Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Hectic]

I'm a little suspicious of Ali's 'don't care' attitude, although her insistence on a mass claim seems very town. I was convinced she was scum but now I'm not so sure?

Why do you think insisting on a mass claim is a towny thing to do?

Ali is still dodging my questions btw.

[Pink Ball]

Hey guys

I'm ok with going with the massclaim, I'm one of the few players without explicitly claiming but Ame already knows and suggested what my role is. My only concern is getting wrong conclusions about XP when that's something that scum can easily lie. It's not like fakeclaiming that has some kind of backlash; lying about your amount of XP has no consequences you'd have to deal with in the future

[Raven Branwen]

I'm a little suspicious of Ali's 'don't care' attitude, although her insistence on a mass claim seems very town. I was convinced she was scum but now I'm not so sure?

Why do you think insisting on a mass claim is a towny thing to do?

Ali is still dodging my questions btw.

At this point in the game, how do you not see a mass claim anything other than protown? We only need one more scum lynch to win this and a mass claim can only accelerate this.

[Hectic]

If scum have a role like Knightmare's, it'll be NAI in the sense it's hard to distinguish whether it's a scum or town role. So mass-claiming would help scum prioritise their kills/ability in the night, while not necessarily giving us much insight.

On the flip side, town could also prioritise using abilities better, and since there is only 1 scum left you may be right.

[Hectic]

Yeah, sure, let's mass claim.

Ame, propose an order.

[Raya36]

Ame; assuming Ali is scum the hammer gambit still doesn't mean a whole lot if the counterwagon is also scum. At that point, scum was getting lynched one way or another.

I'm not evil Mario, I'm just placated Mario for this game.

This is also a good point. I guess it would be about the best position to be in to make that gambit

I'm a little suspicious of Ali's 'don't care' attitude, although her insistence on a mass claim seems very town. I was convinced she was scum but now I'm not so sure?

Why do you think insisting on a mass claim is a towny thing to do?

Ali is still dodging my questions btw.

Maybe it's more personal but as scum a mass claim stresses me out. Also a mass claim is very town oriented at this point in the game

[Ame]

Let's go with

Hectic
Creature
Pink Ball
Not Known 15

And Pine anywhere in between anytime you're online.
Additionally, Raya, Ginnie, Alie, and Raven can fill in any additional details that you haven't claimed anytime in between.

Please state all of the following information:

Spoiler:

Role Name

:

Abilities and Cost

:

Actions during each phase

:

Anything else relevant

:

XP

Starting XP (from your role PM):
XP at the end of D1:
XP at the end of Quest 1:
XP at the end of N1:
XP at the end of D2:
XP at the end of N2:
Current XP:

XP needed to upgrade:
Have you upgraded (yes/no):
If yes, during which phase:

Spoiler: Current Claims

Alisae

Role Name:

Adventurer

Abilities and Cost

:
- I count as 2 players to make sure the quest succeeds and does not affect the threshold for a quest to succeed
- when I vote for a leader for the quest, my vote counts as double
- each night I am on a quest, I can select a player and if they are sabotaged, the sabotage will fail.
- I gain an additional XP point for being selected as the leader of a quest

Anything else relevant

: Initially claimed starting XP was 2

Actions during each phase

:
-Nothing N1
-Train N2
-Upgrade D3

XP

Starting XP (from your role PM): 1
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 2
XP at the end of D2: 2
XP at the end of N2: 3
Current XP: 3

XP needed to upgrade: 3
Have you upgraded (yes/no): In Progress
If yes, during which phase: D3

Raya

Role Name:

Autofarmer

Abilities and Cost

:
-Gain 1 XP per Night

Upgrade: Target a player granting them 1 XP

Anything else relevant

:

Actions during each phase

:
-Nothing N1
-Upgrade D2

XP

Starting XP (from your role PM): 1
XP at the end of D1: 1 XP
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1 XP
XP at the end of N1: 3 XP
XP at the end of D2: 0 XP
XP at the end of N2: 1 XP
Current XP: 1 XP

XP needed to upgrade: 3 XP
Have you upgraded (yes/no): Yes

Creature

Role Name

:

Abilities and Cost

:

Actions during each phase

:

Anything else relevant

:

XP

Starting XP (from your role PM): 1 xp
XP at the end of D1: still 1 xp
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1 xp didn't partake
XP at the end of N1: 3 xp because train and FotC's death
XP at the end of D2: 1 xp because upgrade
XP at the end of N2: 2 xp
Current XP: 2 xp

XP needed to upgrade: 2
Have you upgraded (yes/no): yes
If yes, during which phase: D2

Ginnie

Role Name

: Vanilla Townie

Abilities and Cost

: None

Actions during each phase

: None

Anything else relevant

: Forgot to train N2, Didn't Train N1

XP

Starting XP (from your role PM): 1
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 2
XP at the end of D2: 2
XP at the end of N2: 2
Current XP: 2

XP needed to upgrade: 4
Have you upgraded (yes/no): no

[Ame]

I'm just placated Mario for this game.

