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Post Post #3675 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:14 am

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@mod, will either NK15 or me lose our XP before the day ends if we re-activate our upgrade requests?


I only wanted NK15 to cancel it to prove he wasn’t lying about his XP and now that it’s obvious he isn’t,
do we even actually need to cancel, if it literally won’t take effect until night or do we lose the XP immediately? Iow, how does that work?
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Post Post #3676 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:15 am

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In post 3674, Titus wrote:
In post 3673, Raven Branwen wrote:@NK15, @Titus, have you considered that the one problem with this plan is that we will be no closer to figuring out if it’s ABR or TSE?

Because I can’t see it being NK15 obviously and I know I’m town, so how are we moving any closer to solving this?
Fmpov, It's ABR or Ali and preventing ABR from tunneling you is a net positive. I'll take this compromise.
But Titus, he’s been tr me ever since Ame suggested he venge me. So he’s not tunneling me anymore.
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Post Post #3677 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:18 am

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In post 3676, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3674, Titus wrote:
In post 3673, Raven Branwen wrote:@NK15, @Titus, have you considered that the one problem with this plan is that we will be no closer to figuring out if it’s ABR or TSE?

Because I can’t see it being NK15 obviously and I know I’m town, so how are we moving any closer to solving this?
Fmpov, It's ABR or Ali and preventing ABR from tunneling you is a net positive. I'll take this compromise.
But Titus, he’s been tr me ever since Ame suggested he venge me. So he’s not tunneling me anymore.
I don’t think it’s Ali. If it’s not ABR, it’s TSE. I don’t see why scum!Ali NKs Raya.
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Post Post #3678 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:19 am

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I don’t see how I nightkill with 0 XP tbh
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Post Post #3679 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:20 am

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I trained and now i have 1 but still
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Post Post #3680 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:24 am

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If you all think it could be ABR, let him venge me. Ame won’t ever let him be lynched. Soft clearing just means I probably get NK’d anyway and Ame will lynch EVERYONE in the game before ABR, so if we all think it’s likely between ABR and TSE, I think the most sensible plan is for ABR to venge me. We could lynch TSE but I think Mastina spewed him town.

I think the one slot who needs to be cleared is ABR and who cares if I have to die to make that happen?
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Post Post #3681 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:27 am

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The catch is I don't trust town ABR.
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Post Post #3682 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:27 am

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In post 3678, Alisae wrote:I don’t see how I nightkill with 0 XP tbh
In post 3679, Alisae wrote:I trained and now i have 1 but still
Is there external evidence of your EXP level?
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Post Post #3683 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:29 am

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In post 3678, Alisae wrote:I don’t see how I nightkill with 0 XP tbh
In post 3679, Alisae wrote:I trained and now i have 1 but still
Right you claimed upgrade so you’re clear.
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Post Post #3684 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:31 am

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In post 3681, Titus wrote:The catch is I don't trust town ABR.
What do you mean? He is tr me now and not tunelling me, so what exactly are you afraid of?
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Post Post #3685 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:33 am

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In post 3684, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3681, Titus wrote:The catch is I don't trust town ABR.
What do you mean? He is tr me now and not tunelling me, so what exactly are you afraid of?
ABR shooting me.
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Post Post #3686 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:35 am

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In post 3685, Titus wrote:
In post 3684, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3681, Titus wrote:The catch is I don't trust town ABR.
What do you mean? He is tr me now and not tunelling me, so what exactly are you afraid of?
ABR shooting me.
Why do you even care? I’m fine with him shooting me. If you honestly think he’s scum here, why wouldn’t you be willing to die to get him lynched?…
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Post Post #3687 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:37 am

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In post 3686, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3685, Titus wrote:
In post 3684, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3681, Titus wrote:The catch is I don't trust town ABR.
What do you mean? He is tr me now and not tunelling me, so what exactly are you afraid of?
ABR shooting me.
Why do you even care? I’m fine with him shooting me. If you honestly think he’s scum here, why wouldn’t you be willing to die to get him lynched?…
Thinking he's scum =/= certainty he's scum. I can't jeopardize my conftown status on it either. If I was suspected, I would in a heartbeat.
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Post Post #3688 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:40 am

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Like I can definitely understand why you wouldn’t want to get mislynched. No one does but if you can take out your strongest sr by dying, why wouldn’t you?
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Post Post #3689 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:43 am

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In post 3688, Raven Branwen wrote:Like I can definitely understand why you wouldn’t want to get mislynched. No one does but if you can take out your strongest sr by dying, why wouldn’t you?
Because I can't afford the risk. This isn't the Titus show. Also, this isn't Titus v Alisae, where I live as a treestump forever. My time in this thread is limited. So is my power.

