Mini Normal 2119 [game over]

[the worst]

vote count 4.02

bji (2) - Looker, bob3141
bob3141 (1) - bji

not voting: Menalque, Micc, Iconeum, Skygazer

with 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

This phase ends in (expired on 2020-03-15 08:00:00).


mod notes: prodding Skygazer.
Menalque v/la til 15/03/2020.
Micc v/la until 15/03/2020.
the worst is starting rumours that Menalque & Micc are travelling together.
quack

[Micc]

look at me. best pagetop wingman in all of MS.

pretty sure Madison is a long way for menalque to travel but he's welcome to come. There will be beer!

[Micc]

oh and that votecount has bob listed twice and bji's wagon is 1 when it should be 2

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Fixed - thanks.

[Micc]

What i dont get is why bjj is pushing looker as scum. For looker to be scum looker v chem/bug would have to be scum theater.

If they were partners then why didnt chem/bug go after wilky but instead after his partner ensuring they lose one scum.

I don't think id classify bji as pushing Looker here, more defending himself from Looker while pushing you. What posting from bji are you taking to be a Looker push?

Then we have the gl night kill. Looking at gl end of day iso it would be clear to scum that he did not think chem/looker was theater. So why kill him if he is town reading looker.


We look at gl iso what do we see. He is town reading bob, menal and looker.

scum reading emps and aaron.


His ealier posts had him saying one scum if he is right about emp and bugs. Then one of bob/bjj/wilky had scum in it


we know for sure that wilky was town.


So who has motivation to kill gl. emps and bjj.


looker, menal and me would have no motivation to kill gl. As by end of day he was town reading the three of us

Would be clear to bjj that the section gl had him had dropped to just bjj/wilky.

making gl a clear problem.

Can you cite the GL posts you are pulling these reads from. Some of this feels misrepresentative of where he was and I feel the need to do some fact checking.

[Iconeum]

am back

catching up later today

[Iconeum]

Bji Bob

Who wants to go first

Not sure I understand the question.

which one of you wants to be lynched first

As for this game to be balanced one of town pr claims has to be scum. Esp considering that we had cop.

Bob would be voting Looker or Ico today if he really meant the quoted text. Slaxx and Datisi flips only strengthen the statement he made above. His scum reads for today don't even have any pr claims in it.

Bob put Slaxx at L-1 and then left him there even when one of this scum reads (Micc) had claimed intent to hammer, and now today he's trying to distance himself from the Slaxx lynch by claiming that he really didn't want the lynch and was going to unvote if given some more time.

I see where ur coming from wrt bob, but the same applied to slaxx and that flipped town. I posted extensively on this yesterday. From town slaxx pov he should be hard scumreading either of datisi or me and he didn't. He was contradicting himself very strongly. Yet it flipped town. So i'm doubting this kind of read because prior fail.

[Iconeum]

ill have contributions before EoD as long as no one lolhammers this time

sky this is from 6 days ago

where are ur reads

the self hammer didn't help but if you were gonna have reads 'soon' back then, certainly you have them by now?

[Iconeum]

1.Menalque
2.Looker
3.bji
6.Micc rep. emps
10.Iconeum
11.Skygazer rep. Eddie Cane, Tchill13, UltimatePlank
13.bob3141

2scum left

i'm town, menal is prob town, sky is prob town
i wish we lynched micc over pine, but i can't see myself lynching him right now
looker was the counterwagon and it didn't make a ton of sense for scum to be counterbussing other scum? so prob town

leaves lynchpool of

bji/bob in any order

if this doesn't end the game then

micc/menall and in this order


thoughts?

[Iconeum]

So we have our first full wagon of 6

Iconeum, GuiltyLion, bji, Datisi, AaronFrost, looker

Now the question is if bug is scum is anyone on that wagon bussing

If he is town who is most likely to be scum

@everyone thoughts about this?

[Iconeum]

Reconsidered. Slaxx can easily be Town and that makes the Roleblocker you found to be scum. Highly doubt both are Town.

Bji: a strongman doesn’t stop Aaron from getting a result night 1. So of the two things that could prevent a slaxx rolestop from protecting Aaron, a RB is much more likely than strongman. At least until icon brought to light how much power is hanging around.

Ftr I think it’s mechanically impossible for icon to be scum, and also that we can trust Datisi’s point that icon is way beyond his scum range.

yo micc what's your solve?

[Iconeum]

i don't think bji is scum

so that leaves bob and???

[Micc]

I am trying to get on board with the bji bob POE, but I need help from you on seeing sky’s slot as Town, and Looker to a lesser extent.

For everyone in the bji/bob/sky/looker group there are a small group of posts that I see as strongly Town indicative and the rest of the posting is meh enough it could be scum. Menalque has comparatively many more posts I see as strong Town so I’m ok removing him from consideration and taking the loss if he’s scum.

I’m of course working under the assumption that I’m the one mislynch we have left at this point and that my solve need to be correct. A world where we don’t lynch me feels much better because the solve becomes bji bob sky. I’m not sure if that world exists, despite there being no one pushing me right now.

