Newbie 617 (Over!)

[clammy]

That's fine, the time has mostly passed but i mostly wanted to be sure you weren't looking for an excuse to string up Qman, I was mostly taking 657 to be my answer to that question anyway.

Flay, given you're currently holding a bit of a power card, what are your present thoughts? I take it it's Darla for you? - Or was the end of 657 mostly about getting her to be helpful to the town in responding?

[Darox]

I've been wondering.

Qman, what would you do if Darla flipped town?

Clammy, what you would you do if Darla flipped scum? If I flipped town?
Brandi, what would you do if Darla flipped scum? If I flipped town?

Call it idle curiosity.

[Mr. Flay]

I'm still reading, but yeah, at this point I'm

leaning

Darla. I can find little purchase in analyzing the wagon(s) on Bazza, frankly, because nearly EVERYone was on his case at some point. So I have to go with what looks like buddying and/or stalling, and Darla is much more guilty of that than Darox. Also, two of my top suspects are on the Darox wagon.

If she flips town, tomorrow will be very interesting (and necessarily, difficult).

[Brandi]

Darox, I don't know what I'll do either way.

Some reason I get the impression that the only actual reason she is suspicious of me is because I am a girl. Or at least thats how it seemed to come off.

If she turns up scum thats a relief for me, because that means there is only one more scum to find. If she turns up town, well... I don't know. I definitely am not going to promise to eat my ear off. Especially since I think you (Darox) are more likely to be scum than her. So far I find Darla's lack of interest a large bit detrimental to the town. If she were more committed to helping the town maybe things would be easier.

I don't remember why Mr.Flay was suspicious of Qman.... Mr.Flay why are/were you suspicious of Qman?

[clammy]

Clammy, what you would you do if Darla flipped scum?

It didn't happen on my watch, but it would make tomorrow far less than pleasant.

If I flipped town?

That would be extremely difficult for me as it would pretty much blow up my main theory and all associated side-plots. I'd still be gunning for suspect no. 2, and that would be our enigma, caf, at this stage. But i'm sorry Darox, if i haven't made it clear enough you are scum to me.

Also, two of my top suspects are on the Darox wagon.

I can see how that supports a Brandi-DBE pairing, hopefully i'm not their dummy who's along with them for the ride (just to be sure i'm not:

unvote

). Still, if either of them flips town your citing this becomes irrelevant, so i'm not sure what you want to achieve by doing so.

[Brandi]

Oh I read that wrong, you asked if YOU flipped town, not if Darla flipped town.

If you flipped town.. thats a joke right? <_< I SRSLY don't know. I'll have to think about that one =P

[clammy]

Bah! - I too misread that for if Darla flipped town....

If Darla flipped scum then great! - For now i don't have a good read, probably because she's a lurker who replaced a lurker which seems to be why a good many are after her.

[Qman]

I've been wondering.

Qman, what would you do if Darla flipped town?

Clammy, what you would you do if Darla flipped scum? If I flipped town?
Brandi, what would you do if Darla flipped scum? If I flipped town?

Call it idle curiosity.

Working backwards a bit to start...

Honestly, that depends on who dies during the night and I don't want to show my hand on that. I do have a good feeling on what I'd do given if one particular person bites it versus another.

I'd be surprised though, I'd look hard at caf following me onto her as alot of the vote "feels" based on my vote reasons... and mine aren't clearly defined, for multiple reasons. That means caf and darox (Though darox is in the posititon of being the other target today) would be scrutinized.. My top two *if* darla flips town would be brandi and caf. My gut is telling me the scum two of darla/brandi/clammy... if darla flips town i'd probably focus mostly on the other two with a hard eye for caf as well.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I can promise you all for what its worth I am town. Yes I know saying you're an honest person on this site is like saying casinos dont rig slot machines, but hey, not all of them do!

So yea I am uninterested because the game is slow, I can't get a good feel on anyone, and I will be very surprised at the end of all of this if Brandi isn't scum. Like I said, just a feeling, I'd not put too much merit in it other than my feelings have turned out correct in most games. (see X-Men Mafia and C-9ths. C9ths where my tunnel vision on Eldrtch Lord from d1 was attacked and almost got me lynched, but guess what? he was scum. and i had no proof other than a inuitive feeling. Same for Johoonoo in X-men, I replaced in and he was my top suspect..as the tracker i tracked him right to my house and the next day I was dead. He was scum too) Im not saying im always right rather explaining my 'feelings' and how they're not always out of the blue.

ALL THE SAME that is NOT a call to lynch her, If I live through today, then I will be more open to it.

and brandi its not cos you are a girl Im only saying if i seem hostile towards you its cos I have a natural way of pissing fellow females off.

