Open 786 | Dream Mafia | Cult Win!

[Korina]

VOTE: Ythan[/b]

I DIDN’T ROLL CULT BUT I’M NOT A UT SO DREW YOU BETTER RECRUIT ME TONIGHT; I’M HARD DEFENDING YOU

[Korina]

VOTE: Ythan

I DIDN’T ROLL CULT BUT I’M NOT A UT SO DREW YOU BETTER RECRUIT ME TONIGHT; I’M HARD DEFENDING YOU

Fixed, currently on mobile making food as well

[Korina]

Also, I’m gonna say this now, but I’m gonna use the word lynch and not any of the proposed alternatives. Doing so would require more effort/focus on what I’m saying than I really care to put forth, considering I’ve used the word in mafia for way too long

[Korina]

Also:

@mod v/la weekends

[Korina]

Also you guys have like three minutes before I log onto my computer and start spam posting thoughts / complaints about not rolling cult

[Korina]

Ok, I'm gonna paraphrase my thoughts because I'm not sure if I can get in trouble for basically copy-pasting them, but... we should have UTs,

and only UTs

claim today. If we have UTs, we can treat them as basically a public masonry, and if any cult tries to also claim UT to get into it, that's fine too, because they're gonna have to act townie and go against two people who are actually town, so they should likely out themselves relatively quickly

second, if there is a CC to anything we're not lynching them until CL is dead. Period.
Also, if CL is lynched today, everyone claims tomorrow, no questions asked. If there is only one TPR, (C1 or C2), then we're kinda fucked and we actually have to play the game; otherwise, we just automatically win

[Korina]

I have other thoughts I'd like to share, but not now. I'll share them at a later point or post-game if I never find that point

[Korina]

also, I'm lowkey tempted to powerlynch Drew because they're very likely cult / CL, but I don't have any proof for that, and lynching not-cl-cult d1 is just harmful for us.

[Korina]

also, i'm very likely to just shitpost for the first couple of days in this game until RVS is over because I'm genuinely expecting people to try to flash-wagon me in RVS because "hur hur, cult game and korina is in it, and hes clearly cult and/or will be culted n1 hur hur"

[Korina]

also, if there is a rolestopper or jailkeeper and you target me at all this entire game, even if it stops me from being culted, we're gonna have words, very angry

w o r d s

[Korina]

Also for anyone wondering why I'm not really typing properly like usual, it's because I had like two monster energy drinks in the past hour-and-a-half and I'm kinda hyper
also i made ramen I haven't eaten yet

[Korina]

Also if Drew is cult again this game, and they flip CL and they're lynched today, we're also gonna have

very angry w o r d s

[Korina]

also I really thought I'd have more to shitpost about until someone else got here, I really don't have anything else to post beyond me complaining about not rolling cult

[Korina]

Also also, I'd appreciate it if someone else could join me, preferably Drew for y'know... no... particular reason... hahah please believe me

[Korina]

Also also also

@mod did you send to everyone playing that d1 has started, and if not, could you? I only saw the thread was unlocked because I have no life and checked ms

[Korina]

DREW ARE YOU LYING TO ME

[Korina]

PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE BB

[Korina]

Also, on a serious note, the optimal play for town is to pretty much find the CL and lynch them. We don't lynch any other cult until CL is dead, because cult will just recruit back whoever we kill.

[Korina]

Also this setup is very likely unbalanced. I spent all of five minutes designing it lmao

[Korina]

ty mod <3

also I just realized we have Jesus Christ in the game...

VOTE: Jesus Christ

I'm sorry, but you must die for our sins.

[Korina]

Hang on, dealing with some other things, but I'll reply to your joke when I can, but CL is likely gonna be the towniest player. CL doesn't wanna die in general because they're the most valuable person for cult. They could theoretically bus cultists, but why

[Korina]

also this

Also this setup is very likely unbalanced. I spent all of five minutes designing it lmao

[Korina]

No, I always get culted I think. I'm the person who's literally best known for my thing for cults—not to mention the designer of this game. Additionally, I'm probably one of the strongest players in this game as town or cult. Because we're trying not to kill cultists, just the CL, we know that if we lynch town today and tomorrow, we go into MyLo with four townies and three cult, and cult will have the same number of players on d3, as they did on d2. We can spend D2 sussing out who the two cultists are, sure, but the goal is to figure out who the CL is first and kill them.

