Mini 2134 Gin's Joint Pick4U - GAME OVER

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/in to replace

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PB let’s beat off Ari he’s maf

I fixed it

That's worse. The first interpretation was opinionally correct.

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@LLD I'll give you my money to masturbate today

Hello this is the fbi, I mean I’m nobody special just carry on

I shouldn't laugh about nobody special and the FBI but I did.

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VOTE: Ari

Tying the wagons because why not.

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Also - you didn't tie the wagons Titus.

Meh I just checked the VC and voted. I like counterwagons.

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I mean your stalling logic doesn't really work when you're sitting on a vanity at this point, PB...

I'm the one who's dying so I get to choose if my death is worth or not

Why are you dying?

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I mean - you're complaining about dying so I assumed you cared?

Check the VC, Titus.

I thought that was a typo? Da faq?

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Intent to hammer if I am on at one hour prior to deadline.

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Can you link to your claim Maria?

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VOTE: MariaR

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That's L minus 1

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VOTE: Pine

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Why did Ginngie start editing posts?

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Why the hell would Mastina do that.

remember when I told you to lynch the claimed non-town thirdparty

So then why are you telling us to lynch Pine now?

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If you have enough money, PM Ginngie.

Bingle, why did you announce that? People are going to make a run on the BP and doctor abilities in the shop.
Also I don’t think I should die because I’m pretty sure my earlier PoE is correct unless LLD or you is scum.

What is your PoE? You can just link the post where you explain.

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Worth noting: LLD is not conftown and has significant scum equity right now. Reck is not town. Presumably scum shot both of Dunn and bulb using the vig that was available yesterday.

Personality differences suggest LLD is town here. LLD tends not to be as aggressive early game as scum. I wouldn't lock town her but I am ok sleeping her until I get a better foothold.

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I get she isn’t town, but I don’t think what she did yesterday was scummy.

Huh?

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Bingle, if you feel four deaths tonight, doesn't that imply multiball? Why do you get fourth deaths today? If four deaths is accurate and multi ball is a thing, why don't we save the double lynch (if we have one) for the dreaded 2 v 1 v 1 setup?

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Bingle, if you feel four deaths tonight, doesn't that imply multiball? Why do you get fourth deaths today? If four deaths is accurate and multi ball is a thing, why don't we save the double lynch (if we have one) for the dreaded 2 v 1 v 1 setup?

He poisoned two people last night, he bought a vig today, and he is going to die tonight (presumably going to use the vig too).

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Why would Bingle die tonight? I assume Bingle is arguing for himself being the scumkill here then?

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Quick question: Who else can manually kill themselves?

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Bingle has already said he will die because of his role.

Too much reading.

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Okay, I'm going to stop beating around the bush.

I want a desperado used today.

I know you do. And I have it.

But using it today is not great for reasons. I'd rather use it tomorrow.

It was probably a personal miscalculation, but so be it.

If you are certain on a scum target I may consider it however.

Why are you so confident you aren't poisioned?

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Is it really just Ari PP Pine?

Not sure on PP but Ari/Pine looks good.

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Oh, so I am confirmed town.

Fun.

No idea what to do with this when my motivaation is gone

You want me to shoot or wait a day?

you have da day desperado?

Desperado Pine now.

+1 Why is this an ask permission thing?

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Oh Happy Birthday LLD.

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VOTE: Reck

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So that at least means Pine did not recruit someone and likely used his marketplace ability.
This is not a good look for Bingle.

Why is this not a good look for Bingle?

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Bingle dies tonight. He admitted such. Bingle is only worth suspecting if he somehow lives since the claimed doctor won't heal a suspect.

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In post 1595, Bingle wrote:
Who should I vig?

Titus, wanna do some vca?


You should vig Ari.

Vigging Ari is a terrible idea unless multiball magically happens. Ari is confirmed not mafia.

Bingle, I get your reluctance to buy Pine didn't recruit. Unless Pine's market thing let him hide a ninja or something, Gobble's likely telling the truth. Gobble is expecting to die today and is laying all his information on the table.

