Mini 2134 Gin's Joint Pick4U - GAME OVER

PenguinPower · Post Post #1800 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:23 am

I mean - you are approaching this from a normal game of mafia perspective and that's just not a good way to do it at this point.

Titus · Post Post #1801 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:24 am

In post 1800, PenguinPower wrote:I mean - you are approaching this from a normal game of mafia perspective and that's just not a good way to do it at this point.

So you don't have anything better than "but the mod said we're fucked". We worked together. Let's ride off into the sunset rather than looking a gift horse in the mouth.

PenguinPower · Post Post #1802 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:25 am

I...literally explained an alternative scenario in the post prior to that...

Titus · Post Post #1803 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:30 am

In post 1799, PenguinPower wrote:I feel like you really aren't thinking this through. Just because he is lying doesn't mean he doesn't have some power to end the game if he's not lynched today.

So, let's suppose that Bingle is only somewhat lying about his role (which he has already been "mistaken" on) and there exists a type of role that allows someone to prep targets to later be killed all at once.

And, let's suppose that this is a bastard game where the moderator has stated that we are all fucked, and because of voting the game is extra crazy.

Let's suppose.

Great but he can't kill conftown BC we're protected.

PenguinPower · Post Post #1804 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:31 am

From normal kills...

PenguinPower · Post Post #1805 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:31 am

This is somewhat exasperating.

PenguinPower · Post Post #1806 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:32 am

Also, how do you plan to pick up the rolestop before tonight given that it's in the Black Market?

Titus · Post Post #1807 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:33 am

In post 1805, PenguinPower wrote:This is somewhat exasperating.

You're telling me.

If you think Bingle's scum, vote him.

PenguinPower · Post Post #1808 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:33 am

I am.

Titus · Post Post #1809 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:34 am

In post 1806, PenguinPower wrote:Also, how do you plan to pick up the rolestop before tonight given that it's in the Black Market?

The shop was fully unlocked previously. We can buy day and night. H is buying the rolestop though. I got the doctor.

Titus · Post Post #1810 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:44 am

Convince me if we lynch Bingle and are wrong how town auto wins.

Titus · Post Post #1811 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 3:49 am

The way I see it

Bingle mislynch - 5 alive
Scum no kills tonight - 5 alive
Mislynch - 4 alive
Kill Conftown - 3 alive

Game enters a 1 v 1 lylo.

Mislynch

PenguinPower · Post Post #1812 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:00 am

I can't because there is no auto-win. I don't believe there's an auto-win in your scenario either. We have to play by likelihoods.

If all of your assumptions are correct, then yes there is an auto-win, but I don't know why you are assuming that they are necessarily or likely correct. In what world does Bingle - an extremely mechanical player - make a simple mistake like that? Unless he needed one more night to accomplish what he needed to do.

I mean - even above you are assuming 1 scum left. What if there are two?

Titus · Post Post #1813 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:01 am

H you have my money. Mod miscounted.

Titus · Post Post #1814 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:04 am

In post 1812, PenguinPower wrote:I can't because there is no auto-win. I don't believe there's an auto-win in your scenario either. We have to play by likelihoods.

If all of your assumptions are correct, then yes there is an auto-win, but I don't know why you are assuming that they are necessarily or likely correct. In what world does Bingle - an extremely mechanical player - make a simple mistake like that? Unless he needed one more night to accomplish what he needed to do.

I mean - even above you are assuming 1 scum left. What if there are two?

We already flipped three..in a mini. Reck referenced partners. If there wasn't just one more left, it would be unplayable rather than impossible given the janitors.

Second, if there are two scum, Bingle would have to be town to deal with it all.

PenguinPower · Post Post #1815 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:06 am

We flipped two...Pine and LLD.

And, given that I get a vig shot for each day I drink I don't think your last statement is accurate.

Titus · Post Post #1816 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:07 am

In post 1812, PenguinPower wrote:In what world does Bingle - an extremely mechanical player - make a simple mistake like that? Unless he needed one more night to accomplish what he needed to do.

Do you have evidence for this? I usually out mechanic Bingle and I can get sloppy.

Titus · Post Post #1817 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:08 am

In post 1815, PenguinPower wrote:We flipped two...Pine and LLD.

And, given that I get a vig shot for each day I drink I don't think your last statement is accurate.

Then why not vig Bingle?

PenguinPower · Post Post #1818 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:09 am

...because I think he wins if he makes it to tonight. Sorry if that wasn't clear from 1812.

Titus · Post Post #1819 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:12 am

In post 1818, PenguinPower wrote:...because I think he wins if he makes it to tonight. Sorry if that wasn't clear from 1812.

Couldn't I make the same point about you? You lose if Bingle is honest if you're scum after all.

Hoctac · Post Post #1820 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:17 am

Ginnie just messaged me and apparently I have 4 dollars now?,#*% Richest Hoctac alive.

I bought a Strongman and a Death Stick. I hope that's okay!

PenguinPower · Post Post #1821 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:19 am

In post 1819, Titus wrote:
In post 1818, PenguinPower wrote:...because I think he wins if he makes it to tonight. Sorry if that wasn't clear from 1812.
Couldn't I make the same point about you? You lose if Bingle is honest if you're scum after all.

Fair. But, I'm not a mechanical player who made a "mistake" when reading his Role PM that explains why I should be dead but am still alive.

gobbledygook · Post Post #1822 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:31 am

In post 1820, Hoctac wrote:Ginnie just messaged me and apparently I have 4 dollars now?,#*% Richest Hoctac alive.

I bought a Strongman and a Death Stick. I hope that's okay!

holy cluck. Is hoctac scum?

Titus can you confirm with Ginngie that you were specifically masonized and not neighborized?

Titus · Post Post #1823 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:34 am

In post 1822, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1820, Hoctac wrote:Ginnie just messaged me and apparently I have 4 dollars now?,#*% Richest Hoctac alive.

I bought a Strongman and a Death Stick. I hope that's okay!
holy cluck. Is hoctac scum?

Titus can you confirm with Ginngie that you were specifically masonized and not neighborized?

Already done.

Also, Hotac is a bad kidder. There's only one strongman and I used it.

Ginngie · Post Post #1824 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2020 5:56 am