mini 2140: partition (this is over)

[Hoctac]

Adorable

- Puff went from thinking it was 1-1-1 to randomly switching to 3-0-0 in 299 with iff reasoning. Unnatural progression. No non-OMGUS reads yet. BUSSING/distancing.

Ame

- Conspiracy theory is townie. Poking Kanna is townie. Naked suspicion of clidd is iffy, dodged my question for why she found him suspicious.

Cat Scratch Fever

- Russian Blue. Poking holes in clidd's reasoning was townie, spotting Adorable as scum is townie. Some of her questioning feels

COLD.

Daenerys and Dragons

- Townslips in 16 and 19 look more fake than real. 231 is scummy in the way it takes Doro's joke too seriously.

Hoctac

- Sometimes misreads his role PM. He's probably fine, but there's always the possibility. Nulltown.

Kanna

- Newbtown. Her paranoia and coming around to thinking there's 2+ scum in Group 1 is natural.

Spoiler: Don't read this part, Kanna

Could be scum distancing if she suddenly decides she doesn't want to lynch Group 1.

Morning Tweet

- Scumslipped. 144.

Raya36

- PoE range. Agreeing with easy stuff and safe(?) takes. Pushing Group 3 and not considering Group 1 reads could be agenda-driven.

Q & A:

Raya

- I would love to see one of those fancy coloured readslists from you.

Daenerys and Dragons

- Regarding 19: There was an "ie" before "each of them is in one of the groups." Did you miss that?

Morning

- How confident are your scumlean/reads?

Ame

- Why do you find clidd suspicious, and are your Hoctac/clidd reads independent?

Kanna

- What's your read on me?

[Hoctac]

Thanks guys, you're the best.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

It’s not the “ie” I missed. I think I read this as “one of them [mafia] must be in each of the groups.”

I don’t even think this could be called a townslip, I just read the rules incorrectly.

- Daenerys

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.

Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?

Except that 1-0-2 is FAR TOO RISKY. If we lynch group 2 they lose 2 scum and it's up to 1 scum to fight the whole town with no kills after N1?

Seems improbable. It's 3-0-0 or 2-0-1.

I assume you meant to say if we lynch group 3?
That logic applies to all the possibilities I mentioned. I think 2-0-1 is the least risky for scum but what you said certainly applies to 3-0-0 since the risk isn't even that they only have 1 scum left, they just lose.

Yes. Exactly.

Its 2 0 1 or 3 0 0.

Group 3 is the most easy to lynch.

Group 2 is the safest option to continue the game with no clear winner.

Group 1 is where all the scum are hiding.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@hoctac, why do you keep calling kanna “newbtown”?

[Albert B. Rampage]

This isn't a scumhunt this is just outguess the scum and vote logically.

Theres no need to scumhunt today.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@ABR, why don’t you think there’s scum in group 2? You say you refuse to scumhunt, so you’re not townreading clidd, correct?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Why can’t clidd be scum fypov?

- Daenerys

[Albert B. Rampage]

Makes no sense to put 1 scum in a 2 player group.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Makes no sense to put 1 scum in a 2 player group.

this logic can go on forever because of WIFOM

-dragons

[Hoctac]

It’s not the “ie” I missed. I think I read this as “one of them [mafia] must be in each of the groups.”

I don’t even think this could be called a townslip, I just read the rules incorrectly.

- Daenerys

Really, you don't think that would be a townslip? I struggle to believe you think that.

Are you aware mafia form partitions pregame, and would therefore be very aware of how they can insert themselves in the groups, and would be discussing strategies?

[Mohab500]

This stuff is why I told people to stop stressing so much about partitions earlier. Partitions should be used a secondary method of determining a lynch, not as the main one. Scuminess of a player should always, always take priority over random thoughts about 'what scum would do with partitions!'. Yes, lynching group 1 is incredibly risky, because if there is anything less than 2 scum in there, we instantly lose. So yes, scum probably put three there because they know we think a group 1 lynch is too risky, and they're playing on our paranoia. But hold on, what if they knew that we knew that we'd figure out they'd put all three in group 1 because we consider it too risky? So they split them up to 1-1-1, or 1-0-2. But hold on, we also know that they'd know that we would know that they would know that we would know the risk of lynching group 1. So we don't lynch group 1, but hey, hold on...

