Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 4.1

Target	Wagon
Not Voting (5)	Tiger Shark, The Limit Does Not Exist, skitter30, GuiltyLion, BBmolla

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2020-06-06 23:05:59).

[BBmolla]

I kind of just think it's Titus/Skitter :/

I'm more confident on Skitter, but idk, everyone's play todays makes sense with that scumteam, in all other cases it's a bit awkward.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

No prod pls

We should lynch whichever of the two of them is more likely scum, just in case something changes, even though it probably won't matter.

-Smart

[northsidegal]

Prodding GuiltyLion.

[skitter30]

Will be here later today !

[Tiger Shark]

Alright. I am in a mood today. I plan on coming back and finding who is the third town that isn't Skitter and persuading you to vote scum. I'm actually going to read this thread from front to back. I want to win this game, not just be correct. After all, what good is being correct if no one believes my rationale in being correct? So, I'll get started on that later today or tomorrow.

~Titus

[GuiltyLion]

sorry 4 prod, felt like the whole game was on V/LA

I think I'd rather lynch Titus first for the following reasons:
- I think there must be scum on Acryon wagon
- Misrepresented me as I described in 1874, as we're down to 5p I have to think this is strongly indicative
- Saus slip (suggested he saw the soft, then later denied that he saw the soft) caught by Auro

[Tiger Shark]

This last post by GuiltyLion has me thinking he might be town, which poses a huge problem for me.

If GL was scum and Skitter town, which is my current thinking, there's little reason for GL to push for a Titus lynch today. He could merely join Limit and BBMolla on a Skitter lynch today.

The only way that push benefits GL scum is if GL is scum with Skitter. My lynch would accelerate the victory or he could bus and claim victory tomorrow. However, GL's posting only makes sense if he's scum with Skitter.

If GL is scum with Skitter, then that poses a different sort of problem. That means both Limit and Molla are town and both have me as a higher partner than GL.

Of course, this doesn't factor in GL town. If GL is town and Skitter is town, then by PoE the team must be Limit/Molla. I haven't liked that team for a few reasons. Namely that none of them actually encouraged my GL push earlier in the game.

So that leads me to Skitter being scum, but I hate that conclusion too.

Basically, I feel like we're fucked but I refuse to accept that either.

[BBmolla]

sorry 4 prod, felt like the whole game was on V/LA

I think I'd rather lynch Titus first for the following reasons:
- I think there must be scum on Acryon wagon
- Misrepresented me as I described in 1874, as we're down to 5p I have to think this is strongly indicative
- Saus slip (suggested he saw the soft, then later denied that he saw the soft) caught by Auro

who is Titus's partner

[skitter30]

i mean doesn't that argue against skitter/titus from your pov?

Yes, but my point is that it doesn't argue against it strongly enough for me to change my mind about it being the most likely. I played a game not too long ago where scum left me alive all the way to F3 as a confirmed mason who claimed D2, and my reads were not fantastic but it's not like they were awful and my solve going into F3 was correct.

-Smart

i mean, why'd they leave you alive then?

[skitter30]

also i think gl may have scumslipped in twilight

what, because I forgot that there's no PT on a scum flip?

This is a really shitty push lol

if I'm scum and I know Eve is flipping town,

I would have bee aware that there will be a PT and this knowledge would be something only scum have

, and I don't comment about it at all

i mean, scum mess up sometimes too ...

[skitter30]

I prefer Skitter over Titus today I think

skitter being cw to Eve and the way the wagon flipped over to Eve is indicative of skit scum

also the paranoia about Limit reads kinda fake

- elaborate on why the wagon is indicative of scum!me
- and you're not questioning why mt dies over town!limit here? why auro dies over town!limit here? like one of the two i can understand, both it's starting to become weird

[skitter30]

also I think the post-Allo NKs in this game should exonerate me unless you want to say it's all WIFOM specifically so I can make this argument now in LYLO

Auro was townreading me and pushing Skit
MT was coming around to townreading me, we just closely worked together in a prior game, and was the only other person off wagon yesterday
I've been strongly townreading Limit all game

if I'm scum I'm giving myself a much harder F5 than a hypothetical one of like, Auro, Molla, MT, myself, Titus

i don't think that the mt kill points anyhwere in particular other than the fact that tit's weird that they died over limit

also to indicate that the mt kill exonorates you is pretty weird given that they were undecided on multiple levels and you were pretty firmly in their list of potential solves; it doesn't exonorate anyone imo

and you and auro were getting into repeated things
if anything scum!you townreading limit all game and having limit townread you explains why they're not dead tbh

[skitter30]

Goddamnit

I really wanted to die

same, this is a shitshow

[skitter30]

bbmolla what's your solve rn ?
you promised it in the hood but it doesn't seem to have materialized

[skitter30]

Skitter - question for you though, if you're town and I'm scum, why don't I just push for your lynch significantly harder yesterday

-you're a harder lynch and a bigger threat
-if you're lynched it's very easy to chain that into Eve mislynch for the win in 5p
-if Eve is lynched instead of you anyway, gives me a convenient trajectory into LYLO, instead of whatever this mess here is

this might be a weird question but do you think you can mislynch me?

