Mini 2150 - Anime SeiyuU-Pick [SHOW'S OVER!]

[Deimos27]

How long can I expect to see all questions and no reads from your slot, Sujimichi?

[Deimos27]

Jumping on a leading wagon

He has not jumped on a leading wagon. What I refer to is the scumread.

[Deimos27]

I don't think it should be controversial that the scum framework "fit evidence to match reads" holds more explanatory power than the town framework "fit reads to match evidence" in such situations. Admittedly he has not yet acted on voting either Mikul or Tux, despite coming up with these reasons to suspect them, which is odd.

[Starbuck]

Read Through - Part 1

Vivid pic of Captain Hook entrapping Tinkerbell there, Deimos. Are you trying to tell us something?

this is a scummy intro. I see lots of words and excuses. It reads "Please don't vote for me for lurking"

It's NAI. NEXT!

You no like wagonz, Mikul?

I hate rvs in general, much less random wagons when they solve nothing during rvs

you could self-vote then if you don't want to commit? confessions always welcome

It's the principal behind RVs. I hate dp1. That will never change. I understand why it can be useful, I also understand why it can be entirely counterproductive to town

Since joining this site I've made an active effort to find value in it but I still loathe it

Goodness, I empathize with this.

I get scumread for everything. I behave naturally scummy sadly

And this.

As another tidbit I know jackshit about this theme.

Neither do I. Saw the need for multiple replacements, low number of pages, and cool mechanics, so I thought I'd jump in.

There will be no shitposting. My role is actually fucking amazing and slightly broken in my opinion. Let's cut to the chase. I can potentially clear 3 towns players or narrow down a scum into a group of three if I become Miss Seiyu U-pick.

Damn, he already outted the slot. That's annoying.

[Deimos27]

Did you prefer not to out this audition power?

[Deimos27]

Vivid pic of Captain Hook entrapping Tinkerbell there, Deimos. Are you trying to tell us something?

Are you trying to expose a crumb?

[Starbuck]

I don't see the point in yolo healing. Unless I'm misreading it, healing activates an audition role which everyone has. That would be including mafia. Maybe the roles are useless, maybe they are useful but is there anyway to know that just throwing that on someone who is not town could have negative consequences?

Not to sure, but I'm leaning the same direction. It looks as though that person gets a bulletproof if they win the audition, too, if I'm reading correctly? I wouldn't want to accidentally give scum that ability; let alone whatever they might have as their Audition.

Don't heal me by the way , ever

Eh, that bad, huh?

I think I might just ignore that Mikul/BM/Demois stuff. Looked not fun or helpful.

Is this for real? Why would you openly say that you're going to ignore players? I already feel like there's a town block with those 3 and it's only Page 4.

No I'm onsite fan.

Guess it's all laid out then.


Huh, what's with all the activation and such going on?

i'm starting to wonder if we should massclaim...

Bit early, to be fair, even though my predecessor already outted us.


On mastina's entrance, it's beyond weird. Mason claim, calling out town reads on folks who barely posted in the past few pages (like popopopopopo), but not really commenting on what was happening, then laying out a reads list when half the player list hasn't even posted? I'm hoping there's some good reasons for this Tux wagon, even though I'm already getting some gutscum on him.


Reading on through to Panzer's claim, which if town, isn't a bad thing to claim up front. My only worry is if that might come from scum and town target him then we all get effed.

[PJ.]

I understand. And full disclosure, Mastina is correct that I'm typically vehemently against free information, but I spent 24 hours or so thinking about it and I didn't see a better option, but again, I understand not thinking it's legitimate or being wary of it. That said, uh...please help lol

[Starbuck]

Interesting on mastina's Loved condition. Not sure if that fits with the mason claim or not yet.

I'm a wee bit concerned of how much Mikul and BM seem to be overtaking the thread, but given the lack of activity/multiple replacements, it's to be expected.

Really appreciate TSE's entrance and input thus far and I agree with this:

Least 1 scum within Mastina and Tuxedo.

Also my song is in the vote count , so that confirms my role went through. Excited much

Curious to see what this amounts to

You have a 1/3 chance to have your vote count twice. But it activates tomorrow and after the music video I selected is posted on the vote count. Putting it out there in case there is an accidental hammer but re reading this it doesn't start until tomorrow

Interesting.


So I don't know how faking a dayvig pushes anything forward, but I'm not quite sure how I feel about Tux's reaction right now. I'm not quite sure if he's faking not really understanding the mechanics of the game, especially when he said that he's been waiting "so long" for it to start. You'd have plenty of time to familiarize yourself with the mechanics. I'm not sure if he's being purposefully dense at this point or not. That's probably NAI, but worth noting.


And Panzer claimed his role as mastina's audition power? Huh.

[Sujimichi]

But I think you are scumreading him for (at least some) of the wrong reasons. Same with your Mikul read. The points are silly and I can go through them one at a time but I already pointed at two that made no sense.

What are the "wrong reasons" given for Tuxedo Mask, and why do you find that to be Mafia-indicative rather than just Town approaching from a different viewpoint?

Confidence, jokes, and fluff are not scumtells without much further development about the motivations behind these behaviours and the nature of their manifestations here. One of the posts Sujimichi referenced on Tux was something I literally see people (including Tux) do all the time, which is joking about being scum:

More shockingly though it turns out I am scum

Jumping on a leading wagon for poor reasons when legitimate ones exist

and have been pointed out in-thread

is +scum for opportunism and -town for lack of resonance. As the game progresses I will see from TTJT whether these are false positives within the frame of his personality and playstyle.

Thank you. I assume that you meant TheThirteenthJT instead of myself in your first response. Please correct me if that assumption is incorrect.

