Open 786 | Dream Mafia | Cult Win!

[Korina]

Once again Jackson, you're blatantly missing the point.

The Cult Leader will not play scummily. They will play extremely townie.

The most optimal play for town IMO is to actually lynch the towniest players d1 and d2, to try to force the CL to remain around the middle of the pack and catch them from there. The towniest players are very likely to be culted, especially if we happen to lynch not-CL at any point before CL is dead. Additionally, assuming we're on D3 with two town lynches, it's a 4v3 MyLo. We lynch the CL, the cult

cannot recruit anyone else.

That means we are no longer in MyLo on d4. We have a day we can mislynch and give any surviving TPRs a chance to get another result, or confirm themselves still. Once we're on D4 and the CL is dead, we can go back and scumhunt effectively.

pedit:
Jackson.
Jackson.

Think about it.

You are CL. All you have to do in order to win is obtain parity. That's it.
You have to survive till D3 pretty much. Assuming all recruitments are successful:
You just have to mislynch three times in a row, and you win. (6v2 EoD1 -> 5v3 EoN1 -> 4v3 EoD2/EoN2 -> 3v3 EoD3, Cult Wins)
Even if your friend is lynched D1, you just have to mislynch twice, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 5v2 EoD2 -> 4v3 EoN2 -> 3v3 EoD2, Cult Wins)
Even if both of your friends are lynched D1 and D2, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 6v1 EoD2 -> 5v2 EoN2 -> 4v2 EoD3 -> 3v3 EoN3, Cult Wins)
Even if all three of your friends are lynched D1, D2, and D3, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (7v1 EoD1 -> 6v2 EoN1 -> 6v1 EoD2 -> 5v2 EoN2 -> 5v1 EoD3 -> 4v2 EoN3 -> 3v2 EoD4 -> 2v3 EoN4, Cult Wins)
Even if all four of your friends are lynched D1, D2, D3,

and

D4, you just have to mislynch that day, and you win. (... 4v1 EoD4 -> 3v2 EoN4 -> 2v2 EoD5, Cult Wins.)
Do you get the point Jackson? Do you see how valuable the CL is to the Cult?

Now, let's assume the CL is lynched D1, and we are not in setup C2:
Excluding setup C1, Remaining alive are

TWO TOWN POWER-ROLES AND ONE CULTIST

. The TPRs say who they are, and they lynch everyone who isn't them. The Cult literally cannot win.
If it is setup C1, the Cop checks whoever they want. Provided they do not return a Cult result, we have the exact same situation as before, where Cult cannot win.
Setup C2 is different, and we have to actually scumhunt.

[Korina]

Look at what I posted, and explain to me,

if you are CL, why the fuck aren't you trying to play as townie as possible, to avoid being lynched?

[Korina]

Which, now that I've mentioned that, I am curious:

@mod If the game would end after a mislynch due to it being impossible to prevent cult from obtaining parity via culting that night, does the game end with the lynch, or does the game go to night, and the game ends when day begins?

[JacksonVirgo]

I never said the CL isn't important to the cult, I know that bit I am not stupid. I am saying how would the CL be townier just because they're the CL. For example, if they're a really shit scum player how does them being CL make their skills at scum any better.

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh btw, what stops us from just no-lynching forever(?)

[Korina]

It doesn't. It means they're going to play—or at the very least attempt to play—townier than scum would try on average though.

Pedit: Lynches are mandatory

[Korina]

I knew in the five minutes I spent designing this game that lynches had to be compulsive to prevent a cop from stalling indefinitely to find all the cult.

[JacksonVirgo]

I see, I was about to think up a heckin' abuse of the cult mechanics but alright.
@Korina I think we both are just brain farting at each other. Let us continue on

[JacksonVirgo]

I knew in the five minutes I spent designing this game that lynches had to be compulsive to prevent a cop from stalling indefinitely to find all the cult.

