Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

[UnaBombaH]

No - why doesn't he target Agar, then say that Hoopla is on Agar.

Because then it's a fakeclaim that gets Prana 100% killed.
Now there's this 5% window that even you are considering.

I'm starting to believe that Prana is just VI and not scum because the scum motivations for this move are becoming ever increasingly small. At the same time, the town motivations for this move are also very small.

Think of it like this - if scum!Prana claims to have targeted AGar, and seen someone - they would get killed 100% of the time after the guilty is proven false.
If Prana claims to have been blocked, it's pretty much the same as it is now, but it raises the questions of why Flippy wasn't blocked N1, why AGar would'nt have been blocked N2 to be sure, etc etc.
It also awakens the thought process of "we should just make sure and lynch Prana today because we won't be getting a result from them anymore".
So they decided to take cover behind the talk of WIFOM, and having an obv.town in me.

But read what I posted earlier.
I was objectively less of a conf.town last night than AGar was, AND AGar had a powerful role for scum to want neutralized.
What Prana is saying might come across as a "stubborn VI" sure, but that is also the only reasonable escape-path for scum!Prana at this point.

[UnaBombaH]

Do you think we should consider mass claiming?

Not at this point, no.

[Hoopla]

good thing we didn't lynch this unabombah guy!

[UnaBombaH]

I sometimes wonder...is it possible I COULD be helpful every game?

[UnaBombaH]

Also...there might come a time when I might be the only one not wanting you dead Hoopla.

[UnaBombaH]

BTW, where the hell is CoolDoG?
I definitely want their stance on things before we end the day.

[brassherald]

VoteCount 3.02

PranaDevil (5):

bob3141, notscience, Hiraki, Hoopla, Battle Mage

Hoopla (1):

Pranadevil

Not Voting (4):

Emperor flippyNips, UnaBombaH, CooLDoG, Gypyx

Keep it civil.
With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2020-07-06 07:30:00)

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[Hoopla]

Also...there might come a time when I might be the only one not wanting you dead Hoopla.

such is my fate.

solve the game before town gets too paranoid about me!

[UnaBombaH]

Once Prana flips red, the last scum is in notscience / CoolDoG / Battle Mage / Hoopla.
Roughly in that order - Battle Mage potentially being a scum!Doc has been in my mind ever since Flippy claimed. (but like said, not a discussion for today)
That's still a pool of four, so I need to do better, but there's still the off-chance that Prana flips green, so I'm holding my breath until I see the results.

UnaB, Hiraki, Flippy, bob are my lock-towns.
Kudos to any and all of them for their performance if they end up being scum!

Gypyx is the remaining slot, and I do not like the fact that they went from looking like scum, to looking like a VI, to being non-existent in this game.
They are the flippy-flop that scum want in LyLo if they ever get there - it's been written on the wall ever since D1.

[Hiraki]

I'd like to switch CooLDoG and Bob tbh and switch notscience and BM's placement.

[PranaDevil]

ou announced, loudly in thread, that Agar was protected. That meant the entire role of mine was suddenly WIFOM that night.

So you did

not

believe that he would be protected but still thought there was now WIFOM because someone said he would be protected but you did not believe that person anyway?

For fucks sake. I'll make this very simple.

notscience said "I" should protect Agar.

Not another PR, there was no mention of another PR to look at Agar.

Nobody said they would protect Agar

Nobody said he would be protected by another PR.

Are you understanding things now?

"I" am the PR.

There is no claimed Doc. There is no other PR that has been claimed that would protect him.

It became WIFOM because notscience made a thing about who I should protect and thus turned the entire thing into WIFOM where he could attack me no matter what happened.

But see the later seems a little more advanced for a VI. He would also guarantee death for tomorrow or scum is now plotting to leave him alive, if we leave him alive. But if you think down that far, then you're also going into the territory that now Prana doesn't know how to effectively use his PR ability, is an easy opportunistic mislynch if he's not scum, and basically serves no usefulness for the town.

At the end, I think this is a necessary lynch before any LYLO shenanigans if he is town and a win if he is scum. I think I am settled again.

How the fuck does lynching a town PR "just because" make any fucking sense? Jesus wept this town.

SO WHAT MAKES MATTERS EVEN WORSE FOR PRANA?

Prana claims to have gotten a result. No one visited me last night.
Meaning that scum didn't roleblock Prana.
Meaning that scum risked missing a kill + GETTING GUILTIED in the process.

Erm..

Who said scum had a roleblocker to begin with? I have not seen that mentioned anywhere...

Once Prana flips red, the last scum is in notscience / CoolDoG / Battle Mage / Hoopla.
Roughly in that order - Battle Mage potentially being a scum!Doc has been in my mind ever since Flippy claimed. (but like said, not a discussion for today)
That's still a pool of four, so I need to do better, but there's still the off-chance that Prana flips green, so I'm holding my breath until I see the results.

UnaB, Hiraki, Flippy, bob are my lock-towns.
Kudos to any and all of them for their performance if they end up being scum!

Gypyx is the remaining slot, and I do not like the fact that they went from looking like scum, to looking like a VI, to being non-existent in this game.
They are the flippy-flop that scum want in LyLo if they ever get there - it's been written on the wall ever since D1.

Fucking hell Una...

BM was confirmed safe by Flippy.

Hoopla and notscience and are the scummiest here. Hoopla for trying to out PRs all game, and notscience for deliberately setting it up to WIFOM my slot.

The only conf-town now is yourself, Flippy and BM. That's it.