I think Reck should be vigged imo.

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PB would be my next vig target kinda by PoE at this point.

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Titus how is Ari confirmed town

Desperados only work on targets of opposing alignments I believe.

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Actually, I am wrong. I just checked the wiki. It flips if the target is scum. So it is possible for Ari to be mafia, forced to shoot his deadweight buddy.

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But why would Ari shoot Pine before his recruit...unless Pine's marketplace abilities let him hide his purchase of the ninja?

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Tldr, it's possible Ari is scum, but the logistical hurdles make it unlikely.

However, I do think someone was recruited. If Pine's purchase was hidden, the mod would have to lie and say Pine never bought the ninja.

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VOTE: PB

I think scum are apathetic at this point. Too many conftown.

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Oh, cool, Reck is dead.

We can lynch PB, vig Ari, docx2 and have a 1v1 with a potential desperado restock tomorrow. Or I can holster my vig if the people who actually have to deal with decision making at this point prefer that.

I endorse this plan ftr.

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I think if Hoctac targets me, with the plans laid out, that's an autowin.

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LLD is very likely town given the pushes on Pine and Reck.

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So at this rate it's just Hoctac Titus and LLD tomorrow?

And that is assuming no scum kill tn.

Are they all being protected? I think I missed that. Regardless this makes me an uneasy Ari. However I do see no way to avoid this other than an NL and really PB should die today to set the PoE pool proper so... :S

I'll vote it eventually. As I said before tho, whar even is the point of scumhunting atm? The final 3 can do that (hopefully)

The game should straight up be over with the PB lynch. I don't see how LLD or Hoctac is scum here.

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Do you think LLD would fuck up Titus if they were partners?

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Ok I'm glad you're not scum 'cause I have no patience to read what you're saying

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Wait...how are we reading Titus’ posts with me breaking rules?

VOTE: PP

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The only lie I told about my role PM was that I actually had to force feed the caffeine twice. Taking caffeine should have made force feeding caffeine unstoppable though.

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Wouldn't that be like 2 - 3 actions per night?

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Oh mother fucker.

I misread my role PM.

Explain please.

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we can safely take it twice. The third dose kills.

And now I look like a jackass.

Should we just repeat it?

H and I are conftown so killing everyone else means town wins.

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VOTE: Pink Ball

Let's do it.

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Oh mother fucker.

I misread my role PM.

This sounds fake

So what? If H and I each get two dollars, we just cross protect, like Bingle said.

If he lies, you or PP lives again. So what's the problem?

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Who brought the strongman and who bought the eavesdropper

Why out the strongman?

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People should claim who they are sending money to

I have 1 dollar to contribute

Send it to me please.

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I got the money. Thanks guys. I just submitted to buy the doctor.

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So you drink shots to get shots? Lol

If I had that role I'd win every mafia game.

Drunk Titus might beat you.

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In hospital

Taly has access to mod thread If needed

Get better soon.

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H there are 6 players alive.

You, me, PP, PB, gobble and Bingle.

Bingle has stated gobble, PP, and himself die tonight. We doctor and rolestop each other. We lych PB. Zero percent chance of a town loss.

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I asked the mod to verify my purchase and send you my leftover money.

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Hey Bingle, you are not voting Pink Ball.

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OK, I couldn't send a dollar to H. I was out, but Gingie confirmed I got the doctor purchase.

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This has to be a mod error why I can't give H money unless someone stole it.

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H there are 6 players alive.

You, me, PP, PB, gobble and Bingle.

Bingle has stated gobble, PP, and himself die tonight. We doctor and rolestop each other. We lych PB. Zero percent chance of a town loss.

I'm not sure why you are believing Bingle when he has already been "mistaken."

Because there's no harm in believing him once H has the rolestop.

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Let's suppose Bingle lies. He can only kill PP, PB, or Gobble. He kills one.

That leaves him in a 5 v 1 with two conftown and the near automatic lynch.