I want to do another read through specifically looking at trajectory around my slot. It feels like I’m set up as the lylo mislynch and always have been. So who is keeping me around? All of these wagons that aren’t me have gone through without my vote being needed or me actively pushing. If there’s something here I’d probs feel better about than a POE solve, I just haven’t sat down to read through with this angle of attack quite yet.

It’s also possible that I should pull out the posting from bji/bob/sky/looker I’m taking as strong Town so they can be considered by the group. I’d be willing to listen to arguments in support or opposition of my read, and that would maybe be productive?

[Iconeum]

I am trying to get on board with the bji bob POE, but I need help from you on seeing sky’s slot as Town, and Looker to a lesser extent.

For everyone in the bji/bob/sky/looker group there are a small group of posts that I see as strongly Town indicative and the rest of the posting is meh enough it could be scum. Menalque has comparatively many more posts I see as strong Town so I’m ok removing him from consideration and taking the loss if he’s scum.

I’m of course working under the assumption that I’m the one mislynch we have left at this point and that my solve need to be correct. A world where we don’t lynch me feels much better because the solve becomes bji bob sky. I’m not sure if that world exists, despite there being no one pushing me right now.

I want to do another read through specifically looking at trajectory around my slot. It feels like I’m set up as the lylo mislynch and always have been. So who is keeping me around? All of these wagons that aren’t me have gone through without my vote being needed or me actively pushing. If there’s something here I’d probs feel better about than a POE solve, I just haven’t sat down to read through with this angle of attack quite yet.

It’s also possible that I should pull out the posting from bji/bob/sky/looker I’m taking as strong Town so they can be considered by the group. I’d be willing to listen to arguments in support or opposition of my read, and that would maybe be productive?

Sky town because I hard townread Planks D1 actions. Bad vibes from Sky from simply not being here, but Pine flipped town so this isn't AI?

Looker is probably town because it was the main counterwagon that scum pushed on D1. Scum was confirmed on this wagon as well. Read the interactions in ISO between looker and chemist/bugslot. Looker is probably town.

The main reason you are still alive right now is Menalque. He was the main pusher of the Pine lynch, and that only worked because Pine decided to bust the nuts of one of his strongest protecters. Funny stuff. Good read.

However menal had been roleblocked, and didn't do anything last night barring interference on my actions. If we town this slot, there isn't a whole lot left.

[Iconeum]

and when i continue on my own thoughts, i *still* come out on a solution that is actually menal+micc

despite me not scumreading you (micc) on play or content

[Iconeum]

bji shouldn't be in my PoE and it would make a lot more sense if micc/menal would take that place

i really like bji's position on the scum lynch and his post concerning that

[Iconeum]

bob + 1 of micc/menal?

[Micc]

Can you pull out the UP posts you’re town reading for me? I’ve looked there and feel like 90% of it is awful and 10% of it is posting I can empathize with. But even the stuff I empathize with is not necessarily town posting, it’s more that I understand how someone could get frustrated about the game as either alignment.

I thought bji’s positioning on the scum lynch looked a lot worse when I read back this weekend than I previously had him. Bji essentially got on 200 posts before the wagon became serious and was not present at all for the up and down. Simply came back a few days later and found a scum lynch. It’s hard to lock him town for what would be such a low effort bus.

Bji is big contrast from bob, who no matter how many things I don’t like, I get to his vote in post 1113 and can’t help but think it’s the vote that secured the chemist lynch when momentum was starting to slip away. Taking that to be a bus is giving bob a scum range I’m not sure he has.

[bob3141]

Ico quick question why did you force aaron to roleclaim when you only knew he was an investigative. Seems very sub par play for town tracker/follower.

Almost every role that comes up with that can be town. Need to check something

[bob3141]

ico your a scum joat arnt you

[bob3141]

after rereading bji day 1

i strongly doubt this is partnered with bugs

always pushing that bjj is not partnered with bugs

[bob3141]

menal why aren't you pushing bob super hard right now

were you annoyed that town menal isnt pushing me as expected?

[bob3141]

I just kinda gave up mentally and sheeped you.

so why is it scum!indicative for bob to sheep me when you do the same?

you town read me when im on teh same lynches as you. But all of sudden im voting bjj im scum?

We keep getting interactiosn liek this bjj but you never push him hard. Always lightly as if its for show

[bob3141]

ico/datisi/looker/sky all town
bji/bob prob town

menal/micc should be the roleblocker pool imo

i think slaxx + 1 in (menal/micc) solves this or close to

Bjj has been steadily moving up your reads. Last day he was low. But now he has 2 votes you have removed him

[bob3141]

Oh and ico you only ever fished for rb on day 2.

If you were tracker/follower. Then you woudl ahve know that datisi visited menal. But all you ever did was said equivalent of "oh yes your right datisi"

So much fishing

Scum on day two knew town had roleblocker. They know a town roleblocker would never visit slaxx.

Ico if you were town then you would know that for aaron to die slaxx had to be disabled or bypassed. And scum is not goign to have 3 pr roles. So if datisi was scum then he woudl have visited slaxx.

Thus for slaxx to die datisi must be town. Why did you out him ico?

But you didnt you just kept fishing. Until he claimed.

[bob3141]

and ico if you are town tracker/follower you have played really badly so bad that i cant see a town role doing you actions

you calim to have tracked datisi but why?

continued in next post have to find relavant quote