In post 1102, Hoctac wrote:Just the fact Roses and Penpow were cool with Kilga at the start of the day. Should look at who of the two of [Roses,Penpow] started pushing Kilga first, and who tagged along, since if Kilga is scum, his partner is most likely the person who was second in scumreading him. Since at that point, we have you + 1st person scumreading him, so scum buddy might feel like they have to bus.
Saying we were cool with Kilga at start of day, and then shading for turning on him but not taking into account actual reasons as to why?
I feel this is really just Hoctac + Kilga who are trying to end it here and now. I think I was spot-on about Tux being their target all along. Hoctac is clearly trying to break up the townreads on Tux.
In post 1015, Kilgamayan wrote:Truth be told, I didn't know for sure what PP's entire argument against me was when I pledged to write you the list you requested. PP's posting style being lots of short posts makes it hard for me to determine full cases from them. (I try to put together longer, more infrequent posts with points organized as best I can because I think it makes my cases clearer.) If an easy summary of it is possible then I'd be glad to re-examine. (Whether that changes my mind or not would depend on the volume and strength of any parts of the case, of course.)
again, why don't you ask?
I will ask PP about the Koba Wagon thing in my next post (don't want it to get lost in this long one), but in this particular instance, I am also interested in what you specifically think PP's case against me is, since the wording of your initial response implied you think I missed something, and I want to know what that thing is.
To clarify as best I think I can, that statement implies that the stuff I listed in 1003 doesn't mention PP's main point against me. I'm asking what that main point then is.
The point is that PP hasn't actually done any valid scumhunting until everyone else did a bunch of work on me and gave him something very safe and easy to jump on. You don't see a problem with this at all?
If we're going to lynch Kilga, can we go ahead and do that so I can hammer? I don't think people are changing their minds and we have less than a day at this point.
I mean - I don't have to be, I'm just saying that I'm not worried about Kilga being town so I'm happy to be.
Don't really care about the exchange tbh. I didn't really get much from it to change my view as it's just a rehash and Kilga shading me with an incorrect statement.
That I haven't done any valid scumhunting until everyone else did the legwork on him. It's actually ironic given his use of "playstyle" as a defense for himself earlier.
I just finished ISOing you, and I have to agree I see you do with Kilga what happened with Koba, which seems more playstyle indictive than scum indictive.
I also still can't drop Kilga's dropping of me which might be tunneling but I can't see the town mindset in it. Also, Hoctac's all over the place reads while maintaining Kilga near the top feels like the scum team trying to secure a lynch on you.
for someone who keeps insisting Tux is scum, you agree with him an awfull lot
What's the point of this misrep when it's so easily disprovable? I don't really have any scumreads, and I've been scumreading you/Penpow for longer periods than Tuxey today. Also, see:
In post 1111, Hoctac wrote:But they're very jumbled and close together in my head. I'm sure of very little and that's very worrying.
In post 1121, Hoctac wrote:I've never been so lost in a LyLo where I don't have any real scumreads. It's a frustrating feeling. Anyway, I'm out.
In post 1142, Tuxedo Mask wrote:I also still can't drop Kilga's dropping of me which might be tunneling but I can't see the town mindset in it. Also, Hoctac's all over the place reads while maintaining Kilga near the top feels like the scum team trying to secure a lynch on you.
You think Kilga and I would be so blatant about it? That even after all 3 of you want to lynch Kilga, I'll still be defending him and going for anyone but him? That's a terrible losing strategy if we're scum.
In post 1142, Tuxedo Mask wrote:I also still can't drop Kilga's dropping of me which might be tunneling but I can't see the town mindset in it. Also, Hoctac's all over the place reads while maintaining Kilga near the top feels like the scum team trying to secure a lynch on you.
You think Kilga and I would be so blatant about it? That even after all 3 of you want to lynch Kilga, I'll still be defending him and going for anyone but him? That's a terrible losing strategy if we're scum.
I think it might be reasonable risk as you guys only need to convince me or Roses to lynch PP instead. And if your scum that means all remaining town have a 50/50 chance to be bombs, so if one of you gets lynched it sets it up that likely the best your team can hope for is a tie. But this is something we can discuss tomorrow.