Also, cult probably always cults me because as town, I'm the biggest threat to cult. I'm the person who loves playing them the most, so I would be the person who's best equipt to figure out exactly who the cultists are, and who they're very likely to cult. As cult, I'm the biggest help to cult because that information I'd end up giving town if I was town? I no longer give. Why? Because I'm now trying to help cult.

[Korina]

Hang on, dealing with some other things, but I'll reply to your joke when I can, but CL is likely gonna be the towniest player. CL doesn't wanna die in general because they're the most valuable person for cult. They could theoretically bus cultists, but why

I don't think a specific role can act the towniest, but they're going to be trying to be the towniest

CL will try to be the person we all agree is town without a second thought. Why? Because if CL is killed today, and the second cult is not a cultist, town automatically wins. If the second cult is a cultist, there's a 1/3 chance town still automatically wins, but that's a small chance to be betting on hitting anyways. And because the CL is trying to be townread, they'll keep trying to push that until the end of the game, because they

know

we're trying to find them. We can't lynch any cult besides the CL until the CL is dead, because they'll just recruit someone back.

[Korina]

Once again Jackson, you're blatantly missing the point.

The Cult Leader will not play scummily. They will play extremely townie.

The most optimal play for town IMO is to actually lynch the towniest players d1 and d2, to try to force the CL to remain around the middle of the pack and catch them from there. The towniest players are very likely to be culted, especially if we happen to lynch not-CL at any point before CL is dead. Additionally, assuming we're on D3 with two town lynches, it's a 4v3 MyLo. We lynch the CL, the cult

cannot recruit anyone else.

That means we are no longer in MyLo on d4. We have a day we can mislynch and give any surviving TPRs a chance to get another result, or confirm themselves still. Once we're on D4 and the CL is dead, we can go back and scumhunt effectively.

pedit:
Jackson.
Jackson.

Think about it.

You are CL. All you have to do in order to win is obtain parity. That's it.
You have to survive till D3 pretty much. Assuming all recruitments are successful:
You just have to mislynch three times in a row, and you win. (6v2 EoD1 -> 5v3 EoN1 -> 4v3 EoD2/EoN2 -> 3v3 EoD3, Cult Wins)
Even if your friend is lynched D1, you just have to mislynch twice, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 5v2 EoD2 -> 4v3 EoN2 -> 3v3 EoD2, Cult Wins)
Even if both of your friends are lynched D1 and D2, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 6v1 EoD2 -> 5v2 EoN2 -> 4v2 EoD3 -> 3v3 EoN3, Cult Wins)
Even if all three of your friends are lynched D1, D2, and D3, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 6v1 EoD2 -> 5v2 EoN2 -> 5v1 EoD3 -> 4v2 EoN3 -> 3v2 EoD4 -> 2v3 EoN4, Cult Wins)
Even if all four of your friends are lynched D1, D2, D3,

and

D4, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (... 4v1 EoD4 -> 3v2 EoN4 -> 2v2 EoD5, Cult Wins.)
Do you get the point Jackson? Do you see how valuable the CL is to the Cult?

Now, let's assume the CL is lynched D1, and we are not in setup C2:
Excluding setup C1, Remaining alive are

TWO TOWN POWER-ROLES AND ONE CULTIST

. The TPRs say who they are, and they lynch everyone who isn't them. The Cult literally cannot win.
If it is setup C1, the Cop checks whoever they want. Provided they do not return a Cult result, we have the exact same situation as before, where Cult cannot win.
Setup C2 is different, and we have to actually scumhunt.

[Korina]

Look at what I posted, and explain to me,

if you are CL, why the fuck aren't you trying to play as townie as possible, to avoid being lynched?

