Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

Menalque · Post Post #4400 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:36 am

I'll have a pagetop!

PenguinPower · Post Post #4401 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:36 am

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PenguinPower · Post Post #4402 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:37 am

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PenguinPower · Post Post #4403 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:37 am

ofrhz · Post Post #4404 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:39 am

VOTE COUNT 4.4

Something_Smart [2]:

Almost50 [4321], PenguinPower [4392]

Almost50 [1]:

Bingle [4253]

Not Voting [3]:

Menalque [4395], MariaR, Something_Smart

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2020-07-10 11:30:00)

Game Notes:

n/a

Bingle · Post Post #4405 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:02 am

I halfheartedly protest this course of action.

Also, I will totally steal the hammer from Mena if given the chance.

Menalque · Post Post #4406 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:08 am

Who fears you enough of the players left alive to try and kill you N1 bingle?

Bingle · Post Post #4407 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:55 am

I don't think I'm a fear kill in this list from anyone in this list.

I guess A50 probably has the most respect for my townplay, but I think everyone in the list kills Blake or Skitter above me if I'm not killed for reads.

Best guess to why I would be nightkilled? I was accurately reading most of the people in the game D1, with the exception of you/gobbles/maybePP. If PP is town, I had a 5 person accurate townblock and every scum in my PoE D1, with a legitimate scumread on FB that I only wasn't pursuing because Blake was hardtownreading him and a S/T read on Lilith/SS.

Bingle · Post Post #4408 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:40 am

In post 4407, Bingle wrote:I don't think I'm a fear kill in this list from anyone in this list.

What I mean by this is that while there are players in this list who might normally fearkill me, all of those players have other people I would expect them to place at a higher priority fearkill wise.

Menalque · Post Post #4409 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:20 pm

Who here kills for reads though?

Like I’m not convinced anyone here kills for who has good reads on D1 vs who is likely to have good reads later and who will control the game.

Fmpov there are 4 scenarios unless I’m wrong about Blake’s crumb:

(1) Blake JK’d you and there was no scum kill because scum tried to kill you
(2) Blake JK’d you and there was no scum kill because you were the scum making the kill
(3) Blake JK’d you and scum killed pb
(4) Blake JK’d you and scum decided to actively no kill

Menalque · Post Post #4410 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:22 pm

In (2) I guess you would have had to have been the one making the kill, without using anyone of your JOAT abilities, then used ninja N2 and roleblock N3 so yes it does seem unlikely because you also wouldn’t have used strongman N1 and it seems -utility for you to make the kill N1 if you weren’t ninja’d? Although flip side you would have been the most TR member of the scumteam at that point so maybe it would make more sense

Menalque · Post Post #4411 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:23 pm

So maybe (1) and (3) are the most likely, as we kinda just wrote off pb being killed by scum after skitter claimed, and it would be very odd for scum to no kill just for the heck of it

Almost50 · Post Post #4412 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:01 pm

In post 4388, Menalque wrote:If it's not S_S probably lynch A50 tomorrow and if it's bingle or PP let it be noted for the record that (1) no-one was really interested in engaging with me on whether Blake was crumbing a JK on bingle and the implications of that and (2) I said I thought PP's reactions to being scumread were weird multiple times and that I thought he was reminiscent of his scum play in the game I modded only to have multiple town players argue with me about this and tell me they were town reactions

Engaged you on the Blake JK on Bingle, and I said I didn't think it was the case, and you dismissed me. I don't think anyone would say "I think X is clear because I'm alive today" when they had in fact blocked X AND there was a missing kill on that night.

That being said I don't think Bingle goes as far as faking such anger over being SR'd, even if he felt he was caught for the wrong reasons, so I'm going to guess he is town here because of that specific reaction.

Bingle · Post Post #4413 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:16 pm

In post 2581, Blake Belladonna wrote:Bingle is town barring the possibility that I was protected or the scum making the kill was jailed.

Yeah, I was probably protected based specifically on this.

I don't really think anyone is more likely to have killed me than anyone else though.

Menalque · Post Post #4414 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:50 pm

In post 4412, Almost50 wrote:Engaged you on the Blake JK on Bingle, and I said I didn't think it was the case, and you dismissed me.

I asked you who Blake (someone who as far as I know tends to crumb) was on if she wasn’t on bingle and iirc you never gave me an alternative to it being bingle?

Menalque · Post Post #4415 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:52 pm

Also, who tf was she on on N2?

Can’t be fb (he was shot)
Can’t be datisi (would be cleared or at least softcleared?)
Can’t be bingle (he didn’t strongman)
Can’t be skitter (she shot)
Can’t be me (I got a result)

Menalque · Post Post #4416 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:54 pm

Can’t be Blake herself obviously
Can’t be maria or she wouldn’t have gone on her again?

Does that mean Blake was on one of (PP, SS, A50) on N2 by process of elimination?

Menalque · Post Post #4417 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:58 pm

In post 3661, Blake Belladonna wrote:I think that the final remaining scum is within Bingle and Something_Smart in almost all scenarios.

In post 4035, Blake Belladonna wrote:If Datisi is not the last scum, at this point I believe it is exactly MariaR.

And that's only if the scumteam were doing really weird things. Every unconfirmed player has a significantly better voting record than Datisi does.

I feel like what happened inbetween these posts could be important maybe?

Menalque · Post Post #4418 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:58 pm

As of right now I personally think I want to lynch the monkey the most

Menalque · Post Post #4419 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:59 pm

My big dilemma is idk whether to trust my own read there or to defer to the reads that skitter and Blake had on him

Menalque · Post Post #4420 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:00 pm

Inb4 it’s maria and Blake forgot to submit her night action and that’s why everything has been so screwy

Menalque · Post Post #4421 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:03 pm

I forgot how much I fucking hate mafia jesus

Menalque · Post Post #4422 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:06 pm

VOTE: A50?
VOTE: bingle?
VOTE: S_S?
VOTE: pinguino?

UNVOTE:

Menalque · Post Post #4423 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:06 pm

Hey datisi I think I finally understand your lylo pains btw

Almost50 · Post Post #4424 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:32 pm

In post 4415, Menalque wrote:Also, who tf was she on on N2?

Can’t be fb (he was shot)
Can’t be datisi (would be cleared or at least softcleared?)
Can’t be bingle (he didn’t strongman)
Can’t be skitter (she shot)
Can’t be me (I got a result)

In post 4416, Menalque wrote:Can’t be Blake herself obviously
Can’t be maria or she wouldn’t have gone on her again?

Does that mean Blake was on one of (PP, SS, A50) on N2 by process of elimination?

In post 4417, Menalque wrote:
In post 3661, Blake Belladonna wrote:I think that the final remaining scum is within Bingle and Something_Smart in almost all scenarios.

If you can't dicern Blake was on me on N2 from all this, I dunno what else you need to get it. You have clipped down the pool to exactly 3 players, and Blake says one of the other 2 is the last scum, so who do you think she JK'd??