Yeah I was gonna try to see if a cop exists they should claim and do that lmfao

[Korina]

Cult are capped at three living cultist, and lynches are compulsive.
Both of those mechanics are to prevent the game from stalling out forever, or from cult just autowinning after a certain point. Assuming no cult are lynched, cult autowins N2 if they don't have a cap.

[JacksonVirgo]

HEAL: Korina

[JacksonVirgo]

Why exactly is lynching a top-townread D1 beneficial if a doc/jk/rolestopper may exist? Isn't lynching a semi-scummy d1 better, also you saying that CL will be townier allows the CL to act scummy to get the "Not CL" rank from you. Bad bad bad

[Korina]

Also, Jackson, I know my logic makes sense. I know what cult wants to do in this setup. Like I said before, I'm the most dangerous player for cult as town, and the most valuable player for cult as cult. Cultists

will

actively help the CL look townier—they have daytalk after-all—and the CL will actively try harder to look townie. Cult wins so much more in this setup when the CL is alive, and loses that much more when the CL is lynched. I want to believe you are town so far. I genuinely want to, but I can't see how a townie does not see, nor understand, how cult will try to keep CL alive, and how the CL will try to look townier than others.

[JacksonVirgo]

I NEVER SAID THAT I DIDN'T SEE THAT, the fuck.

[JacksonVirgo]

Trying to look townier does not mean they

will

look townier, how do you not understand what I am saying.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also nice pocket

[JacksonVirgo]

I now have a spicy tinfoil but it's neglible at best so I'm gonna keep that close to my chest until later

[Korina]

First, no doctor. Rolestopper is the doctor for this setup.
Second, we know I'm not UT. That means I could still be a JK or Rolestopper. I can't target myself if that's the case, and if that's the case, and cult recruits me, when I go to claim JK/Rolestopper, guess what? Nobody will CC me, meaning I still am confirmed "town" even though I was culted. I'm not going to say if I am one or not, simply because if I am one, we can all guarantee I get culted tonight because nobody can stop me from getting culted; however, if I'm not one, the real one will likely be on me to prevent me from getting culted.
Third, if we have a JK, they should try to get whoever they think is CL if they don't believe we have a Tracker, which is 2/3 times they appear. If they think we have a Tracker, they should always jail whoever they think will be culted.
Fourth, the more I think about it, the more it really only works if there are multiple players we believe are guaranteed town D1. The reason why is because if we have two people who we believe are guaranteed town, cult will recruit one of them, and we could possibly protect one of them. There's the chance JK/Rolestopper and CL target the same person, but there's also the chance they don't. If that's the case, and that player is able to continue making people believe they are town, what do we do once CL is dead? Because we know one of them is cult. Alternatively, cult just ignores both of them and makes a less optimal cult, which is good for town—this also happens if we have two extremely townie players, and one of them is lynched d1. The JK/Rolestopper is guaranteed to be on that other player, meaning cult is forced to cult unoptimally.
Fifth, anyone who plays blatantly scum is still an auto-lynch from me. Cult could reasonably use this against us, but there'd be a point where we stop lynching them, and reasonably by that point, the CL pool is already small.

[Korina]

I also agree Jackson; I really have no idea what you're saying at this point, so I'm going to simply stop pushing the issue, and agree to disagree.

[JacksonVirgo]

Let us speed hammer Drew
VOTE: Drew

[Korina]

I'd actually like Drew to post more first. I remember being pretty accurate when it came to reading him, so I'm willing to bet that I can read him later on.

[Korina]

Plus, on a non-serious note, I'd still like Jesus Christ to die for our sins. Or would we have to wait till D3 to do that? I don't really know religion, which is ironic because of my affinity for cults.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I caught onto something and I hope I'm right that would be le epic

[JacksonVirgo]

It'd be hilarious if Jesus is the unrecruitable dudes

[Korina]

It'd be more hilarious if Jesus was CL IMO.