And it goes on and you could make the same argument for pretty much every logical partition choice. It makes no sense to keep theorising this much about partitions when there are way too many possibilities and in the end, we only end up misleading ourselves into thinking someone is scum because of how we think the partition is split.

I am going to go ahead and skim the previous pages to get reads on players, I am still fairly lost on what's going on and who's reading who in what fashion. I recommend everyone drop the partition issue for now and we'll deal with it when we actually get some good leads regarding the players themselves. Anyone who keeps trying to predict the partitions isn't trying to scumhunt: they're just pretending to scumhunt.

[Hoctac]

@hoctac, why do you keep calling kanna “newbtown”?

She's fairly new to mafia and I think this is her first game outside of the newbie queue. Does she not read that way to you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cats and Dragons are the worst slots overall to me but I might be completely wrong and it doesn't even matter if I am because scum fucked themselves with this stupid allocation.

[Hoctac]

Why Cat Scratch Fever, Albert?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Makes no sense to put 1 scum in a 2 player group.

this logic can go on forever because of WIFOM

-dragons

We can easily outWIFOM the scum here. EASY. They are so stupid.

[Mohab500]

Quick read, the way Albert is playing it seems he's banking on lynching Group 1 then not even having a day 2, so I am in favour of a group 2 lynch for the moment (for real now).

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game

Madness. You are scum.

The context for what I said was,

“If scum put 1 scum into each group, then lynching group 1 would be an instant win for scum.”

Why is this a scummy thing to say?

all 3 scum are in group 1 and will fight tooth and nail to avoid instantly losing.

You can’t instantly lose as town if all 3 scum are in group 1, no matter which group you lynch

Conversely you can instantly lose as town if you lynch group 1 and the partitions are 1-1-1

I misread that mb

Who’s scum in group 1?

I admit it’s likely there’s 2-3 scum in group 1 but wouldn’t you want to confirm your theory with reads on players in group 1?

These posts are scummy. I might be right I might be wrong but I can easily guess what the scum did here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Quick read, the way Albert is playing it seems he's banking on lynching Group 1 then not even having a day 2, so I am in favour of a group 2 lynch for the moment (for real now).

GO AHEAD I DONT CARE

[Mohab500]

hi friends!

for some reason I thought that mafia had to place at least one of each of themselves in each group. can someone confirm for me whether this is the case?

- Daenerys

Someone called this fake recently: I can confirm I had a similar thought when we began the game, perhaps because the listed mafia partition game had some ambiguous wording which made this seem like the case, so I can't really agree with that claim.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

It’s not the “ie” I missed. I think I read this as “one of them [mafia] must be in each of the groups.”

I don’t even think this could be called a townslip, I just read the rules incorrectly.

- Daenerys

Really, you don't think that would be a townslip? I struggle to believe you think that.

Are you aware mafia form partitions pregame, and would therefore be very aware of how they can insert themselves in the groups, and would be discussing strategies?

I mean I just had the rules wrong in my head this whole time about how mafia have to allocate themselves. I don’t particularly think that’s alignment indicative? Are you saying it’s a “townslip” because mafia would discuss whether or not they have to allocate one to each group?

- Daenerys

[Ame]

@Hectic - associative. You randomly mentioned him earlier. And your interaction looks partnery. Also suspect that you two are likely to have done thins configuration. Not ignoring you or anyone. I'll fully address posts I've gleaned over Friday-Saturday

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote for group 2 and I will see you in 2 months when you finish this game.

I gave you a shortcut to winning and being lazy.

Scum got exceptionally lazy and didn't understand how to play this game strategically. We can win this so easy town just needs to ignore scum naysayers.

I WILL REPEAT MYSELF.

SCUM THOUGHT YOU WOULDNT SELF VOTE. THEY THOUGHT GROUP 3 WAS EASY FODDER.


WRONG.

[Ame]

-n

[Hoctac]

hi friends!

for some reason I thought that mafia had to place at least one of each of themselves in each group. can someone confirm for me whether this is the case?

- Daenerys

Someone called this fake recently: I can confirm I had a similar thought when we began the game, perhaps because the listed mafia partition game had some ambiguous wording which made this seem like the case, so I can't really agree with that claim.

Sure, but mafia could misinterpret that too before they start their pregame discussion. Perhaps scum!Daegon has that in mind and is ready to drop it when the game starts. It's just the way they come out innocently inquiring about it.