Everything Is Still A Lie v2 [Canceled]

[insomnia]

Your Ico push seemed like kind of a stretch, plus as I said i thought his process there was aligned with town!him

Why did it seem like a stretch?

Why am I scum for me not having the same meta read on Iconeum as you do?

[Rautherdir]

Wait, two people have different meta reads on the same person?

The only option is to let them fight it out. This is obviously TvS. (I might be slightly sarcastic here. Or not. You figure it out.)

[Minstrel]

Hectic was a 1-shot unlynchable 1-shot bulletproof Jester in a recent game. In which I town-read them for being too scummy to be scum.

Ha, I still managed to get lynched day 2 and day 4. That was a really fun game.

-Hectic

[a Gun and a Rose]

Maybe stretch's a wrong word - it was a read I disagreed with. And again, you're not *necessarily* scum, but I've seen town!Ico pushed for bullshit like that by scum before, so I placed my vote for now. Are you so bothered by it?

also can I please go to bed

pedit: apparently we do lol

-gun

[Rautherdir]

Go to bed Gun, we're not lynching Icon yet. I have a question for DEB to answer first.

[insomnia]

Wait, two people have different meta reads on the same person?

The only option is to let them fight it out. This is obviously TvS. (I might be slightly sarcastic here. Or not. You figure it out.)

Not really, granted my meta with Iconeum is like 2 games max. But in each of those games I've seen some interest in actually sorting people.

In here he just fakes confidence in everything and is "in our faces" while not realising he has no reasoning for doing anything he does and he thinks acting smug about it will keep him covered.

The fact that he voted TSE over me makes no sense.

p-edit : Yes, because your reasoning for scum reading me is inherently flawed / scum driven. Disagreeing with something is not a reason to scum read someone.

[a Gun and a Rose]

again: i have seen scum do that, which makes you slightly likely to be scum fmpov, so i voted. I might unvote. Might not. Chill.

okay i am actually legit out now

-gun

[Rautherdir]

@insomnia: So, what you're saying is, you and Gun are probably TvS because you have differing meta reads?

[Rautherdir]

^ (Granted, with the additional step of Gun voting you for the differing meta read)

[Minstrel]

My problem with insomnia here is that he shaded our slot and argued against pro-Not Guilty Rau for quite a while during the trial, but I don't actually see a single

reason

for him thinking we're scum. What about my entrance did you dislike, insomnia?

-Hectic

[Rautherdir]

Scum-reading, not voting. Why am I having so much trouble with that recently.

[insomnia]

What is your vote achieving if it's placed on someone that you disagree with? Like are you gonna lynch me for not having the same opinion as you?

I would like some examples where scum have pushed Iconeum based on meta before, when you wake up, please.

[insomnia]

My problem with insomnia here is that he shaded our slot and argued against pro-Not Guilty Rau for quite a while during the trial, but I don't actually see a single

reason

for him thinking we're scum. What about my entrance did you dislike, insomnia?

-Hectic

I explained it through my questions to Chemist, but here, you can have my notes from that time that I took.

"Not really liking Hectic's vote on me, I feel like he could've focused on literally anyone else, I was gone for a few months. I feel like he wanted to impress me somehow by voting me. It doesn't have the sort of RVS vibe to it.

I've also only played one game with Hectic, so him saying that makes me roll my eyes in my head."

I can expound by saying I believed you couldn't come up with literally anything else as a reason for RVSing. I remember you having good entry posts as town, and this one was just a complete bummer tbh. I thought maybe you struggled to fake the same natural entrance that you have as town, so that's probably why it impacted me so much in scum reading you. I actually said "This is a strong reasoning and don't let him slip for this" or something like that.

[insomnia]

Also, I didn't like that after you voted me, you turned to talk with your other head, which I thought was weird.

These are like early D1 reads, but I think it works, because I don't think you had a fairly townie evolution throughout your posts.

[Minstrel]

"Not really liking Hectic's vote on me, I feel like he could've focused on literally anyone else, I was gone for a few months. I feel like he wanted to impress me somehow by voting me. It doesn't have the sort of RVS vibe to it.

I've also only played one game with Hectic, so him saying that makes me roll my eyes in my head."

Really? It was a RVS vote in every way. I even made a stupid gambler's fallacy joke to go along with it. So you took that vote seriously?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

Also, I didn't like that after you voted me, you turned to talk with your other head, which I thought was weird.

I always do some of this when I'm hydraing.

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

What do you mean by "I feel like he wanted to impress me somehow by voting me."? This is my first game with you since my first game on-site, so I RVS voted you and made a dumb joke to go along with it. I'm struggling to understand your thought process here.

-Hectic

[insomnia]

No. I thought you could've come up with way better votes / entries than "insomnia is generally scum". I can't really put it in words. I guess it felt as if you wanted me to react to your vote and set you up for a friendly chit chat, and me saying "Yeah, you're right" or something that makes you look good, as in, me making the work for you and not you actually getting town read for your entry (which you usually are, idk if other people say this reasoning, but you have really townie entry posts), if that makes any sense. I'm not gonna attempt to re-phrase this in any way, I don't think it gets any more coherent than this tbh.

[Rautherdir]

Aren't there PTs for that?

But seriously, I got a general feeling of insomnia's feelings about you. DEB was a complete mystery. If you're looking for no reasons whatsoever, you should be looking there. Then again, I'm already looking there, so whatever.

p-edit
I think it's called a gut-read. Or tone-read. Probably the former.

[insomnia]

It was not the seriousness of the vote that bothered me, it was your entry post, that I felt had a motive to make you look good / not suspicious, instead of you posting your usual weird town shit. And that way of making you look good was by making me react in some sort of way to the vote that makes you look good.

The egotistical part of the read is that I thought you acknowledged my semi-decent scum hunting things and wanted to confront me directly, as if to say "I'm not scared of you, I will vote you right from the start".

But it's mostly the first line.

[Rautherdir]

Okay, I think I understand what you're saying insomnia, and I have no idea what to call that. Or how to explain it better. Maybe that it was a good scum opening? Or trying to bait a reaction? Not really sure.

(This is why I don't analyze RVS votes though. It's not easy to do, and honestly I don't think anyone actually knows how to do RVS so most everything tends to be NAI in the end. Usually.)

[Minstrel]

Interesting, I think I understand where you're coming from a little better now. You were scum in the previous game btw, so it'd be weird to acknowledge you had decent scum-hunting off of that lul.

@Rau: What's the point of hydraing if you don't argue with and deathtunnel your partner at some point?

-Hectic

[Minstrel]

VOTE: DreamingLich

[Minstrel]

Norwee, don't be afraid to take the reigns at vote someone else at any point. Save your scumread on me till tomorrow.

-Hectic

[Rautherdir]

I mean, apparently one of the hydras in here isn't even actually a hydra. So I don't even want to try and answer that question.