Nothing Personal as I said I think you're great <3


Anywho yeah..last stand..whatev's

I am vanilla, lynch me and the town is out numbered and onward to lylo my friends.

good luck.

[Qman]

I approve of the pissing contest between posts 657 and 651! /sarcasim

moving on...

The second post (and this really is deep fried in WIFOM) is my personal view when I play scum. I prefer to do the unexpected, and in that situation I would have left armlx alive. He probably wouldn't be *too* hard to get mislynched. It would definitely have discredited him. I work really hard not to be predictable on my NK's as scum.

Qman says he does the unexpected when hes scum, but in actuality I think that the unexpected in which she refers to would have actually been the smart thing to do. If armlx would have lived passed N1 and there still was a NK, scum would have gotten a free lynch out of armlx AND another NK just like that. Seriously, if a claimed Doctor lives while theres no time for a counter claim, theres no way everyone ISN'T going to be on his tail. I also realize what armlx was doing on D1, and it totally makes sense despite the fact that its a bit crazy. I'm sure all of you get the REAL reasons for his strange D1 behavior and how it correlates to him being a doctor. Anyway, my point is, and this is completely WIFOM, but its my personal opinion that whoever is scum or whoever sent in the NK choice hardly gave it any thought at all. I don't think the experienced players would have NKed armlx. So this is one reason why I think that Qman, Clammy, or Mr.Flay most likely are not the scum. Though, I have other major reasons as to why I believe Qman and Clammy to both be completely pro-town. Mr. Flay I am not as sure of....

She?? Anyhows.. Also recognize that there is a risk in not killing the doc for scum... if the got a good protect that’s two confirmed town players. That leaves scum in a 6 on 2, with 2 confirmed. NOT good odds. Sometimes you roll the dice, some times you don't. When that play backfires you are nice and screwed scum.

I'm not comfortable with your 3 person group that you feel good about. It's a common scum tactic to give a list of 3 people and plug the partner in it as town. For some reason it's the list of THREE people that triggers that thought to me, as it's easier to hide a buddy up and tie in three than two or one.

Yes I know I just posted a list of three people I don't really like much, but for some reason I think those two things are different...

Anyway, I'd like to add in what I think is some very common sense. The bazza-wagon was MOST DEFINITELY a scum driven wagon. Think about it, The SCUM knew he was innocent. All they had to do was keep pushing bazza and the town would eventually tear him to shreds. Armlx was the one who was pushing the most IMO, but Darox I would say was probably the second most stuck towards lynching him. Clammy was also on Bazza for a while, but he pulled off, and was still mainly interested in Darox. DBE, just kept chiming in with her willingness to lynch him. Mr.Flay is the one that hammered, but after thinking about it, I know that he did it for a very good reason. As for Caf19, well, I'm not so sure. I get a lot of mixed feelings when I read some of his posts. If he turned up scum I wouldn't be TOO surprised, but it would still be a surprise. I've been trying to get an analysis on him and while he seems pretty pro-town my gut tells me I'm probably missing something.

Yeah but they also knew the armix wagon was on an innocent, and they both ended up at L-1. There really wasn't much risk for scum there.

The only person I'm comfortable with as town is Flay. He hammered when (i feel) he had to yesterday, and hammered the only option that was there for a town player. The fact that he didn't hammer here speaks well of him as well. However it also makes the specter of a Flay/DBE scum pair float in the back of my head to be recalled at a later date should I need it. I’m not that sold on this idea but later on it’s worth keeping in mind.

This post by Brandi really bothers me. I overlooked some of the middle of the day screwiness because of the call phone business and I know how that is but I've been uncomfortable with Brandi for a while.

Direction change: Brandi off the post.

unvote:Vote Brandi

[Qman]

Simulpost (ten minutes apart but still)

I'm feeling the Darla claim. It has the exact same tone I tend to have on my posts when i'm town and getting lynched. Makes me more confident in moving to brandi

[Qman]

Correction: that pissing contest was 657 and 661!

I still think Darla could be scum but I find it alot less likely than I did 20 minuts ago when I first say the question about her cardflip. At this point I'd be surprised if she did't flip town.

[Darox]

It seems my worries were not unjustified.

My fear was, if Darla did flip town, it looks real bad for our chances D3.

Brandi+clammy would go for me right off the bat, which puts me in L-1. I don't think Qman or Flay would hammer me, but I'm not liking those chances, especially since that leaves Caf19 as the decider, who is still largely unaccounted for.

I am reminded also of Bazza in Darla's last post, and we all know how that turned out. This is enough to remove my vote for now.

