Micro 938: Butterfly Mafia [game over]

votato · Post Post #325 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 1:51 pm

In post 323, Hoctac wrote:Why do you ask? Are you trying to sort me or do you value my opinion? (don't blame you tbh, I won a few scummies back in the 90s)

both. im still trying to verify that you arent a very very brave scum. it also is just odd, so im curious even if you are conftown. seems like a pretty quick turnaround there.

Hoctac · Post Post #326 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 1:52 pm

Why do you think they can't both be scum?

Hoctac · Post Post #327 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 1:53 pm

I unvoted because I don't want a hammer just yet. I want to check some things with Looker. I still think Knightmare is most likely to flip scum at this current time of day (real life day, not in-game day)

votato · Post Post #328 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 1:55 pm

In post 327, Hoctac wrote:I unvoted because I don't want a hammer just yet. I want to check some things with Looker. I still think Knightmare is most likely to flip scum at this current time of day (real life day, not in-game day)

but you think if we lynch him at like 3am he'll flip town?

votato · Post Post #329 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 1:58 pm

In post 326, Hoctac wrote:Why do you think they can't both be scum?

i dunno, i buy the argument between them as genuine and desperate, like theyre trying to survive knowing theyre on the chopping block. if they were both scum then they'd try a different tactic today probably, because even if theyre successful in bussing today, there's gonna be plenty of attention on the other tomorrow. it also seems a bit too easy if a wagon got to L-2 and scum just decided "hey its d1, lets quickhammer for the lulz."

Hoctac · Post Post #330 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 2:37 pm

Looker's not voting Knightmare though. He had the chance to hammer him for a quite a while there too.

Hoctac · Post Post #331 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 2:37 pm

In post 328, votato wrote:
In post 327, Hoctac wrote:I unvoted because I don't want a hammer just yet. I want to check some things with Looker. I still think Knightmare is most likely to flip scum at this current time of day (real life day, not in-game day)
but you think if we lynch him at like 3am he'll flip town?

Exactly, that's what I was getting at. I'm gonna wait 24 hours and then hammer him at this time of day.

Looker · Post Post #332 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 2:46 pm

In post 321, Hoctac wrote:UNVOTE: Knightmare

Hey, Looker. Recti is conftown, and so am I. Were you aware of this situation?

Who do you scumread?

You and Rectiplanes are 'confirmed' informed.

In post 330, Hoctac wrote:Looker's not voting Knightmare though. He had the chance to hammer him for a quite a while there too.

You were baiting me, weren't you? Do it again.

Hoctac · Post Post #333 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 2:48 pm

Yeah, we're informed of each other being town. So, either we're both scum or town.

Why are you voting Recti still?

Hoctac · Post Post #334 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 2:49 pm

LuckyLuciano? More like LurkerLuciano

Rectiplanes · Post Post #335 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 3:35 pm

In post 325, votato wrote:
In post 323, Hoctac wrote:Why do you ask? Are you trying to sort me or do you value my opinion? (don't blame you tbh, I won a few scummies back in the 90s)
both. im still trying to verify that you arent a very very brave scum. it also is just odd, so im curious even if you are conftown. seems like a pretty quick turnaround there.

Well, let's look at the ways today plays out. Let's say we hang Knightmare. OK.

-Hang Knightmare and he flips

scum

- well, then, Hoctac and I are both confirmed town, end of story.

-Hang Knightmare and he flips

town

. OK. Scum can either NK one of us or not.

--If one of us dies from NK then again we're both mutually confirmed town.

--If the scum decide

not

to NK us - out of WIFOM motives, I suppose - the game enters a very odd reverse LyLo where the scumteam is at a massive disadvantage: if the scumteam can't fool the third townie into voting for one of us, the scumteam is in a very bad situation (work through the possibilities)

Most likely Hoctac and I are the next two NKs. But in any case, we're not scum and that should prove obvious going forward.

Rectiplanes · Post Post #336 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 3:39 pm

Offtopic, but do you have a schedule for when you change your Pokemon avatar, Hoctac?

Hoctac · Post Post #337 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 3:45 pm

...maybe. a cute pokemon avatar a day keeps the frustration at bay.

Do you like them?

votato · Post Post #338 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 3:46 pm

yeah i guess thats true, we can operate under the assumption that youre town today and wait.

Rectiplanes · Post Post #339 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 3:56 pm

Not really, I just noticed they change a lot.

Apart from that, Looker's last post gave us actual content. Still want to know who Looker looks at for scum beyond Knightmare.

Hoctac · Post Post #340 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 4:03 pm

Umlaut · Post Post #341 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 7:07 pm

In post 340, Hoctac wrote:D:

?

Knightmare491 · Post Post #342 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 9:20 pm

In post 324, votato wrote:im pretty confident that im town.

wtf is this?

Knightmare491 · Post Post #343 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 9:27 pm

In post 314, Looker wrote:Are you implying that they're scum together?

Not really, they could be. But that's not the point I'm making. He's

scum reading

me so it's convenient for him to ignore Umalaut because as scum he doesn't really care about game solving.

In post 314, Looker wrote:Then why did you put him at L-1?

To get reactions? Move that game forward? That's how mafia works?

In post 314, Looker wrote:What are the good things?

You get to end day 1 which is the best day to look back on after a scum flip. You get a free kill ASAP. Then you get town arguing among each other if it's too scummy to be scum. It's a very plausible thing for scum to do.

Knightmare491 · Post Post #344 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 9:29 pm

VOTE: votato

For now,

I can't see why a town would say "I'm pretty confident I'm town."

Knightmare491 · Post Post #345 (ISO) » Fri May 15, 2020 9:33 pm

In post 291, Rectiplanes wrote:Math says Votato is (probably) not the scum I'm looking for. Math also likes LL for town, which backs up my feelings.

Explain this math to me and don't ignore my questions.

In post 307, Knightmare491 wrote:Why do his reads have any credibility? Yeah he was town, doesn't mean that his reads were any good.

votato · Post Post #346 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2020 2:56 am

I'm pretty confident in scum.
Your move knightmare.

Also, knightmare, are you saying you didn't think hem was scum?

Rectiplanes · Post Post #347 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2020 3:35 am

In post 345, Knightmare491 wrote:Explain this math to me

No. This isn't math class, and I don't need/want silly arguments over methodology, which is what this inevitably derails into. It's a personal project; consider these reads my personally held opinion reached through judgment.

and don't ignore my questions.

I had honestly thought this was rhetorical, not a real question, but I shall answer it now.

In post 307, Knightmare491 wrote:Why do his reads have any credibility? Yeah he was town, doesn't mean that his reads were any good.

HumanEatingMonkey is confirmed town, and thus his opinions carry some weight. I have some experience of his abilities and would add more weight to them. I understand you feel there want anything to go off of on day one, and it was extraordinarily short and full of bullshitting, but there was some small actual content to work with and I believe HEM saw some of it and made some reads based on it.

Knightmare491 · Post Post #348 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2020 3:49 am

That's not really a strong argument tbh, idk about Umlaut but his read on my strikes as OMGUS more than anything and after my flip you'll know he was wrong.

Anyway, what is your read on Looker?

Knightmare491 · Post Post #349 (ISO) » Sat May 16, 2020 3:50 am

In post 172, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 155, Knightmare491 wrote:I hate shit posting, cause it's mostly annoying to read.. admittedly some of the shit posting in this game is funny. But I can't really form reads from it so I don't really like it.
the fuck is this

Cakez, what's your read on this?

Like I don't understand what he thought was wrong with this.