[Korina]

Which, now that I've mentioned that, I am curious:

@mod If the game would end after a mislynch due to it being impossible to prevent cult from obtaining parity via culting that night, does the game end with the lynch, or does the game go to night, and the game ends when day begins?

[Korina]

It doesn't. It means they're going to play—or at the very least attempt to play—townier than scum would try on average though.

Pedit: Lynches are mandatory

[Korina]

I knew in the five minutes I spent designing this game that lynches had to be compulsive to prevent a cop from stalling indefinitely to find all the cult.

[Korina]

Cult are capped at three living cultist, and lynches are compulsive.
Both of those mechanics are to prevent the game from stalling out forever, or from cult just autowinning after a certain point. Assuming no cult are lynched, cult autowins N2 if they don't have a cap.

[Korina]

Also, Jackson, I know my logic makes sense. I know what cult wants to do in this setup. Like I said before, I'm the most dangerous player for cult as town, and the most valuable player for cult as cult. Cultists

will

actively help the CL look townier—they have daytalk after-all—and the CL will actively try harder to look townie. Cult wins so much more in this setup when the CL is alive, and loses that much more when the CL is lynched. I want to believe you are town so far. I genuinely want to, but I can't see how a townie does not see, nor understand, how cult will try to keep CL alive, and how the CL will try to look townier than others.

[Korina]

First, no doctor. Rolestopper is the doctor for this setup.
Second, we know I'm not UT. That means I could still be a JK or Rolestopper. I can't target myself if that's the case, and if that's the case, and cult recruits me, when I go to claim JK/Rolestopper, guess what? Nobody will CC me, meaning I still am confirmed "town" even though I was culted. I'm not going to say if I am one or not, simply because if I am one, we can all guarantee I get culted tonight because nobody can stop me from getting culted; however, if I'm not one, the real one will likely be on me to prevent me from getting culted.
Third, if we have a JK, they should try to get whoever they think is CL if they don't believe we have a Tracker, which is 2/3 times they appear. If they think we have a Tracker, they should always jail whoever they think will be culted.
Fourth, the more I think about it, the more it really only works if there are multiple players we believe are guaranteed town D1. The reason why is because if we have two people who we believe are guaranteed town, cult will recruit one of them, and we could possibly protect one of them. There's the chance JK/Rolestopper and CL target the same person, but there's also the chance they don't. If that's the case, and that player is able to continue making people believe they are town, what do we do once CL is dead? Because we know one of them is cult. Alternatively, cult just ignores both of them and makes a less optimal cult, which is good for town—this also happens if we have two extremely townie players, and one of them is lynched d1. The JK/Rolestopper is guaranteed to be on that other player, meaning cult is forced to cult unoptimally.
Fifth, anyone who plays blatantly scum is still an auto-lynch from me. Cult could reasonably use this against us, but there'd be a point where we stop lynching them, and reasonably by that point, the CL pool is already small.

[Korina]

I also agree Jackson; I really have no idea what you're saying at this point, so I'm going to simply stop pushing the issue, and agree to disagree.

[Korina]

I'd actually like Drew to post more first. I remember being pretty accurate when it came to reading him, so I'm willing to bet that I can read him later on.

[Korina]

Plus, on a non-serious note, I'd still like Jesus Christ to die for our sins. Or would we have to wait till D3 to do that? I don't really know religion, which is ironic because of my affinity for cults.

[Korina]

It'd be more hilarious if Jesus was CL IMO.

[Korina]

Also pagetop

[Korina]

Battle, explain why we lynch cult before CL is dead. They just recruit back and it makes it harder for town to find the new cult

[Korina]

The longer cult has the same people alive, the longer we can confirm people are still town, and the easier time we have at figuring out associations between players

[Korina]

second, if there is a CC to anything we're not lynching them until CL is dead. Period.

Also, if CL is lynched today, everyone claims tomorrow, no questions asked. If there is only one TPR, (C1 or C2), then we're kinda fucked and we actually have to play the game; otherwise, we just automatically win

everything in Red is a terrible idea.

