micro 951 mystery box of silver gnine: well we're done here.

[skitter30]

are you just trying to say that the claim is nai and may or may not be true?

[votato]

^exactly skitter. my TR is based on the claim which seems like a really dumb play to come from scum. its a mechanical read. you dispute the mechanical read for mechanical reasons but now you're saying the mechanics are simply NAI?

town lean on hari withdrawn. you can be null with a few scumpoints for your avatar and your weirdo brain. for what its worth i like weirdo brains irl

[hari]

are you just trying to say that the claim is nai and may or may not be true?

yes. i am saying that the claim is not alignment indicative and may not be true.

[skitter30]

that was a ... very confusing way to try to say that

[votato]

yeah at first it sounded like you were saying we should view the claim as AI and scum-indicative. hmmmm
HMMMMMMMMM

[hari]

that was a ... very confusing way to try to say that

sorry

yeah at first it sounded like you were saying we should view the claim as AI and scum-indicative. hmmmm
HMMMMMMMMM

i said explicitly that it isn't scum indicative for hectic to fake claim:

i think the similarities make it less likely to be true here and that it isn't scum indicative for hectic to fake claim at the start of a game as he has done so in multiple games. sometimes i am busy and sometimes i do not see something i would like to comment on.

[skitter30]

yeah taht's what i thought to
i thought you were objecting to votato cuz you were saying it was scummy of hectic to claim that way

i'm not sure this is scummy of hari tho, or if it was a very poor attempt at communicating something

[skitter30]

i feel like if olorin doesn't walk back the claim it's probably townie because taht's a p ~bold~ claim to make as scum (i.e. specifically the potential to become ic bit)

[Nahdia]

i mean, yes, exactly this. your post explained in more detail where u were coming from. i can see the progression of your logic.

i'm kinda confused where you don't see the progression of my logic

i dont really buy that a towny would think "this tell is faked" on page 1. a serious vote on page 1 is always going to be somewhat "iffy", the fact that your mind jumps to "fake" rather than "wrong" doesn't make sense from a town perspective to me.

anyway gotta dash. got a job interview.

but even if you like the way i laid out my reasoning better, i made exactly the same logical leap there.

did you? maybe i misread you but this was my interpretation of events:

fishy:

here is a meme

nahdia:

i think meme is scummy

skitter:

i think it's not scummy, and that makes me think you're scum

votato:

regardless of whether it's scummy, i think reacting to meme in that way is more scummy

but would town feel the need to prepare something?

what did you think of olorin's opening?

pretty much exactly what votato and skitter have said. likely comes from town. if he is scum, the dehydrated claim is likely still true, though perhaps not with the same outcomes. cant see scum fakeclaiming something reliant on another role like that.

[skitter30]

skitter: i think it's not scummy, and that makes me think you're scum

i think this is an inaccurate representation of my position

[Nahdia]

{Wooper}
{votato, Olorin}
{hari}
{Fishy Logic, skitter50}

skitter: i think it's not scummy, and that makes me think you're scum

i think this is an inaccurate representation of my position

maybe. i noticed you later referring to it as a pressure vote, which isn't the impression i got from the way you were referring to my posts. but i'll bite: got anything out of your pressure?

[hari]

pretty much exactly what votato and skitter have said. likely comes from town. if he is scum, the dehydrated claim is likely still true, though perhaps not with the same outcomes. cant see scum fakeclaiming something reliant on another role like that.

i guess i don't understand why you (and others) are so willing to accept that the claim is truthful, but this probably isn't alignment indicative as i've had prior experience with hectic making a claim of this sort and it being generally met with acceptance. i have been viewing it very similarly to fishy logic's post (as a prepared opener) instead of as a real claim.

[skitter30]

maybe. i noticed you later referring to it as a pressure vote, which isn't the impression i got from the way you were referring to my posts. but i'll bite: got anything out of your pressure?

it was more of a pressure/pushing vote than anything else. it didn't really indicate a scumread at the time
i don't really like your reaction tho

and @hari claiming something that can make you ic feels like a thing scum probably doesn't do imo?

and i hope your job interview went well !

[Fishy Logic]

{Wooper}
{votato, Olorin}
{hari}
{Fishy Logic, skitter50}

can you elaborate on the wooper and my slot's read (other than obviously the meme thing)?

-D

[hari]

and @hari claiming something that can make you ic feels like a thing scum probably doesn't do imo?

but why not? like if olorin says 'give me enough water and i will become an ic' and there isn't a water mechanic, what is the risk?