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Let's suppose Bingle lies. He can only kill PP, PB, or Gobble. He kills one.

That leaves him in a 5 v 1 with two conftown and the near automatic lynch.

4 v 1 ebwop

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Let's suppose Bingle lies. He can only kill PP, PB, or Gobble. He kills one.

That leaves him in a 5 v 1 with two conftown and the near automatic lynch.

4 v 1 ebwop

3 v 1 forgot we lynched someone else. So he has to one v one the last slot.

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I mean - you are approaching this from a normal game of mafia perspective and that's just not a good way to do it at this point.

So you don't have anything better than "but the mod said we're fucked". We worked together. Let's ride off into the sunset rather than looking a gift horse in the mouth.

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I feel like you really aren't thinking this through. Just because he is lying doesn't mean he doesn't have some power to end the game if he's not lynched today.

So, let's suppose that Bingle is only somewhat lying about his role (which he has already been "mistaken" on) and there exists a type of role that allows someone to prep targets to later be killed all at once.

And, let's suppose that this is a bastard game where the moderator has stated that we are all fucked, and because of voting the game is extra crazy.

Let's suppose.

Great but he can't kill conftown BC we're protected.

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This is somewhat exasperating.

You're telling me.

If you think Bingle's scum, vote him.

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Also, how do you plan to pick up the rolestop before tonight given that it's in the Black Market?

The shop was fully unlocked previously. We can buy day and night. H is buying the rolestop though. I got the doctor.

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Convince me if we lynch Bingle and are wrong how town auto wins.

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The way I see it

Bingle mislynch - 5 alive
Scum no kills tonight - 5 alive
Mislynch - 4 alive
Kill Conftown - 3 alive

Game enters a 1 v 1 lylo.

Mislynch

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H you have my money. Mod miscounted.

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I can't because there is no auto-win. I don't believe there's an auto-win in your scenario either. We have to play by likelihoods.

If all of your assumptions are correct, then yes there is an auto-win, but I don't know why you are assuming that they are necessarily or likely correct. In what world does Bingle - an extremely mechanical player - make a simple mistake like that? Unless he needed one more night to accomplish what he needed to do.

I mean - even above you are assuming 1 scum left. What if there are two?

We already flipped three..in a mini. Reck referenced partners. If there wasn't just one more left, it would be unplayable rather than impossible given the janitors.

Second, if there are two scum, Bingle would have to be town to deal with it all.

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In what world does Bingle - an extremely mechanical player - make a simple mistake like that? Unless he needed one more night to accomplish what he needed to do.

Do you have evidence for this? I usually out mechanic Bingle and I can get sloppy.

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We flipped two...Pine and LLD.

And, given that I get a vig shot for each day I drink I don't think your last statement is accurate.

Then why not vig Bingle?

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...because I think he wins if he makes it to tonight. Sorry if that wasn't clear from 1812.

Couldn't I make the same point about you? You lose if Bingle is honest if you're scum after all.

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Ginnie just messaged me and apparently I have 4 dollars now?,#*% Richest Hoctac alive.

I bought a Strongman and a Death Stick. I hope that's okay!

holy cluck. Is hoctac scum?

Titus can you confirm with Ginngie that you were specifically masonized and not neighborized?

Already done.

Also, Hotac is a bad kidder. There's only one strongman and I used it.

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I just took a shot so I'll be shooting you anyway.

Great. Let's lynch PB now.

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I'm only really worried about making sure that Hoc got his rolestop before we go into night, just in case scum is capable of surviving the night.

He's got the rolestopper. He confirmed it in the masonry.

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Gobble, Bingle can't survive a 2 v 1 anyway even if he is lying.

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Gobble, Bingle can't survive a 2 v 1 anyway even if he is lying.

Titus, you don't know that

The two are literally mod confirmed masons....

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Pitch a setup where I can win tonight through a vig kill aimed at me and lynches on three partners, one of which has a cult recruit he never got to use.

There's paranoia, and then there's idiocy.

Wait...what? How do you know it wasn’t used?

