Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Titus]

I particularly don't like Alisae's reaction to my sub in though.

[Ame]

Can I be the leader of the quest??

I'd trust PB as a leader over spring for what it's worth--not because I think spring is suspicious (spring's probably town), but because I trust PB to make better use out of being the leader than spring.

Only if you share it with me, Pink Ball. We should ration leadership out.

That said, would trust Hectic with leader even more than PB. PB, love ya to death, but you're not as obvtown as Hectic is and I got the sense that Hectic is more mechanically-minded than you so like. Hectic > PB > spring imo for leadership.

If PB is scum here, what exactly is the point of these posts?

There really is no purpose for her doing that to a buddy. If there is, I’m not seeing it.

Scum want to have one of their own as quest leader.

[Raven Branwen]

That's not what I was trying to point out. I said in this particular game it's not really worth looking at D1 associations because there was no lynch mechanic, so I would put more weight on D2 onwards.

My point is still valid based on how insistent spring was on being town leader. Like Ali has said, e doesn’t see em being scum with Farkset.

Now, had Farkset not voted to capture spring, I probably would not have wanted this slot. Scum!Farset doesn’t involuntarily capture scum!spring. Maybe there are some scum players who would do this but Farkran is definitely not one of them.

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about me. That's why I said "devil's advocate". You said "why mastina would say this about a partner" and I replied with "that was on D1"

I think scum!Mastina wouldn’t try so hard to be linked with her buddies and since she switched from you to Hectic as Quest leader in an extremely short period of time, what is the scum motivation for that, if you’re a Mastina buddy?

[Raven Branwen]

Can I be the leader of the quest??

I'd trust PB as a leader over spring for what it's worth--not because I think spring is suspicious (spring's probably town), but because I trust PB to make better use out of being the leader than spring.

Only if you share it with me, Pink Ball. We should ration leadership out.

That said, would trust Hectic with leader even more than PB. PB, love ya to death, but you're not as obvtown as Hectic is and I got the sense that Hectic is more mechanically-minded than you so like. Hectic > PB > spring imo for leadership.

If PB is scum here, what exactly is the point of these posts?

There really is no purpose for her doing that to a buddy. If there is, I’m not seeing it.

Scum want to have one of their own as quest leader.

Yes but she switched to Hectic, within it seemed seconds. Why did she switch to Hectic then?

[Ame]

Because directly pushing your partner for leader feels naked.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah I'm not buying it. It's NAI at best.

Like I said, you aren’t good at reading psychology.

Alrighty then.

VOTE: NK15

I'm going to let you get away with it this once. Let me simply make an observation. Making personal insults like that doesn't help you convince anyone. It's remarkably ironic that you alienate others while thinking about how intelligent or "good at reading psychology" you are. I have around 200 games played and have lynched more scum than you have played with. I am far ahead of you in my mafia career and if I miss something, it's more likely from a lack of interest at this point to dig into the details, not a lack of reading through WIFOM, or as you refer to it, "pSyCoLoGy". Disrespectful behavior is cringeworthy.

[Ame]

I'm having trouble finding where Raya was at L-1, could you point me to it?

[Ame]

VOTE: Pink Baller

[Ame]

It just seems to me like all the arguments right now are T v T v T v T.

[Titus]

ABR, your arrogance is showing. Speaking down to Raven makes me super disinclined to vote there. You may be more experienced but the meta has shifted towards teamwork. No one asks you to try and be a hero if you're town that is.

[Titus]

It just seems to me like all the arguments right now are T v T v T v T.

Most of the people posting are town. So it's going to feel like T v T in a lot of places.

That being said, Ali's response to me coming in looked a bit like awww shit.

[Ame]

I feel like Ali would be making an effort to survive here if e was scum.

[Raven Branwen]

Because directly pushing your partner for leader feels naked.

True but then why push him at all? Mastina is considered one of the best scum players on site. Why does she risk linking her buddy, if she wanted Hectic to be leader?

[Titus]

I feel like Ali would be making an effort to survive here if e was scum.

You do realize E's been voting a lot of different people today right?

[Raven Branwen]

Yeah I'm not buying it. It's NAI at best.

Like I said, you aren’t good at reading psychology.

Alrighty then.

VOTE: NK15

I'm going to let you get away with it this once. Let me simply make an observation. Making personal insults like that doesn't help you convince anyone. It's remarkably ironic that you alienate others while thinking about how intelligent or "good at reading psychology" you are. I have around 200 games played and have lynched more scum than you have played with. I am far ahead of you in my mafia career and if I miss something, it's more likely from a lack of interest at this point to dig into the details, not a lack of reading through WIFOM, or as you refer to it, "pSyCoLoGy". Disrespectful behavior is cringeworthy.

How is saying you’re not good at reading psychology a personal insult?

And you do realize I’m an alt, don’t you?

[Raven Branwen]

It just seems to me like all the arguments right now are T v T v T v T.

Most of the people posting are town. So it's going to feel like T v T in a lot of places.

That being said, Ali's response to me coming in looked a bit like awww shit.