Unvote

[Qman]

Correction: that pissing contest was 657 and 661!

I still think Darla could be scum but I find it alot less likely than I did 20 minuts ago when I first say the question about her cardflip. At this point I'd be surprised if she did't flip town.

First saw!! saw!! not say!! blaaaaahhhhh

[Qman]

I'm not going to go in depth on darox and darla now, my brain has me going off in another direction. I need a careful look at the first 50 or so post after the day started right now.

[clammy]

Bloody hell! - i thought it was bad enough i was getting cold feet at 679 but now it seems a few of us are.

We're all too scared of another Bazza + Armlx i see.

vote: Caf

[Brandi]

Hmm. Update. I believe Darla is town now. Still totally believe Darox is scum. Also I have no idea where Qman is going with his latest posts. Very confusing, no idea what point hes trying to make. Seems really off to me. He lists a ton of people, makes me think he really doesn't know what to think. Still think hes town, just not at the top of his game.

I don't get it clammy, why are you voting for Caf? He hasn't been here and you havent expressed any old or new suspicions towards him. Are you just taking shots in the dark because you can't trust your own scum hunting abilities?

Interesting thing, that Post subject: 687:

OMG IF DARLA IS TOWN THAT MEANS IM DEFINITELY GOING TO INSTANTLY DIE TOMORROW!!! I CANT DIE IN LYLO, ILL LOSE! EVERYONE UNVOTE ME AND HER GOGOGO. U KANT LET ME GET LYNCHDED. IT R BAD. CUZ I AM SCUM.

Darox it totally scum. Hes taking advantage of the fact that we aren't so sure of ourselves anymore.

Unvote, Vote:Darox

(Just a reminder.)

You can't fool me Darox with your mind games. DIEDIEDIE.

[clammy]

Scummy/anti-town - DarlaBlueEyes

This was only yesterday, what changed when Qman started pressuring you for your lists of three?

I don't get it clammy, why are you voting for Caf? He hasn't been here and you havent expressed any old or new suspicions towards him. Are you just taking shots in the dark because you can't trust your own scum hunting abilities?

As i said, a little is cold feet and distrust of myself, but don't confuse that for a nill-case on caf, it's just being held close to my chest for now. I'm also far more convinced of Darox-scum, as you say you are too, so consider him with a pseudo-vote on him still if you like.

[Qman]

Hmm. Update. I believe Darla is town now. Still totally believe Darox is scum. Also I have no idea where Qman is going with his latest posts. Very confusing, no idea what point hes trying to make. Seems really off to me. He lists a ton of people, makes me think he really doesn't know what to think. Still think hes town, just not at the top of his game.

This isn't a surprised it's both partially intentional, and partial because right now in in stream of conscienceness mode, meaning I'm tossing my thoughts out there as I think things over.

I don't get it clammy, why are you voting for Caf? He hasn't been here and you havent expressed any old or new suspicions towards him. Are you just taking shots in the dark because you can't trust your own scum hunting abilities?

This post bugs me for reason I can't quite quantify. The informed minority tends to take a few shots in the dark no matter what.. and why do you seem to have a problem with us pressuring him?

Interesting thing, that Post subject: 687:

OMG IF DARLA IS TOWN THAT MEANS IM DEFINITELY GOING TO INSTANTLY DIE TOMORROW!!! I CANT DIE IN LYLO, ILL LOSE! EVERYONE UNVOTE ME AND HER GOGOGO. U KANT LET ME GET LYNCHDED. IT R BAD. CUZ I AM SCUM.

Darox it totally scum. Hes taking advantage of the fact that we aren't so sure of ourselves anymore.

Unvote, Vote:Darox

(Just a reminder.)

You can't fool me Darox with your mind games. DIEDIEDIE.

This really isn't attractive from a pro-town player. Just sayin.

I find the fact that you are overlooking my vote for you worth noting.

[Qman]

before i get rolled over a spit for it, the "us" in the above post means the town in general. Pressure on people no one has a good read on is hardly ever a bad thing.

[Darox]

@Brandi:

Clammy has had me pegged as scum for a long time, and should anyone but me die and flip town, will almost certainly vote me D3.
Given your last post, you are almost certainly going to vote me as well.

This means if just one of you is not scum, the remaining scum will hammer me.
Game over.

False dilemma? If I survive to D3 and we don't lynch scum, that looks like a pretty real possibility to me. Downplaying the danger of this isn't going to help us.

This is the main reason I don't want to see Darla go to the noose prematurely.

I loved the way you edited my words by the way.