[UnaBombaH]

Erm..

Who said scum had a roleblocker to begin with? I have not seen that mentioned anywhere...

That's the only thing you found worth commenting on from what I said? Really?
The speculation about a potential scum!Roleblocker is there in my post only to show you, that EVEN IF scum would have a roleblocker, it would've been best for the town!Watcher to watch AGar.
The more you keep arguing against that point, or try to redirect my points to something else, the more I feel like you are just scum and made an error with your fakeclaim.

Fucking hell Una...

BM was confirmed safe by Flippy.

Nope, not for 100% certain to me.
I believe in "soft" guilties and innos with roles like Flippys.
And my read on Battle Mage, unfortunately, is still wavering a little.
Same way you can all still call me +90% town if you want to - I am not absolutely and undeniably conf.town yet.
But one of Una/Flippy/BM is, and from there we can draw some conclusions, so splitting hairs isn't absolutely necessary today either.

Hoopla and notscience and are the scummiest here. Hoopla for trying to out PRs all game, and notscience for deliberately setting it up to WIFOM my slot.

If you flip green, I promise these are the two slots I am going after as well.
And if you flip red, I feel like my read on Hoopla was correct all along, and I'll continue my PoE from there.

[PranaDevil]

Una. Think long and hard about my claim of Watcher.

It is not even possible for it to be fake.

I claimed early both days. A fake claim would not risk doing so, because if ANYONE targeted them then I would be insta-lynched. I only know nobody targeted you last night (this includes all town PRs too) because you were not targeted. I cannot just guess that.

[UnaBombaH]

Scum!Watcher is not impossible.

[PranaDevil]

Ah yes, I'm announcing my stuff in thread to help scum, clearly.

Jesus wept.

[UnaBombaH]

Man, you really are trying to paint a picture, rather than talk about things the way they are.
You were "forced" to claim, truthful or fake, when you were close to being lynched.

[PranaDevil]

Yep, after Hoopla had already managed to get a wagon on another PR and outed them... and with her trying to run up multiple wagons on D1, constantly.

That''s simply a fact.

[notscience]

That’s a lie, hoopla got on the wagon after prana claimed.

[notscience]

Re formatting for clarity

I'm voting una because I want to and he isn't the best player and the reads and analyis. I agree with prama that the people on the wagon are probably bad faith actors, but fuck it at this point it.

Prama hopping to defend based upon secondary reasons is kinda garbage as well...

Not really.

It's a late wagon, clearly built to get people off the original wagons, in which BOTH of the original wagons are on... Nobody is going to tell me that scum is going to create a second wagon to compete with their own, and have it be a scum wagon as well... so if I believe both Gobbledy AND Hoopla are scum, as I do... there's a zero percent chance Una is.

I'll still take an Una lynch over no lynch as it gives info, but the fact two of my three scum reads are on him, AND they both got the wagon going under bullshit reasoning... nah, there be scum on that wagon.

after doing outside work cleaning up construction materials.

fuck it

VOTE: una

This is a bad post, look at who's on the wagon ffs.

man. Why did I just get a scum read on prama so late into the day?

Point being in less than 24 we see that prama has went from doing basically a soft chainsaw on una to going along with the wagon and downplaying the scumminess of the wagon that he mentioned previously. Very strange behavior. IF una flips scum, I think pressuring prama wouldn't be the worst idea for this post. Also notice the soft bus here. He doesn't go so far as to vote for una, but decides, ahh, hell, fuck it, let him eat rope after expressing that the wagon was bad previously.

Oh fuck off.

Seriously people?

who is adamantly against an espe lynch?

Mate... day one the only lynch I'm adamantly against is my own.

I will take a lynch of Una OVER NO LYNCH

My comments do not fucking contradict each other, and I would check my wagon if I flip for scum, because holy fucking fuck that grew fast over complete bullshit.

Also... just because I may be L-1... not fucking sure because people decided to be moronic late in D1...

I'm a watcher for fuck's sake... So well done for forcing a claim and helping Hoopla and co.

And before anyone says otherwise, I even deliberately crumbed earlier (though, my eyesight issue was correct).

Okay... I'm having a weird day, and my brain just isn't working right (Nor are my eyes... but that's a diabetes issue with me not taking my medication properly, so I apologise if it takes a little while to focus... I'm struggling to see much of anything, should be fixed soon,

watch

this space)... so would anyone mind correcting me if I've got any of this wrong?

in a una-town universe, i think there must be something pretty wrong with my reads.

why derail a safe mislynch in una to bus prana?

What the actual cuck?
"Safe mislynch"?

I mean.... good catch

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hoopla

i'm off for a while. someone else can take over the yelling

VOTE: prana

[notscience]

Hoopla had literally nothing to do with your wagon it was al me and cooldog.

[Battle Mage]

Once Prana flips red, the last scum is in notscience / CoolDoG / Battle Mage / Hoopla.

I'm cop-confirmed town dude. How you've managed to get down to a lynch pool of 4 which includes me, is baffling. As I recall, nobody has given a single reason to suggest I'm scum, and I've been cleared by the cop.

Wake me up when it's morning...

UNVOTE:

[UnaBombaH]

I'm cop-confirmed town dude.

You've been confirmed not to have a gun.
Mafia!Doctor doesn't have a gun for gunsmith to see.
So no, neither of us is "cop confirmed".

[brassherald]

Slipping in here

[brassherald]

It's so close for a change

[brassherald]

And I can take it