[Sujimichi]

How long can I expect to see all questions and no reads from your slot, Sujimichi?

Until such a time that I have established reads.

[Deimos27]

That's correct

[Sujimichi]

I don't think it should be controversial that the scum framework "fit evidence to match reads" holds more explanatory power than the town framework "fit reads to match evidence" in such situations. Admittedly he has not yet acted on voting either Mikul or Tux, despite coming up with these reasons to suspect them, which is odd.

Correct. This is why I have asked him to provide his reasoning as to him not voting.

[Mikul]

Sorry was away for 2 days. Hopefully I didn't get prodded

[Deimos27]

How long can I expect to see all questions and no reads from your slot, Sujimichi?

Until such a time that I have established reads.

Very well. I hope this time comes before eod.

[Mikul]

Catching up

Mikui my vote on you is dependant on the following question. You say people read you as scummy for your general play, why not just play along with the meta or just do your own thing instead of claiming these things in order to make excuses for how you may play? Wouldn't it be easier as town to just do your thing and if someone calls you out for let's say not Rvs then explain it and tell people to meta it. Then just ignore it front here on. I feel like most town players won't elimnated you kn this fact alone, and really it may weed out the scum who will continue to push that point. (This exact situation happened to me in the past.)

I wasn't using that statement as an excuse just a general statement. I often play in my own way and I've been playing that way for years and I will likely never change it. But for a note I play off site on a site that is dead and also in live mafia. There is nothing to meta unless you want to dig through thousands of pages of games on a site that has a horrible filter.

The only thing I made an excuse for was the fact I would be less active than I normally am because super busy (hence why I went away for 2 days ) and why I said that at the start in case stuff like that happened

[Mikul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TTJT
This reading of Mikul is so uncharitable that it's probably scum motivated. The position on mastina is inconsistent: TTJT apparently understands the points on her but goes on to say her situation is "weird but wifom" and Tux is scummier because of... confidence and jokes.

I find it weird that he also casually didn't mention my claim

[Starbuck]

So I'm at mastina's #232 when they do a text wall of their reads and I don't understand how folks like popopopopo, Shiro, TTJT, Panther and Fox, and Sujimichi rate as anything other than null, at this point, when they've barely added anything to the game. Not to mention that the rest of it just feels very.....try hard? Also the self-meta in 268 and 276 is just not appealing. I'm not liking anything coming from that direction currently.

BM's quick move to mastina's side is suspect, as well.

Mastina claims masons 2/3 of the games they play as both alignments.

This is good to know.

To note I really don't like the idea of clemency because her meta is that she only fake claims "Mason as town". It's way to easy to claim that as scum at that point.

Mikul needs to stop residing in my brain.

There's been a few claims already with abilities and roles and it's just going over my head. I guess it would be bold to do that as scum but what's the benefit of doing it as town day 1?

This has been throwing me for a loop on my read through, too. I'm not understanding the why behind the claims already. Save for Panzer, he makes sense to me.


Hey Sujimichi, can you condense your posts a bit? Also, why 20 questions and no real statement of your thoughts?


TTJT's entrance in 307 just seems to be a way to post some throwaway comments at mastina and Tux, but deliver a faulty case on Mikul. All of this without mentioning anyone else. I don't really care for it because I don't see the case on Mikul, also I think it's rich to be so late to the game and try to make a statement with your entrance.

[Mikul]

Well that was a fast catch up. Basically no activity since I last posted.

The fluff posting from star as a entry bothers me, it look like he is posting stuff just to post

But I'm still not moving on mastina. I may reconsidering lynching her if it's "her meta" but I really want pressure on the possibility of a second mason. To clarify I likely would still lynch her either way but I want to know if she's lying about that mason claim and I'm not moving off this

It's useful to know whether she chose to lie and tie her to stuff for late game.


If she's lying it eliminates the possibility of scum fake claiming partner in late game , it also shows she is willing to lie and we can look back on motivations as more info comes out.

I think people are really looking past the value of pressure here

[Starbuck]

Did you prefer not to out this audition power?

I just didn't see the point just yet. I don't think free information is a good way to play. It's not an open setup for a reason.

Vivid pic of Captain Hook entrapping Tinkerbell there, Deimos. Are you trying to tell us something?

Are you trying to expose a crumb?

I mean, if that's a crumb, it's pretty freaking obvious and I can think of, at least, one player who you should use it on if it's what I think it is.

[Starbuck]

How long can I expect to see all questions and no reads from your slot, Sujimichi?

Until such a time that I have established reads.

You've been here since the start and there's 16 hrs left. Establish some reads. I just got here and I already did.

[Starbuck]

The fluff posting from star as a entry bothers me, it look like he is posting stuff just to post

I'm catching up and reading and annotating things that I find interesting so I can find them when I go back into my ISO later. Don't be this person.

[Mikul]

I really don't want to Lynch tux

Can we please just lynch mastina. I'm perfectly willing to make that sacrifice if no second mason claims and she doesn't reveal her motivations if she is lying.

I really really really don't want to give clemency based on meta and then go for a lynch in tux that is a reach

[Mikul]

The fluff posting from star as a entry bothers me, it look like he is posting stuff just to post

I'm catching up and reading and annotating things that I find interesting so I can find them when I go back into my ISO later. Don't be this person.

To be fair amended this in my mind after I saw you keep posting. Didn't look at the time stamps and realize you were still posting currently. Thought it was a prior post and that was it

[Starbuck]

Mikul, I'm not sure if you know but there is a change on site to stop using "lynch" and use a different term like "eliminate" or "yeet" or "execute" or something besides that word.