@Jackson

[Korina]

If we lynch the CC, and let's say we actually lynch the cult, who gets culted next? The TPR. If we have a JK/Rolestopper, sure, we could save them, but we're not guaranteed to have one

[Korina]

Battle, explain why we lynch cult before CL is dead. They just recruit back and it makes it harder for town to find the new cult

I haven't said that.

You put in red the thing about not lynching CCs till CL is dead. The CCs will always have cult; therefore, lynching them will kill a cult. While you haven't said it, you have implied it.

[Korina]

If that's not the case, then by all means, explain why that's a horrible idea to you. In fact, explain your thought-process. I'm curious to hear a better alternative than what I said.

[Korina]

You are CL. All you have to do in order to win is obtain parity. That's it.
You have to survive till D3 pretty much. Assuming all recruitments are successful:
You just have to mislynch three times in a row, and you win. (6v2 EoD1 -> 5v3 EoN1 -> 4v3 EoD2/EoN2 -> 3v3 EoD3, Cult Wins)
Even if your friend is lynched D1, you just have to mislynch twice, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 5v2 EoD2 -> 4v3 EoN2 -> 3v3 EoD2, Cult Wins)
Even if both of your friends are lynched D1 and D2, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 6v1 EoD2 -> 5v2 EoN2 -> 4v2 EoD3 -> 3v3 EoN3, Cult Wins)
Even if all three of your friends are lynched D1, D2, and D3, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 6v1 EoD2 -> 5v2 EoN2 -> 5v1 EoD3 -> 4v2 EoN3 -> 3v2 EoD4 -> 2v3 EoN4, Cult Wins)
Even if all four of your friends are lynched D1, D2, D3,

and

D4, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (... 4v1 EoD4 -> 3v2 EoN4 -> 2v2 EoD5, Cult Wins.)
Do you get the point Jackson? Do you see how valuable the CL is to the Cult?

Now, let's assume the CL is lynched D1, and we are not in setup C2:
Excluding setup C1, Remaining alive are

TWO TOWN POWER-ROLES AND ONE CULTIST

. The TPRs say who they are, and they lynch everyone who isn't them. The Cult literally cannot win.
If it is setup C1, the Cop checks whoever they want. Provided they do not return a Cult result, we have the exact same situation as before, where Cult cannot win.
Setup C2 is different, and we have to actually scumhunt.

[Korina]

Literally that Battle

[Korina]

Honestly, at this rate I'm not gonna bother until Monday with this game.

[Korina]

Because the only way the CL claims TPR is if they're at L-1, and if they're already at L-1, they're probably dying anyways, so of course they're claiming TPR.

[Korina]

Out it anyways. I'm debating on trying something, so at this rate either we solve the game entirely, or we screw town over massively.

[Korina]

Logical, do you have anything else you'd like to contribute to the thread or just that?

[Korina]

Well, there goes what I was wanting to do.

[Korina]

Also welcome to the thread Ythan, do you have anything else substantial to provide or are you just gonna RVS me and leave?

[Korina]

Where did I soft tracker?

[Korina]

I don't remember doing anything like that

[Korina]

also, if there is a rolestopper or jailkeeper and you target me at all this entire game, even if it stops me from being culted, we're gonna have words, very angry

w o r d s

This post pings to me as a tracker soft

It's not. That's a post within the time I was shitposting, plus me passively-aggressively trying to prevent any TPR that could prevent me from being culted from preventing that, because I kinda wanna be culted.

[Korina]

also, if there is a rolestopper or jailkeeper and you target me at all this entire game, even if it stops me from being culted, we're gonna have words, very angry

w o r d s

This post pings to me as a tracker soft

Tracker or cop but there's more chance for a tracker AND you've been talking about a tracker a lot more than a cop

Yes, because the Tracker has more interesting mechanics/a more interesting time in this setup than a Cop does.
The Cop literally sees cult or not cult. If you're cult, the counterplay to cop is literally don't get checked, or cult the cop.
The Tracker sees if you visited or not. There's more interesting things about having a tracker in the game than not having a tracker. While I believe I had a PT the last time I played this setup, I can't find it, but I was Tracker in that one, and I remember spending a lot of time thinking about the setup and the mechanics around my role

[Korina]

also, if there is a rolestopper or jailkeeper and you target me at all this entire game, even if it stops me from being culted, we're gonna have words, very angry

w o r d s

This post pings to me as a tracker soft

It's not. That's a post within the time I was shitposting, plus me passively-aggressively trying to prevent any TPR that could prevent me from being culted from preventing that, because I kinda wanna be culted.

