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Post Post #925 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:06 am

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Votecount 5.3

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With 10 alive, it's 6 to dunk on someone.
(expired on 2020-08-17 08:18:59) until our crash landing.
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Post Post #926 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:16 am

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VOTE: Chemical Elements time to dunk, we're running out of time
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Post Post #927 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:18 am

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we need to be careful of chain dunks once this elim goes through. sorry for not really being around that much lately, RL is getting busy
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Post Post #928 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:40 am

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I thought I was already voting Chemical Elements.
We do need to keep moving so let's go, VOTE: Chemical Elements.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #929 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:06 am

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Elim chem elem elim chem elem elim chem elem clim-- dang.
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Post Post #930 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:46 am

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If this flips town Hiraki is banned from the cool kids club.
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Post Post #931 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:46 am

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(Not that he was allowed in to begin with.)
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Post Post #932 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:11 am

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In post 884, Hiraki wrote:that was to unveil his ~true power level~
stop being jelly xD xD
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Post Post #933 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:19 am

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btw,, what i meant
just learnt to select quote, stop judging (highlight quote then "quote")
In post 539, Nono wrote:repeated "good" point, or should I say "cloned"
In post 203, hellbooks wrote:btw it's kind of weird you didn't have an inital opinion of innocent villager in your first readslist post (putting him in the who category)
feel like he was a big and clearly polarizing presence
In post 267, WeyounsLastClone wrote:The first thing Innocentvillager did was vote for everyone, did that not stand out to you? Or saw it as a null-tell, or townie move?
In post 293, Nono wrote:Do I have to spell it out?
*sigh*
VOTE: clone

p-edit: eh.
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Post Post #934 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:20 am

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VOTE: Raya kek
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Post Post #935 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:27 am

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Oh beautiful, 933 will sit nicely with the end of Nono's post.
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Post Post #936 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:33 am

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In post 848, Marksman wrote:Never mind, I read this post from Raya again and it really creeps me out.
In post 790, Raya36 wrote:
In post 761, Marksman wrote:Okay, Raya. You need to look at the reasons I scumread Wey for and determine whether they were legitimate or fabricated ones for a planned bus.
Will do

As far as your first vote on him goes it was the first vote on the wagon aside from inno's vote which doesn't really count.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you scumread him for finding players who haven't posted yet to be suspicious. You questioned him about this which means you were giving him a chance.

One of the reasons I scumread him was because his biggest suspect was someone with 1 post, yes. Questioning him about this is normal and how you scumhunt. Determining questioning as "giving your scum partner a chance" is really strange.


You said we should dunk around now when Wey was tied at D-2 and you specifically said you'd be fine with Wey being dunked as well as someone much farther from being dunked. So clearly if you're partners with Wey there was 0 intent of trying to save him. You were off the wagon for a bit and stopped mentioning him so maybe you realized there'd be no saving him and the towncred was better than helping him live.

You're starting with the conclusion, and trying to find a suitable reason for it. Like, working backwards from your answer. Why is that more likely than me scumreading and wanting to dunk Wey?


Then from there you were committed to his dunk as he was the top on your list of who you wanted to dunk next.

Tell me why you couldn't have just been early distancing from Wey then later when he was essentially destined to be dunked bussing him?

What's the difference between my early and later interactions with Wey? Where is the transition from distancing to committing to bus? I don't get where you're drawing this stuff from, and concluding it's more likely a bus rather than a natural scumread.


In post 761, Marksman wrote:You said something about page 15 making you put inno down as town, and Marksman down as scum. Could you go into that?
To clarify it wasn't solely page 15. It just happened to be when I was reading 15 that I felt more confident even unrelated since I was thinking about the past pages as well.

For Inno:
-I had been agreeing with most of what he said
-He was pushing for more activity page 15
-His take in seems more like something scum would turn into a scumread. Not townread them for it. I strongly think that was a more town approach to that read
- is good too. Maybe biased since it's my slot and I know I'm town but the fact that he defended a highly voted wagon that's conftown to me when as scum he could have just let it get eliminated. Especially in this set-up. He also continues to defend my slot.

