredit me and AtE'ing out the fucking ass (quite literally the hardest I've seen any player do it). In a sense I see a lot of the same things here. Definitely not 1:1 but tonally it's pretty damn close. pretty sure it's all just a ploy with the intent to make town feel too stupid/guilty to lynch him.

I wish I felt strongly enough to say I'm fine with being lynched next after a red!emps flip as long as mena is after me, but I still think it's too risky for all that. I am disappointed that people are calling me scummy and largely ignoring the things I've said about mena like he is. But it is what it is and I wouldn't fight my lynch too hard because I've already said enough to feel content that it's not my fault if I get mislynched
-X

[JJJ]

Ok caught up. Mena's been townie all game to me. I'm really not seeing what other folks are talking about. Btw, this is L-2. Not sure what Aaron was talking about.

HH, me and duck were all voting for emps when I unvoted.

I honestly forgot about that. But it's still points in my favor. mena keeps talking about his (vanity) voting emps at the end of D1 like it's some huge deal because of a trust tell that I don't have enough experience with him to confirm or deny, but I first voted him and stuck through the vote even when a wagon formed. If I'm really that LHF to any scum pushing me, or if it's all town deluding themselves into believing I have higher scum equity for anything emps/chemist related then I just don't know what to say other than you're not reading me fairly.

-X

[Uncrowned]

I think he was talking about the votes on Emps today lol