Why so?

[Ame]

For the record, training is the only action that scum cannot simultaneously preform the factional kill with. One can gift and kill at the same time if you have the XP to do both.

This is was the "intentional" thing I was alluding to earlier btw. Since you previous suggested you couldn't gift and kill at the same time when you proposed your plan.

I see. I did leave it ambiguous intentionally. However, what I meant was that scum couldn't gift

all

of their XP and kill at the same time since killing costs XP.

[Ame]

To those with a voice in your head, is it the voice you hear when you speak or another?

[Raya36]

I believe I claimed everything. In case I didn't say this my role is called town autofarmer

[Hectic]

Role Name: Vanilla Townie
Abilities and Cost: None
Actions during each phase: Trained both nights
Anything else relevant: Nein

XP
Starting XP (from your role PM): 1 (note it doesn't give my starting XP in my role PM, they just told me I had 1 in the day 1 start PM)
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 1
XP at the end of D2: 1
XP at the end of N2: 2
Current XP: 2

XP needed to upgrade: 3
Have you upgraded (yes/no): Ha
If yes, during which phase: Night 3

[Hectic]

I'm just placated Mario for this game.

Why so?

I have a different feel for different games. I know you've mentioned before you think my scum meta is more backgroundish and less gimmicky but I have plenty of town games like this as well; it's NAI.

I'll be sure to enter my next game like this.

[Ame]

I remember reading that xD. Post of the year worthy

[Ame]

Ginnie if you're still here I have a question for you!

[Ame]

Who all did not have their starting XP in their role?

[Raya36]

I didn't know my starting xp until start of D1

[Ame]

Oh wait, I didn't either. I just made the assumption since I started late and read both at the same time. Sorry about that Ali. Your mistake makes sense.

[Ame]

Hectic, I scum read you because:
-You role phished me D1
-You immediately picked up that I was the vig when apparently others didn't, which makes me think you were contemplating my actions beforehand
-You were off both scum wagons

[Hectic]

I don't rolefish as scum btw. I think I was questioning into your motivations because they could be scum-indicative if they didn't make sense.
I thought it was pretty obvious you were the vig, no one else was hard scumreading Farkran and the GiF you posted start of day wasn't exactly subtle.

shrog

to being off both scum wagons. My random number generator failed me this game.

[Ame]

Ok have a good day.

[Hectic]

thx u 2

[Raven Branwen]

I believe I claimed everything. In case I didn't say this my role is called town autofarmer

What does an autofarmer do?

@Ame, I believe between spring and myself, I have nothing else to claim.

[Raven Branwen]

Given that this springlullaby wagon isn't going anywhere despite being the correct choice, can we compromise on trying to find the 2nd and 3rd scum?

I am fine voting for FOC or NK15 atm.

Please state your interest. 2 days left to deadline.

-Farkran

Still available to vote any among spring/foc/nk15

-Farkran

Townread {Hectic} - solid metaread, still have to analyze the recent scumgame i found but i think i know hectic
Townlean {Pine, Raya, Ame*} - liked pine introduction and followups, he and raya are tonally the most genuine slots; Ame see below
Null {mastina, momo, Lady Chloe**} - mastina is a lurker i didn't expect to see in this game after spectating TM2020, i think she wil be readable as soon as she produces content; momo is pending a springlul flip tbh; chloe see below
Nullscum {pinkball, gingie} - very little content from both, no scumhunting, tinfoil theory on pinkball
Scum {springlul, FOC, NK15}

*Pending analysis of scumgame, i need to verify if efforting this much as scum and fueling battles is within her scumrange, otherwise it's a reasonable townlean based on her towngames.

**I'm not sure if i like my scumlean on Lady Chloe anymore based on my recent exchange with her and the addition of NK15 to the scumpool so i will place her in the null tier for now.

Also from my notes:
Mastina vs Chloe disaligned
Ame vs springlullaby disaligned
Hectic vs springlullaby disaligned

-Farkran

We need more dialogue on NK15 being town, not just declarative statements.

Be careful, FOC will scumread you soon for that. He is already furious that we discuss capture target instead of instavoting {neighborizer + no capture}.

~ker

1114 is particularly interesting. This looks like Kerset is trying to to manipulate LC into townreading NK15. Did Kerset just tmi the last scum?

And NK15 seems to be ignoring all of my posting and still scumreading me, when everyone else is townreading me.

[Pink Ball]

I'm not particularly townreading you because of spring's obsession on being the quest leader, but yes, NK15 is who I was implying when I said Ali wasn't my first alternative