Vote: Caf19

Votecount (Cause Flameaxe is lazy)
Brandi [1] - Qman
Darla [1] - Caf19
Darox [2] - Darla, Brandi
Caf19 [2] - clammy, Darox

Not Voting - Mr. Flay

7 Alive, 4 to lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

Very interesting vote shifts in the last 24 hours. For my own memory:

• Brandi puts Darox at L-1, alongside Darla (Sunday day).

  Darla [3] (Caf19, Qman, Darox)
  Darox [3] (Darla, Clammy, Brandi)

• clammy unvotes Darox (Monday night).
  
• DBE claims Vanilla Townie.
  
• Qman switches from Darla to Brandi (Monday late night).
  
• Darox unvotes Darla to avoid being tomorrow's autolynch.
  
• clammy laments the unvoting, switches to caf19.
  
• Brandi believes Darla is town now, unvotes Darox and revotes Darox ...for
  emphasis
  ?
  
• Darox votes caf19, apparently to spite Brandi.

Darox [2] - Darla, Brandi
Caf19 [2] - clammy, Darox
Brandi [1] - Qman
Darla [1] - Caf19

Something is

weird

here. Why do we think caf19 will come back because of voting? What makes people believe Darla here, the appeal to emotion? The vanilla claim? I'm not saying she should be hammered, but the SUDDEN shift of voting is really bizarre.

Mod: please prod caf19

if you haven't already.

Darox' hypothetical "I'm gonna be lynched tomorrow" isn't making me happy, but it's a fairly townie behavior. A scum

knows

they're not going to be quicklynched, so why bring up the false possibility? If it doesn't materialize, it just makes you look overly paranoid.

Brandi still seems overly confident in Darox' scumminess, and her continuous flip-flopping on DBE makes my eyelid twitch.

Qman: If your secondary suspect is Darox, why were you voting Darla before? Why didn't you vote Darox when clammy unvoted?

clammy: I also want to hear more about your caf19 case. Why so close to the vest?

[Qman]

Qman: If your secondary suspect is Darox, why were you voting Darla before? Why didn't you vote Darox when clammy unvoted?

Darox isn't my second... and I don't remember saying that.. did I? o_0

Brandi and Clammy are my main suspects atm. Darox isn't my favorite but I don't think I'm willing to help contribute to his lynch today. There is part of me that wants to go after clammy today more than Brandi but I'm okay with Brandi pressure for now. I really don't get Darox chasing caf.

Lets not say I'm given Darla a pass, shes still a bit hinky in my eyes but for now.. I'd rather look elsewhere.

[Mr. Flay]

Darox isn't my second... and I don't remember saying that.. did I? o_0

Crap, no, you didn't. clammy did, in post 692. Nevermind that bit.

[Brandi]

Qman, I didn't address your vote on me because I don't understand it. That is all. I said your posts weren't making sense. That wasn't enough of a response for you? =P

Brandi believes Darla is town now, unvotes Darox and revotes Darox ...for emphasis?

Um... Thats something armlx did very early on in the game and I just thought I'd copy him cuz it seemed cool. <_<

This really isn't attractive from a pro-town player. Just sayin.

Whats wrong with being aggressive towards scum? Are you saying attacking scum is a bad thing? Or are you saying we should hold hands with the scum and frolic through the flowers?

The informed minority tends to take a few shots in the dark no matter what.. and why do you seem to have a problem with us pressuring him?

Like, in the BEGINNING OF THE GAME maybe? Not when there are like 28 pages of stuff to go on.

her continuous flip-flopping on DBE makes my eyelid twitch.

whats wrong with that? =P I really thought she was scum and now I think shes a female bazza that doesn't argue as much.

I loved the way you edited my words by the way.

Thanks. Nothing personal, I just totally believe you are scum. I didn't really edit them, more so put into words what I believed your thoughts to be at that moment.

As i said, a little is cold feet and distrust of myself, but don't confuse that for a nill-case on caf, it's just being held close to my chest for now. I'm also far more convinced of Darox-scum, as you say you are too, so consider him with a pseudo-vote on him still if you like.

Sorry if my last comment towards you seemed sort of mean there Clammy. I'm not questioning how good of a player you are. Its just, it feels to me like you were almost giving up... and you're the person I have the most faith in, in this game. Hello, I'm totally a newbie. You're experienced, If you look like you're giving up, how does that look to me? I thought we were finally gonna catch some scum and not end up in freaking Lylo. But now everything has instantly changed. =( We're not lynching Darox? (according to the rest of the town.) fine. Perhaps we can stumble upon the other scum by the end of D2. It doesn't seem to me like that is gonna happen though. =/