I'd rather do NK15.
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Post Post #3690 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:45 am

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In post 3687, Titus wrote:
In post 3686, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3685, Titus wrote:
In post 3684, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3681, Titus wrote:The catch is I don't trust town ABR.
What do you mean? He is tr me now and not tunelling me, so what exactly are you afraid of?
ABR shooting me.
Why do you even care? I’m fine with him shooting me. If you honestly think he’s scum here, why wouldn’t you be willing to die to get him lynched?…
Thinking he's scum =/= certainty he's scum. I can't jeopardize my conftown status on it either. If I was suspected, I would in a heartbeat.
What do you mean by jeopardizing your “confitown status”? I think you’re extremely likely to be town but literally no one is confitown here, not even Ame but he obviously comes the closest.
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Post Post #3691 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:46 am

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In post 3689, Titus wrote:
In post 3688, Raven Branwen wrote:Like I can definitely understand why you wouldn’t want to get mislynched. No one does but if you can take out your strongest sr by dying, why wouldn’t you?
Because I can't afford the risk. This isn't the Titus show. Also, this isn't Titus v Alisae, where I live as a treestump forever. My time in this thread is limited. So is my power.

I'd rather do NK15.
What risk? NK15 is obviously town. He proved that by wanting to venge me.
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Post Post #3692 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:48 am

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In post 3691, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3689, Titus wrote:
In post 3688, Raven Branwen wrote:Like I can definitely understand why you wouldn’t want to get mislynched. No one does but if you can take out your strongest sr by dying, why wouldn’t you?
Because I can't afford the risk. This isn't the Titus show. Also, this isn't Titus v Alisae, where I live as a treestump forever. My time in this thread is limited. So is my power.

I'd rather do NK15.
What risk? NK15 is obviously town. He proved that by wanting to venge me.
Want is just a claim imo.
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Post Post #3693 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:49 am

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In post 3691, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3689, Titus wrote:
In post 3688, Raven Branwen wrote:Like I can definitely understand why you wouldn’t want to get mislynched. No one does but if you can take out your strongest sr by dying, why wouldn’t you?
Because I can't afford the risk. This isn't the Titus show. Also, this isn't Titus v Alisae, where I live as a treestump forever. My time in this thread is limited. So is my power.

I'd rather do NK15.
What risk? NK15 is obviously town. He proved that by wanting to venge me.
The current plan 100% results in obvtown!NK15 dying and my being softcleared. We 100% don’t get even a possibility of a scum lynch with that.
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Post Post #3694 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:50 am

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In post 3690, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3687, Titus wrote:
In post 3686, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3685, Titus wrote:
In post 3684, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3681, Titus wrote:The catch is I don't trust town ABR.
What do you mean? He is tr me now and not tunelling me, so what exactly are you afraid of?
ABR shooting me.
Why do you even care? I’m fine with him shooting me. If you honestly think he’s scum here, why wouldn’t you be willing to die to get him lynched?…
Thinking he's scum =/= certainty he's scum. I can't jeopardize my conftown status on it either. If I was suspected, I would in a heartbeat.
What do you mean by jeopardizing your “confitown status”? I think you’re extremely likely to be town but literally no one is confitown here, not even Ame but he obviously comes the closest.
I was tracked going nowhere last night. Hence why I am close to conftown. ABR started speculating about a Godfather and ninja then.