The obvious problem for anyone who isn’t you, Ali or ABR, is we have no basis to judge the context of that, since Ali’s posts to you specifically referenced that.

[Titus]

It just seems to me like all the arguments right now are T v T v T v T.

Most of the people posting are town. So it's going to feel like T v T in a lot of places.

That being said, Ali's response to me coming in looked a bit like awww shit.

The obvious problem for anyone who isn’t you, Ali or ABR, is we have no basis to judge the context of that, since Ali’s posts to you specifically referenced that.

I'll give you the short version. ABR and I have fought the way you're fighting with him for years.

Alisae has put on record that she thinks I am the best town player in 2020. I don't agree with that but it makes Alisae's reaction to my sub in look off. Alisae should be expecting a nice wrap up, not dreading things.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, your arrogance is showing. Speaking down to Raven makes me super disinclined to vote there. You may be more experienced but the meta has shifted towards teamwork. No one asks you to try and be a hero if you're town that is.

I did not start this fight. I even let it slide this once. But if I'm pushed, I will push back hard. Nobody hiding behind an alt is going to lecture me about pSyColOgy. You took a psych class in college, congratulations. Don't insult a stranger. Don't try to make others feel small. All it will result in is make you look outstandingly ignorant.

[Raven Branwen]

Yeah I'm not buying it. It's NAI at best.

Like I said, you aren’t good at reading psychology.

Alrighty then.

VOTE: NK15

I'm going to let you get away with it this once. Let me simply make an observation. Making personal insults like that doesn't help you convince anyone. It's remarkably ironic that you alienate others while thinking about how intelligent or "good at reading psychology" you are. I have around 200 games played and have lynched more scum than you have played with. I am far ahead of you in my mafia career and if I miss something, it's more likely from a lack of interest at this point to dig into the details, not a lack of reading through WIFOM, or as you refer to it, "pSyCoLoGy". Disrespectful behavior is cringeworthy.

How is saying you’re not good at reading psychology a personal insult?

And you do realize I’m an alt, don’t you?

FYI, one of the objectively best scumhunters on this site has this weakness but to a lot lesser degree and I have nothing but mad respect for their talents. My point is that the only way spring could be SvS with Farkset, considering how desperate she was to be Quest leader, would have to mean it was an uncoordinated and involuntarily bus and how often in your vast mafia experience, have you witnessed this? Also, we are specifically referencing Farkset here and I know he is extremely unlikely to treat a teammate that way.

[Ame]

@Alisae, why self hammer?

[Titus]

lets hammer titus so she doesn't have to play with ABR because she does not like playing with ABR

ABR challenged me. I don't turn down a challenge from a player who thinks they can get better. Plus, I didn't want him accusing any of you of being me.

isn't it better to start a game from D1 and not a game thats 2 scum 1 town down

This is the post that pinged me the most. I subbed in and nailed a scum with my VCA immediately and turned a game away from Alisae's scumteam. Why would Ali suggest it would be better for me to come in Day 1?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Alisae should be expecting a nice wrap up, not dreading things.

Alisae lynched scum already before we replaced in, I doubt this is about you. A compliment paid to you some time ago is probably the last thing on his mind...

[Ame]

Raven, you stated that you think NK was trying to clear Knight or have reason to town read him through your flip. Do you think Fark could have been doing that with Pink ball here:454?

Also, you stated that you believe Hectic was really sabotaged because you believe Knight did the kill. Doesn't that mean that NK is probably telling the truth about forgetting to train N1? If he didn't do the kill, why would he claim this?

[Raven Branwen]

ABR, your arrogance is showing. Speaking down to Raven makes me super disinclined to vote there. You may be more experienced but the meta has shifted towards teamwork. No one asks you to try and be a hero if you're town that is.

I did not start this fight. I even let it slide this once. But if I'm pushed, I will push back hard. Nobody hiding behind an alt is going to lecture me about pSyColOgy. You took a psych class in college, congratulations. Don't insult a stranger. Don't try to make others feel small. All it will result in is make you look outstandingly ignorant.

Dude, you’re seriously blowing this way way way out of proportion and considering I know my alignment, I don’t see how that’s possible.

If you choose to “feel small” because you are egregiously misinterpreting my comments, that’s on you bud. I’m not insulting anyone, just stating what I believe to be self-evident.

[Ame]

Titus what do you think of Ali's willingness to be hammered here:

Spoiler:

I started with 1 XP. Got 2 XP last night. Spent 3 XP on an upgrade so now I'm back down to 0

lol no wonder you were ok with it. When did you upgrade? Also, let's lynch Ali.

Lol exactly, I upgraded earlier in D2
Sure VOTE: Ali

I believe that's L-1

i figured i would just take the game at my own time at my own pace.

pedit: VOTE: ali

Kill Raya ty

kill raya she flips scum 1 scum in knightmare pb if that doesn't end the game it might be creature who fucking knows

Ame
idunno what to tell ya but I don't really blame you for it

either way ur great

ill just go fuck myself then

Ginngie

I don't think I was hammered

you can hammer me <3