Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Iconeum]

dont think shos-rc is all that likely tbh, i think rc would somehow make things look cleaner between them?
idk

@Ico I really wanna townblock RCE

i think he'd be a solid pick up for you guys

p-ed
@math

Xtox come back here I'm going to force you to talk and then vote rc

im notoriously difficult to force to talk

Great, name your top townread and your top scumread as of right now

reads based, rce
but its gotta go to doc. ico

top sr- bella

{ico, math, rce}
{skitter, teacher, ari, flopz}
{bella, shos}

i have some issues with bellas claim so pending the massclaim i'll see what that means for her/possibly rce.
my reads are not at all confident this game.

rc probably mentioned it first? i dont know. havent been reading everything

on another note, re-checked my math read but still came back to thinking hes town
not interested at all in lynching math as the alternative to rce

VOTE: rce
L-1

Hard townreads RCE until he votes him. And the 1 post to justify it is math? I don't like it...

[Xtoxm]

Yes, when I ran the numbers and realised how much they pointed to rce I dropped the tr. Scum have been lifting their game across the board in this tm, and 8 favour night evidence over reads.

[skitter30]

VOTE: math

Ari you need to explain that hammer. did u not look at a vc before making a substantive post for like the first time all dayphase?

[Iconeum]

i don't know if i have the energy/will to defend math again, from his UGLY last day opening

[skitter30]

R u still townreading him?

[Iconeum]

i'm exactly where i was yesterday on him

Absolutely hated his opening and response to the claims
But it was so completely out of the left field that I'm having a hard time thinking it can actually come from scum?

[Iconeum]

But he also has the terrible aso with saud so I don't know

[Iconeum]

I'm taking it slow until everyone has checked in

[skitter30]

It was nonsensical and he scored a mislynch off of it so
I have a hard time seeing it come from town

He's also been exactly wrong on i think every lynch wagon we've had, including the scum one.

Holistically i do not see town

[Iconeum]

He's also been exactly wrong on i think every lynch wagon we've had, including the scum one.

everyone except RCE?

[Iconeum]

Like, he's been wrong on every FLIP with the exception of RCE

[skitter30]

He was on tw, wasnt on saudade, was on rce

I'm not sure what you're saying

[Iconeum]

he was wrong on scum!tw
he was wrong on town!saudude
he was correct with town!rce

[skitter30]

He thought rce was scum ?

[Iconeum]

He thought rce was scum ?

that's not how i remember it

[skitter30]

Ok how do u remember it then?

[Iconeum]

i remember math speaking out, loudly, against RCE lynch during most of the day

[skitter30]

Um ... no.
That's not what happened at all

He started with moonlogic, ultimately settled on rce scum, and proceeded to actively canvass for the wagon and repeatedly questioned why people werenr voting there. I can pull up loads of quotes in a few hours (i.e. when i'm not trying to get ready for work)

Like ... take another look at his iso yestercay if that's what you think

[Iconeum]

well i'm wrong about that, ok

just reread all of that :s

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

Yeah I'm never lynching teacher. Agree with everything he said on the last page.

Why aren’t you voting RCE? << Question from Titus to Bella

And I am down for letting this sort tomorrow.

Titus is in a bit of moon logic territory imho so I am talking with her first before explaining her reads.

i mean, anyone?
{you, tw, rc skitter} are players i expect to be likely nks as town, regardless who is scum

the mechanical argument would be a lot more convincing if ico didnt exist.
i have a decent amt of meta with him, and thus far the sack of potatoes scum meta has held true. hes not potating here.
i could be underestimating him
i can already see that hes gonna be lynched at some point over this

Then if you don’t believe RCE is scum you have to push an alternative that is more probable than that.
Teacher is trying but still didn’t explain which other theory is more likely. I think he’s scum or town that’s doing scum’s work for them but he’s at least pushing Ari (I think?)

@Flopz I agree lately very little of what Titus has been saying makes sense. But she was getting annoyed at me not posting her opinions that didn’t make sense soooo :/ Damned if you do damned if you don’t.

@Ico I still favor RCE even with your shade. If RCE flips scum and you still wanna push me fine but I really don’t think that makes sense and if we get down to 1 or 2 scum then we will have room to mislynch me if you insist. I don’t really see how any of that follows but you do you.

RCE + Skitter or teacher makes so much more sense.

In short I really don’t think Xtom is scum but the only possible world Xtom is scum in is an RCE town one and that’s highly improbable

The idea behind it though is spot on which is why RCE should be lynched.

im mostly asleep but rolled over and read the maths from xtomx and shos

youre not wrong but youre not right either the problem loes in the odds youre ssyong 2/9

but theres no way in hell im killed n1 or flopz pr xtom or bella ormplim

these ppl were save candidates for a reason - there was a ++rand chance tp be killed

Okay...You can’t have it both ways.

If there is a ++rand chance RC (the only claimed PR) is shot then it’s a ++rand RCE tried to do it as the kill failed.
If you’re saying there isn’t ++rand chance RC is killed then the odds Xtom presented work and RCE was most likely the killer.

Both roads lead to RCE being the likely killer here.

9.1%

no its the same error it relies on sayinf theres the same chance xtomx was killed as RC or you

there was not like i see 4 sensible N1s total - you (save) rce (save) skit (jk killer) rc (jk killer)

good for you all if you can make reads off of N1, but i camt in the current claim space

That’s actually boiling down to
Me save
RCE save
RCE did the kill of anyone else (skit or RC) << This possibility in your list even if we use this narrowed down is the most likely.