Thanks for being anti-town. Vote this fam

To be perfectly honest, you really think I would join a cult game and not be at some level playing for cult, even if I'm not cult?

[Korina]

And I'm not CL. If I'm CL, I don't even post because I know I'm the most likely person to get lynched d1 simply because I'm in the game, and it's a cult game.

[Korina]

Then lynch me. I don't care at this point honestly. If you're all determined I'm cult, fucking lynch me. Get me out of this game. I'm not gonna replace out because I never replace out of cult games. Just know though, when I flip town, you're gonna have to figure out how to make up for today.

[Korina]

I'm leaving this thread now, and I'm not returning until Monday for two reasons: 1) It's Saturday, and I'm V/LA weekends, and 2) I'm already getting frustrated with this game, and it hasn't even started yet.

[Korina]

I mean that y'know,

after

using most of the day to discuss things.
Also, I thought about it, and I'm gonna do this, and return Monday.

VOTE: Korina

I'm at L-1

Ta

[Korina]

Hard to believe this passion and defensiveness comes from a VT less than 12 hours into a new game

Now Battle, point out to me exactly where I said I'm VT. I looked through my ISO, and I only claimed to be not a UT, not Cult, and not softing Tracker. So how are you certain I'm a VT, and not something else?

[Korina]

Out it anyways. I'm debating on trying something, so at this rate either we solve the game entirely, or we screw town over massively.

Logical, do you have anything else you'd like to contribute to the thread or just that?

Jesus Christ.

VOTE: Korina

Well, there goes what I was wanting to do.

Korina, can you please explain this sequence of posts from your perspective? It sounds like you had a plan here, but Ythan voting for you made it un-workable, and then shortly after you basically give up?

Yea, I was gonna self-vote then Ythan voted me. I didn't wanna self-vote after Ythan voted me because then all a cultist has to do is just vote me and claim they didn't realize it was L-1, and they have a free lynch.
L-2 requires both Cult to be around to do it, and that's significantly harder to pull off.

[Korina]

Also, it's utterly surprising that I self-voted, and left for an entire day, and all we got was two pages from it, and a few new people to post, but nothing really substantial overall.

[Korina]

Also, here. Have four games of mine, all cult games, and feel free to look at them and tell me if you think I'm town or cult from them, because there's differences in how I'm playing between the two.

viewtopic.php?t=81377&f=84&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - town
viewtopic.php?t=81570&f=84&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - cult (alt; different typing style)
viewtopic.php?t=81822&f=84&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - town (alt; joke alt)
viewtopic.php?t=82391&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go - publicly outted cult

[Korina]

The first one I was secretly an unrecruitable townie.
The second one I was cult in a game where I had to cult someone twice to recruit them, and if it's a mason, I can't recruit them or something, I don't really remember. I hated that game anyways.
The third one is this setup where I was Tracker.
And the fourth one is where I was a Treestumpted CL, but it does show you basically how I'd spam the thread as cult.

[Korina]

Just as a small aside as well, Scum!Korina does not get angry in thread. Scum!Korina takes it out of the thread and doesn't post because they realize it will likely result in them slipping.
Town!Korina will get angry in thread, because Town!Korina is not Scum!Korina and doesn't have to worry about scumslipping, because they are Town.

[Korina]

And before you say I got angry in thread in the cult game I played under alt, that was because the game was over, and I had lost.

[Korina]

Ok, see all of you Monday!

[Korina]

blah blah blah

This is a good point.

is it? did you read those games? what did you find out from them?

Did you even look at the games I linked? And if you did, do tell us what you got out of them.

[Korina]

I’ll return later today. I had to help with a few things yesterday and haven’t been able to post.