He doesn't have to. He can plan for you lying or telling the truth.

Let me put this to you bluntly, I have zero intention of stopping Bingle. Doing so is gamethrowing.

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I’m actively ignoring you at this point, conftown or not. You are being dense and unwilling to think outside your own perspective so...have fun talking to yourself.

You have to talk with conftown. You need at least me or H to lynch Bingle.

I am perfectly ok with a no lynch. No lynch means Bingle's murderfest happens.

As much as you may not like it, you need me or Hoctac.

There's 6 alive. You need four to lynch. Bingle won't self vote. So you need every other slot in the game or you need me.

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I’m not trying to intentionally antagonize you, but your better half is willing to listen and you’re are clammed up in your own domain so....

I am willing to listen to an actual case on Bingle and how it could work. I am not listening to gee what if.

If Bingle tells the truth, you win too.

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Nothing's been presented for me to listen to.

You haven't presented how Bingle could kill either Hoctac or me. He has to do that to win.

You haven't shown why Bingle lies beyond he's scum, which is circular.

You haven't shown why Bingle is scum, separate from his claim.

It's so much easier to vote PB and be done with the game.

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The entire premise behind the paranoia is that I can somehow win from here as scum when we've already lynched 3 members of my team. If I were capable of winning off of literally 1 mislynch (PB is claimed 3p) the game just wasn't worth playing in the first place.

Where have we lynched three scum? I see one desperado'd and one killed last night.

Reck, treestumped.

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I know it's lylo, but the other slot is my mason buddy. So this is rather easy.

VOTE: Pink Ball

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Christ how many mafia are there though?

LLD, Pine, Reck, PP and now PB. 5 mafia in a 13 player game.

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I should've won, I don't get it

Go on.

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This is fucked up

VOTE: Titus

Now I get why you were so eager to lynch me

Honestly, I want to hear what messed up rationale you try to sell for this one. Entertain me scum.

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Literally, it's 2 masons and you PB. Might as well write a fun swan song.

Sure, if it gets you to self vote, I am a scumfuck mason.

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No point in prolonging the game.

Go ahead and vote yourself if you can't die. I am fine with whatever resolution may come of it. If Hoctac wins, I'll just say bastard game and move on.

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PB, if you seriously think there's a scumfuck mason, it can only be Hoctac. Masonizing me would be a moderator lie.

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Makes more sense that the one who bought the masonizer could be scum in the game, even if that's bastard. So I'll have to negotiate with him. Sorry Titus!

So you're a scumsiding survivor. That's what you're saying.

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I want to win, and I'm vulnerable during night, so if Hoctic makes a gentlemen's agreement I'll vote myself and let him kill you

Dumb question but I can't buy this.

If Hoctac was scum, why doesn't he kill you last night and win?

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Umm Mod, I was told I was a wolf, not mafia. I was even masonized as such.

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So only Reckoner, myself and maybe PB should win right?

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YOU WERE A FUCKING WOLF?!???

Yes. A wolf, not mafia.

I fought to lynch you over PB to not prolong the game since I was conftown with a one shot unlynchable. I almost took you up on your gentleman agreement but I was worried about having yet another kill fail.

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I still don't get why you didn't die there PB. I did shoot you.

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Was your team able to kill during the night?

I wasn't vulnerable to lynches lol I wasn't going to take the gentleman agreement

Yes. Unfortunately all of my shots failed. Gobble healed LLD n1, Hoctac n2, somehow you lived n3.

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The only kill I got through was the strongman on LLD, which further confirmed me as town since wolves were hidden.

With so many flipped mafia, no one would suspect wolves.

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Titus you were rolestopped by Hoctac lmao

ya'll discussed having hoctac role stop and you doctor so why is there a surprise

Rolestop is not a roleblock.

Rolestop prevents all actions happening TO a target.

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Rolestopper

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If PB should have died n3, then Hoctac and I start d4 as the only 2 alive and wolves win.

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Fair enough. I won either way and Reck can pretend he double won.