The point is NK15 is in my pool and someone who I trust not to throw the game if town. I don't have the same trust in ABR.
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Post Post #3695 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:51 am

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In post 3692, Titus wrote:
In post 3691, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3689, Titus wrote:
In post 3688, Raven Branwen wrote:Like I can definitely understand why you wouldn’t want to get mislynched. No one does but if you can take out your strongest sr by dying, why wouldn’t you?
Because I can't afford the risk. This isn't the Titus show. Also, this isn't Titus v Alisae, where I live as a treestump forever. My time in this thread is limited. So is my power.

I'd rather do NK15.
What risk? NK15 is obviously town. He proved that by wanting to venge me.
Want is just a claim imo.
If he’s lynched, he dies, so him wanting to venge me still literally results in him dying.
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Post Post #3696 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:53 am

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In post 3695, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3692, Titus wrote:
In post 3691, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3689, Titus wrote:
In post 3688, Raven Branwen wrote:Like I can definitely understand why you wouldn’t want to get mislynched. No one does but if you can take out your strongest sr by dying, why wouldn’t you?
Because I can't afford the risk. This isn't the Titus show. Also, this isn't Titus v Alisae, where I live as a treestump forever. My time in this thread is limited. So is my power.

I'd rather do NK15.
What risk? NK15 is obviously town. He proved that by wanting to venge me.
Want is just a claim imo.
If he’s lynched, he dies, so him wanting to venge me still literally results in him dying.
Right. But if he doesn't get lynched, it's lip service.
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Post Post #3697 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:58 am

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In post 3675, Raven Branwen wrote:
@mod, will either NK15 or me lose our XP before the day ends if we re-activate our upgrade requests?


I only wanted NK15 to cancel it to prove he wasn’t lying about his XP and now that it’s obvious he isn’t,
do we even actually need to cancel, if it literally won’t take effect until night or do we lose the XP immediately? Iow, how does that work?
You don't lose the XP for upgrading until you actually learn the upgrade. It's an instantaneous effect that occurs at the end of the day (when you lose your XP and learn the upgrade and can possibly make use of it), and you can change your mind about whether you want to use it at any time during the day. Sorry about confusion regarding the timing.
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Post Post #3698 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 10:59 am

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In post 3694, Titus wrote:
In post 3690, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3687, Titus wrote:
In post 3686, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3685, Titus wrote:
In post 3684, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3681, Titus wrote:The catch is I don't trust town ABR.
What do you mean? He is tr me now and not tunelling me, so what exactly are you afraid of?
ABR shooting me.
Why do you even care? I’m fine with him shooting me. If you honestly think he’s scum here, why wouldn’t you be willing to die to get him lynched?…
Thinking he's scum =/= certainty he's scum. I can't jeopardize my conftown status on it either. If I was suspected, I would in a heartbeat.
What do you mean by jeopardizing your “confitown status”? I think you’re extremely likely to be town but literally no one is confitown here, not even Ame but he obviously comes the closest.
I was tracked going nowhere last night. Hence why I am close to conftown. ABR started speculating about a Godfather and ninja then.

The point is NK15 is in my pool and someone who I trust not to throw the game if town. I don't have the same trust in ABR.
Who claimed to track you? I must have missed that? I think I’m probably the only one he can softclear as town, due to us having both 4 XP but my point, is we don’t get even the possibility of a scum lynch out of it. NK15 dies and I probably get NK’d and no scumflip. I think scum!NK15 would want me to be venged by ABR rather than himself, since wanting to softclear a slot is town indicative, especially if he has to give his life to make that happen.
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Post Post #3699 (ISO) » Thu May 21, 2020 11:01 am

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In post 3697, Professor Moriarty wrote:
In post 3675, Raven Branwen wrote:
@mod, will either NK15 or me lose our XP before the day ends if we re-activate our upgrade requests?


I only wanted NK15 to cancel it to prove he wasn’t lying about his XP and now that it’s obvious he isn’t,
do we even actually need to cancel, if it literally won’t take effect until night or do we lose the XP immediately? Iow, how does that work?
You don't lose the XP for upgrading until you actually learn the upgrade. It's an instantaneous effect that occurs at the end of the day (when you lose your XP and learn the upgrade and can possibly make use of it), and you can change your mind about whether you want to use it at any time during the day. Sorry about confusion regarding the timing.
So iow, both NK15 don’t need to cancel our upgrades and he can still softclear me?

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