Even if we assume that only those four options exist (which imho is incorrect)
That’s still 50% chance RCE is scum who was jailkept
25% chance I was shot and RCE alignment unknown
And 25% chance RCE was shot and town.

So what exactly is your issue with voting RCE here?

The gist of the point is that the RCE was scum jailkept is much much more likely than any other option.

RCE, who's scum with RC?

Teacher + a low poster. Probably within Bella/plum/Xtoxm. Well maybe not Xtoxm, there would probably be more enthusiasm for the game if he rolled scum with RC. Ari can still fit in there. I don't look at RC flipping the wagon at it's height onto TW and think man they look reeeaaallll townie for that.

@RCE, townreads please?

Same as yesterday

Math/Ico/skitter

If RCE is scum rule of three says Skitter probably is. (Yes I know that this gives scum ammo to mislynch me but if I am right on RCE scum we have the breathing room)

There is a lot of reason to discredit a confirmed slot.

Anyway RC, you're 3 for 3 on pushing for town lynches if Ari ends up town so why should your saudade read be considered different? If not for the fact they voted you.

Which is where a lot of your scumreads have come from this game. I started backing off early because you broke that pattern after I disengaged from interacting but it's picked back up since.

It's really disingenuous to push Math on the grounds that he was defending the shos wagon which was probably scum and now that they've called you town, you called Math out as leading a mislynch if he votes shos.

Ewwwwwwwwww

Ari you can keep babysitting him might as well change his diaper in a while
Ico you can keep being.. well you, like that one time you replaced into my game called all the scum town and all the town scum and that was it
skitter30???? ever since last game your reads were horse shit not gonna lie and if it werent for you getting night killed we'd never lynch Wake88 and won the game at lylo
MathBlade I've no qualms genuine attempts to read through this horseshit

Rule of three. Rule of three. The same rule of three as RCE before.
Plus the shade here was imho an attempt at distancing here and an attempt to buddy me.

If there is no traitor then RCE + Skitter is hella likely.

Math im not meaning to offend with this statement however.

Once I flip I think you need to consider backing down from wanting to be towns voice, and play a supporting role instead. I think this is in the best interest of town.

If you flip town then I have no regrets over it.

It would be necessary because of the jailkeep claim.
I would have zero regrets over it.

I would be sad sure.

Also I am not “the voice”.

I gave my opinion and others agree/disagree.

Everyone disagrees with my traitor theory. Fine. I may take a different road to get there but that doesn’t make me wrong.

Your lynch is needed. And I am pretty sure you’re scum.

Also, RCE never was willing to consider the possibility of Math being scum today
Saudade never was willing to consider the possibility of Math being scum today.
Shos also entered and didn't say much about it but pretty handily discredited my Math scumread
Bella too I think never was willing to consider Math scum today
Xtoxm... hasn't really taken a stance on anything

Obviously Iconeum exists and has the ~inno~
Math is math

Of the remaining players
Teacher thought Math scum made more sense than me at some point.
Skitter was getting frustrated and pissed off and thought he might be scum.
Ari actually voted him at one point.
I went after Mathblade at one point.
Flopz discredited the likelihood of Math being the protect which again seems significantly likely to come from T than S in this situation.

I really think Math has the illusion that their play was obvtown and deserves to be townread because all the scum players were never considering him and is only hunting in the pool of people that went after him even thought that's the exact opposite of what's happening here.

@Teacher Look here
RC says RCE scum
(He was imho wrong on Skitter here and contradicted his one of Skitter/Ari here but)
You get the jist and look at why.

Seriously RCE and RC had their own issues and back and forth that convinced me to vote RCE a bit.

RCE is scum here people.

Spoiler: straws grasping at yet more elusive straws

Vote Count 3.5

RCEnigma

(3): MathBlade, Flopz, shos

MathBlade

(1): skitter30

Not Voting (6): RCEnigma, Aristophanes, Bellaphant, Xtoxm, teacher, Iconeum

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 11 PM PST on the 12th, in (expired on 2020-02-13 03:00:00).

This is definitely not enough votes on RCE.
If you’re not on RCE people you need to explain why.

Like if I could nuke RCE,Teacher,and Skitter and see their flips I think the game is over.

individual chance of each slot being nk is ~9.1%

math nk: 9.1%
rce nk: 9.1%
rce makes kill = sum over remaining 9 slots = 81.8%

i'm p sure your math is wrong

Then what is the right math?

Because let’s assume there’s a typo. The general intent RCE is very likely scum is still there.

Why are you arguing minutia versus the actual point?

also 'you feel different' is, at its essence, a meta push

Which is why I am not doing that. I am trying to explain.

Pretty much you and teacher both have interacted with RCE posts and just ignored the probable and substituted your own reality.

RCE is probably scum. If you want to ignore that in favor of me or shos being scum you have to provide a case for it.

Can’t respond due to promise but I would like a chance to respond to teacher before day end assuming RCE is scum like I think he is so we can sort Teacher and Skitter.

Like i'm baffled that you can look at this and tell me math didnt think rce was scum

[skitter30]

Fuck me something happened with the spoiler tag

Yeah @ico

[Iconeum]

I'm not trying to be dishonest or misrep Math. I genuinly remembered it like that…

But I reread it and i'm clearly mistaken lol

[Iconeum]

My current feelings this game

[skitter30]

Yes

And my point that i started off with is that he was exactly wrong *every* day, and not just yesterday

Ok i need to get ready for work now

I want ari to explain how that hammer happened when he shows up

[Iconeum]

I need to go back (yeah fun right), and see what is wrong with my reads.

REALLY felt like a strong town wagon on RCE