For Marksman:
-Honestly mainly tonal
-Also biased that you keep fighting for my slot to be dunked this page and arguing with Inno who is a pretty strong townread for me
-I disagree with you saying pressure votes don't work
-You also say in that Inno is a bit towny but then have him as number 3 in your dunk list.

Talked about this in .
Almost all of the reasons seem really fake, but the only reason I'm hesitant is because why does scum!Raya enter the game scumreading Marksman over other people who had more votes?
Section 1: I didn't mean giving your scumbuddy a chance necessarily. Regardless of your alignment I was just noting that you weren't forcing a bus as scum or an elimination as town.

Section 2: That's just how I think about things. I like to take what happened and see if I can find any motivation for it that makes sense. I never said that's more likely. That's why I said maybe. But I do know that would have been a likely situation for scum to bus if they ever would this game.

Section 3: This is all hypothetical. I'm saying it's a possibility not a conclusion. That's the tough part about mafia. It can be hard to tell if someone is natural or a bus. I'm leaning towards it being natural now but at the time I was highly considering a bus.
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Post Post #937 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:36 am

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In post 916, Marksman wrote:I wanted her to talk about my reasons for scumreading Wey and whether she found them legitimate or bussy. Instead, she looked at what I did (like scumreading and committing to dunk Wey) and then tried to draw conclusions of how that could come from scum, instead of thinking about what scum is likely to do, and then seeing whether that's what I was doing. So again, working backwards from the conclusion.
What's wrong with that? I think backwards, you think forwards
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Post Post #938 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:38 am

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In post 933, Nono wrote:btw,, what i meant
just learnt to select quote, stop judging (highlight quote then "quote")
You learn something new everyday....
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Post Post #939 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:36 pm

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Votecount 5.Final

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Hiraki
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innocentvillager
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(expired on 2020-08-17 08:18:59) until this train goes off the rails.
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Post Post #940 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:39 pm

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Chemical Elements WAS DUNKED ON, HE WAS A
VANILLA TOWNIE
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Post Post #941 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:39 pm

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Votecount 6.0

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Marksman
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(expired on 2020-08-17 11:18:59) until the buzzer beeps.


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Post Post #942 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:48 pm

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This is frustrating. Feels like a shot in the dark now. Hiraki and Nono is where I'm placing my bets
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Post Post #943 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:10 pm

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Ahhhhh, _o--<
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Post Post #944 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:30 pm

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I still don't see Nono the way he's being seen
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #945 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:35 pm

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grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble







grumble





Spoiler:
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Post Post #946 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:44 pm

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Read list and recent thoughts and stuff

Casey - Townadise in proactiveness and that associations post.
Isis - Townage tone, nuanced thoughts of nuanceyness.
Nono - Her wallpost was Townity.
innocentvillager - Consistently speeds up dunks which is very good for town considering how slow we're going and has little towncred potential. Shady tone.
Almost50 - Has a towny tone. Disappeared recently, hasn't been very proactive.
Lavender - Close to null. Forgot to meta her. Reminder to do that tomorrow.
Raya36 - Funny feelings of fabrication.
Hiraki - I consistently disagree with his takes. Could be that we think very differently, or that his alignment differs from mine.
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Post Post #947 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:06 pm

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In post 946, Marksman wrote:Casey - Townadise in proactiveness and that associations post.
At least we agree on that. Based on VCA she had very little impact on mis-dunks, and I would think scum would have needed to throw more weight to get 4 mis-dunks in a row.

I still suspect
at least one
of Nono/Isis is scum, but -as I told CE- I have no case. :(

I would also have Hiraki and Raya higher on my own readlist. I don't think Scum!Hiraki pushes CE so blatantly knowing he would flip green.

In short, I am lost. A BIG part of how I was reading the game has been based on CE flipping red (and thus assumed scum were lining up mis-dunks and using the deadline as a "scarecrow" to speed it up).

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Post Post #948 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:15 pm

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Yeah, it's a little weird right now. There's not enough feelings of scuminess from the remaining players to account for 3 of them. Scum are playing well.
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Post Post #949 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:20 pm

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In post 947, Almost50 wrote:I don't think Scum!Hiraki pushes CE so blatantly knowing he would flip green.
Eh, I think Hiraki is the type of player who would do that as scum actually. Iirc, he's done it in Chromavalon mafia, but he didn't get his target dunked in that case.
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