[skitter30]

like the entire foundation for Skitter's Titus townread was she didn't think Eve/Titus were lolbussing eachother

Eve flips town

where's the re-evaluation on Titus

well more that i think she actually believes in her vca and she's just so stubborn and indignant about it taht i think it comes from town even though her conclusions have been kinda hit or miss

and the eve/titus thing was more that titus's pov/progression on eve mirrored my own and that made me give her +townpoints and made me think it was unlikely that she was bussing eve since there were like ... so many other places that she could have pushed that day

it is lylo so i do need to reconsider but atm i think you're scummier than she is, and you/bb make more sense to me than titus being scum.

also titus + bbmolla would be weird given the start of day3 and how she started pushing him after the acryon lynch

[skitter30]

I think Titus/Skitter is probably more likely, but it means Titus/Skitter just all in committed to hardtownreading eachother and that still feels a little strange given the gamestate and the likelihood one of them gets lynched, I don't usually see that from scum

again literally never a play i do as scum here

[skitter30]

I am currently having a battle with depression. I am not VLA but please be understanding if I don't post as well as I usually do. This is NAI. I will try to hang in there for one more game day but if my depression gets worse, I may sub out. I am taking it day by day. If I do sub out, it will be across all games.

Xpost all games

~Titus

i am sorry to hear that, depression sucks, and i hope you feel better soon!

[skitter30]

I kind of just think it's Titus/Skitter :/

I'm more confident on Skitter, but idk, everyone's play todays makes sense with that scumteam, in all other cases it's a bit awkward.

ok, why:
- is gl town?
- am i scum?
- am i scum with titus?

[skitter30]

No prod pls

We should lynch whichever of the two of them is more likely scum, just in case something changes, even though it probably won't matter.

-Smart

does this not scare anyone that me/titus might be tvt ??? ^

[skitter30]

sorry 4 prod, felt like the whole game was on V/LA

I think I'd rather lynch Titus first for the following reasons:
- I think there must be scum on Acryon wagon
- Misrepresented me as I described in 1874, as we're down to 5p I have to think this is strongly indicative
- Saus slip (suggested he saw the soft, then later denied that he saw the soft) caught by Auro

- from my pov you're the most likely scum on the acryon wagon, and you're the reason why that wagon happened pretty much imo
- i think that titus, while misapplying vca, believes that she's right there and that's why she's so indignant about it. i think she as scum is more self-aware and makes sure that her theories are more both more consistent and more palpatable
- saus didn't slip

[skitter30]

If GL was scum and Skitter town, which is my current thinking, there's little reason for GL to push for a Titus lynch today. He could merely join Limit and BBMolla on a Skitter lynch today.

i mean he's been flip-flopping back and forth, as have p much all 3 of them

again whichever town is in {limit/bb/gl} do you guys not realize that the other two are being super wishy-washy about which of {me/titus} are lynched ? is that not a red flag that we're both town and that scum don't care who get lynched ?

[GuiltyLion]

also i think gl may have scumslipped in twilight

what, because I forgot that there's no PT on a scum flip?

This is a really shitty push lol

if I'm scum and I know Eve is flipping town,

I would have bee aware that there will be a PT and this knowledge would be something only scum have

, and I don't comment about it at all

i mean, scum mess up sometimes too ...

my point though is that if I were scum I'd be aware that this is a potential way I could mess up, because I'd be much more aware of the fact that I know Eve's alignment and I also know that there

is

going to be a neighborhood created. I wouldn't be firing off reckless takes about a neighborhood because I'd be aware that this could give away knowledge of Eve's alignment.

The alternate explanation where I'm town is I believed Eve was scum and simply forgot how the neighborhoods work, which in my mind makes a lot more sense as to why I'd post anything the way I did. If I am scum I don't even twilight post, I'm pretty sure I can back this with meta if needed.

[GuiltyLion]

sorry 4 prod, felt like the whole game was on V/LA

I think I'd rather lynch Titus first for the following reasons:
- I think there must be scum on Acryon wagon
- Misrepresented me as I described in 1874, as we're down to 5p I have to think this is strongly indicative
- Saus slip (suggested he saw the soft, then later denied that he saw the soft) caught by Auro

who is Titus's partner

I prefer Skitter over Titus today I think

skitter being cw to Eve and the way the wagon flipped over to Eve is indicative of skit scum

also the paranoia about Limit reads kinda fake

- elaborate on why the wagon is indicative of scum!me
- and you're not questioning why mt dies over town!limit here? why auro dies over town!limit here? like one of the two i can understand, both it's starting to become weird

you were the counterwagon to Eve. Did you address my post about why I don't just lynch you if I'm scum, and I think that logic applies to literally any scumteam where both you and Eve are town

I am sorta questioning it but I don't think it makes Limit more likely scum. IMO it either indicates that
-scum think Limit will vote the desired mislynch today or
-scum is Skit/Titus feeling cornered and hoping a weird NK as a Hail Mary play may help steer 5p elsewhere