[skitter30]

ah. good point. it feels like a weird thing to make up entirely out of nowhere tho, like the last time it was at least partially related to his real role

[Nahdia]

well, if olorin walks the claim back and says it was just to generate conversation, he'll be right back to null for me. im certainly not advocating for clearing him, but it's been my experience that page 1 claims are rarely scum. and like i said, i think the mechanics around the claim (i'll die if no one hydrates me before n1) really don't sound like something scum would fakeclaim. a sample of potential scenarios:

• olorin is town, and the claim is real.
  
• olorin is scum, and the claim is totally fabricated. i think this is unlikely because of how he claimed he'll die n1 if he's not hydrated. it seems to presuppose there is another role in the game that can hydrate.
  
• olorin is scum, but the dehydrated claim is true. i can see us being in this world. i dont think scum would have a role that could suicide n1, and obviously the IC would need to be fake in this scenario. but it's possible he gets something good out of being hydrated, and wants to direct a role that can do so towards him.

maybe. i noticed you later referring to it as a pressure vote, which isn't the impression i got from the way you were referring to my posts. but i'll bite: got anything out of your pressure?

it was more of a pressure/pushing vote than anything else. it didn't really indicate a scumread at the time
i don't really like your reaction tho!

okay, well again, that's really not the impression i got. ill go back and try to recall my thoughts at the time. but what about my reaction do you not like?

{Wooper}
{votato, Olorin}
{hari}
{Fishy Logic, skitter50}

can you elaborate on the wooper and my slot's read (other than obviously the meme thing)?

-D

Wooper's posts all read genuine to me. stuff like 47 feels like how town scumhunts. he's been unabashaed about throwing his vote around wildly.
the intro post thing really doesn't factor in. is worth noting that my reads on yourself and skitter are weak (though thinking about it more, i might put skitter below you). my read on you is mostly gut. i didnt like the way you buddied up to skitter in 39. the read is fine, but just the wording pinged me a little.

[Nahdia]

but would town feel the need to prepare something?

the more i think about this the more i dislike it, i think

i'm not sure if i know how to articulate why the 'would town feel the need to prepare something' bit is bothering me but it just seems like a strange take
like i'm not sure that 'feeling the need to prepare something' correlates to alignment in any way and the assumption is that scum (and not town) might feel that need is a little strange to me

i'm not sure if i explained that well but tldr

it's a weird take that i don't really like

wooper is that what you were thinking about fishy's entrance as well

i don't really like this take

so i think i'm going to start here for now

VOTE: nahdia

you kind of harped on not liking my reason for voting, a lot. it didn't feel like a "oh i just want to pressure you" vote based on what a major deal you seemed to be making over it. thats why i thought you were scumreading me. i suppose the phrase "i think i'm going to start here for now" does lend some credence to your point that it was purely for pressure. but that's what i was looking at anyway.

[hari]

ah. good point. it feels like a weird thing to make up entirely out of nowhere tho, like the last time it was at least partially related to his real role

i don't think it would be out of nowhere as the game is called (at least in signups it was) a jolly drought and the claim seems to be based on last game.

olorin is town, and the claim is real.
olorin is scum, and the claim is totally fabricated. i think this is unlikely because of how he claimed he'll die n1 if he's not hydrated. it seems to presuppose there is another role in the game that can hydrate.
olorin is scum, but the dehydrated claim is true. i can see us being in this world. i dont think scum would have a role that could suicide n1, and obviously the IC would need to be fake in this scenario. but it's possible he gets something good out of being hydrated, and wants to direct a role that can do so towards him.

olorin is town and the claim is fake is a definite possibility. hectic maintained the fake aspects of his claim in mystery box hate alongside the real aspect for almost the entirety of the game and he maintained a fake claim in blitz 2 until he died in the night, both as town.

[Nahdia]

yeah i guess that's also possible, but im less interested in analyzing that for now.

[skitter30]

@ nahdia:
- the level of escalation seemed weird and out of touch with what i did/said
- the distinction you're drawing between what i said and what votato said seems arbitrary

like your actual reason for voting fishy for the meme post was ok but as you elaborated on it it felt forced so i pushed there, and then that just escalated in a p strange way and it doesn't really seem to match up with how you're viewing other people

also wrt hectic ... i guess if the claim is true there's a decent chance it just resolves itself?

[Nahdia]

i.... dont see how it's arbitrary at all. what you two did is like, totally different.

[Nahdia]

....rvs is exactly the time vague scumtells should be applied? because there's not much else to go on?

except another scumtell is not being able to pick up on or appreciate humor, especially rvs humor. although i dont want to give that attempt at humor too much credit. and i think that one is more reliable.

votato sites a scumtell as his reason to vote me. clear distinction from your behavior towards me.

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