Everything Is Still A Lie v2 [Canceled]

[Rautherdir]

^ Basically, I was saying that since there aren't enough scum-reads to create a town-motivation for the Trial, the Trial was probably scum-motivated, which would make Minstrel more likely to be town. I then realized that isn't necessarily true, because they might have picked someone at random.

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I agree that the trial was a waste. It did get us out of RVS but it could have been a lot more effective. Maybe next time don't use an ability like that right out of the gate.

p-edit 2
Why yes. I did in fact say that. Thank you for agreeing with me.

[ObviousScum]

if you’re all going to say you’re gonna inno him, this trial is a waste. Pressure him, the point of a trial is wasted if we just absolve people for being voted day one.

I agree that the trial was a waste.

if that's agreement I wonder what a disagreement would look like

[Rautherdir]

Since when is ending a day less then 24 irl hours in good for town? Please tell me that. I have a light-town read on minstrel because why in the world would multiple people have a scum read on a slot less then 24 hours after the game began.

p-edit

Ah. So, you picked someone random then. I guess that shifts it to a null-read on Minstrel? Or a not-cult read.

p-edit 2
Jester lynch wouldn't have ended the game and a Jester lynch would have been a not-me lynch, so yeah.

I stated that my reason for light-town-reading Minstrel was because I assumed scum had orchestrated the Trial.

yeah, except it's multiball,

so all this trial tells us is that the slot is probably not cult. That doesn't make the slot town.

(Emphasis added be me)
This is the agreement. You agreeing with me that this makes Minstrel not-cult, and otherwise null.

[TrueSoulHustler]

i assume trial ends day, thus they shouldnt be guilty voted ever
if it does end day im taking guilty votes as a scum claim tbh

-mm

[insomnia]

And, no, I haven’t put our friend Minstrel on trial today.

Holy shit I’m actually getting Deja-Vus about this and I remember Hectic will fight me on his main itt, and that he will be inno’d some day over the night where I can’t check shit and I’ll be really disappointed

[insomnia]

What if the day ends even if we conclude he’s not guilty? Hmmmm

[TrueSoulHustler]

Why do you believe long day 1s are pro-town?

discussion = town advantage

-mm

[insomnia]

Information overload is a thing and it’s against the town.

Let minstrel defend himself instead of you defending him.

[insomnia]

All he did was haikus

And he’s bad at them

Stop making haikus please

[TrueSoulHustler]

What if the day ends even if we conclude he’s not guilty? Hmmmm

i love how we are using pronouns for a hydra lol

just taking it from every other mafia-esque game that employs this mechanic, not guiltys dont end day

[insomnia]

I guess I scum read Hectic more than the hydra itself so that’s why I said he

[Rautherdir]

If the person on trial is found guilty then they are immediately lynched, and lynching ends the day, so yes.

p-edit
If the person on trial is found not guilty they become lynchproof for the rest of the day, and the day continues.
If everyone abstains, the day continues, but the person on trial does not get lynchproof for the rest of the day.

p-edit 2
Long days are bad for town, yes.
Short days are even worse.

[TrueSoulHustler]

Information overload is a thing and it’s against the town.

Let minstrel defend himself instead of you defending him.

im not defending minstrel im trying to keep town from self destructing day 1
day 1 is the most important day of them all so to want to cut it short is very anti town

-mm

[insomnia]

I am the greater writer

The Minstrel slot shall perish

Stop whiteknighting scum

[insomnia]

Ok, the only way

Is for all town to abstain

Not giving lynchproof

[TrueSoulHustler]

From what I can tell, the trial required a vote to start. Meaning more then one player voted to trial Minstrel. At this point in the game I'm fairly certain there aren't any town reasons to do a trial on a player.

My point is more that we shouldn't end the day this early. If we could abstain I'd go for that but the risk of scum forcing our lynch is too high. I'm not saying Minstrel is town. I'm just saying we can't risk ending the day this early and going into day 2 when not everyone has even posted (I think. I might be wrong there.)

you do realize town wins faster games right? dicking around and making the game unreadable with a bloated RVS with a million people is wildly anti-town. you don't think minstrel is scum, fair enough, explain why, but arguing that you should waste the next day and a half arguing he should be inno'd off policy is weaksauce

rushing it is even worse mate

-mm

[TrueSoulHustler]

Ok, the only way

Is for all town to abstain

Not giving lynchproof

lynchproof?
what?

-mm

[TrueSoulHustler]

Ending Day 1 within 48 hours of it starting is not a good idea, ObviousScum. The game has moved out of RVS so the Trial has served its purpose, but please stop trying to convince anyone that a 48 hour Day 1 is good for the overall health of the town.

I'm not saying we *must* end the day, I'm saying people should bother to sort the slot rather than taking innoing as a categorical necessity. Why are you indifferent to him backpedaling on a claim, joke or not? He basically joked about being a survivor/quasi-VT and now you and rauth seem to be saying to policy-inno him without really trying to sort him

Seems like we've moved out of RVS so why are you giving people permission to stall off policy?

wolfy

[ObviousScum]

Trying to drag the gamestate into an abstract discussion of day 1 pacing policy I take as a scumclaim

Too easy to make provocative points about philosophy that have no actual bearing to the alignment of the player under consideration or anyone else

[Rautherdir]

Ok, the only way

Is for all town to abstain

Not giving lynchproof

It's just for the rest of the day. And I already know who I want to lynch today, and it isn't Minstrel, so I don't care. Also, I'd Not Guilty just to spite the Jury at this point. They made bad decisions, I'd like to make them live with the consequences.

[Korina]

/Modkill (Player)

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Checking "modkill-perm.txt" for "user_TrueSoulHustler"...
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ERROR: user_TrueSoulHustler not found. Checking for "*TrueSoulHustler*"
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ERROR: "player_TrueSoulHustler" does not belong to the group "game_moderator". Attempting to add "player_TrueSoulHustler" to group "game_moderator"...
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FATAL ERROR: "player_TrueSoulHustler" does not have the required permissions to add "player_TrueSoulHustler" to the group "game_moderator".
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DIAGNOSTIC MESSAGE SENT TO "sysmin_korina"
SYSTEM MESSAGE SENT TO "player_TrueSoulHustler"
RECOMMENDED COURSE OF ACTION: MODKILL "player_TrueSoulHustler"

STOP

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[Rautherdir]

Trying to drag the gamestate into an abstract discussion of day 1 pacing policy I take as a scumclaim

Too easy to make provocative points about philosophy that have no actual bearing to the alignment of the player under consideration or anyone else

It shouldn't be a discussion. That should be basic knowledge.

[Korina]

Game_System

is whispering to

TrueSoulHustler

.

Game_System

is whispering to

Korina

.

[ObviousScum]

The jury consisting of the dead cult bastard moderator/player made a bad decision?

[TrueSoulHustler]

Trying to drag the gamestate into an abstract discussion of day 1 pacing policy I take as a scumclaim

Too easy to make provocative points about philosophy that have no actual bearing to the alignment of the player under consideration or anyone else

you have a habit of talking out your ass yourself

your stance on this topic shows you arent noticing how suicidal a day end is here, this fast (if ur town)