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[Isis]

that's mean because I'm drinking

and probably wrong because of the majority heaven wincon?

[Isis]

i want to go back to stuff i saw earlier and didn't comment on

while i am here

[WaltertheDunce10]

Yeah, that is a good point.
It serves both win conditions.
Something to consider for heaven phase,
Do we send a more town read person or do we send a less town read person?
Actually this answer could be affected on flip of H1 so yeah.
@ Everyone
Would you attempt during the first heaven phase to send a mostly town person or a lesser town read person?

Pedit that is interesting.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Some stronger town players intentionally stayed behind in that game, refusing to be heavened because they wanted to be in the game thread and solve. That’s a good town strategy right there.

That's stupid, heavened players get to solve in judgment day. That's backerds

I am curious Isis, how much of a main thread do you follow in a game once you are eliminated?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Some stronger town players intentionally stayed behind in that game, refusing to be heavened because they wanted to be in the game thread and solve. That’s a good town strategy right there.

That's stupid, heavened players get to solve in judgment day. That's backerds

But they don’t get to impact or comment on what’s going on in the main thread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess it's a choice of preference, do you want someone you strongly townread to go up to heaven where they can make the right decision if the rest of us suck and we end up on doomsday.
Or do we keep them here to lead us blind sheep to greener pastures.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Yes, that is the question,
Now another question,
How much will a person follow until game end as a martyr.
They have been eliminated and I think there might be a psychological competent to that.
Norwee, when you are eliminated, and have checked the dead thread, what is the next thing you do?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes, that is the question,
Now another question,
How much will a person follow until game end as a martyr.
They have been eliminated and I think there might be a psychological competent to that.
Norwee, when you are eliminated, and have checked the dead thread, what is the next thing you do?

I read the game thread every now and then to see what's going on. If i'm scum, whether my team is winning. If i'm town, just reading to see the outcome.

[WaltertheDunce10]

Alright, fair answer.
How closely would you say you read the thread?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright, fair answer.
How closely would you say you read the thread?

Well, usually i read it all the way through. But maybe i skip some of the longer more boring posts? Depends on the entertainment value of the game though.

[Isis]

Spoiler: stuff before 151 i looked at

I need to know if you're kidding or not about your guessing skilz.
Cause uh my readrate is etto really bad on Hectic right now, like really bad, and I would kind of like to policy heaven that.

if it means you'll policy heaven me then i am obviously Hectic friend : )

idk ok I know this already when through a rebuttal but I still feel like it's iffy
it's a bit of false equivalency about heaven being strictly positive in general when it's a lot easier to view it that way for scum.
Like as town, there is no difference between "being in heaven" and "not being in heaven yet"
It's still super weak and kind of a page 2 thing
but i'm starting form the beginning so yer

I need to know if you're kidding or not about your guessing skilz.
Cause uh my readrate is etto really bad on Hectic right now, like really bad, and I would kind of like to policy heaven that.

if it means you'll policy heaven me then i am obviously Hectic friend : )

Historically towns playing this setup that have heavened scum early have won, so you shouldn't be smiley if you're town. That's what I was part of last time.

Does this mean I actually finished a game without you playing in it or spectating it, Hectic?

really ??? that's surprising
is that cuz of flip and associations?
obv heavening town and helling scum is better EV though ...

ok actually this completely obviates my point cause then his level of perception of the setup is actually at ground zero for sure

and this isn't categorically something that gets faked because it's theory

Hectic wanna see a cute waifu magic card I spent all my birthday money on

Whether or not I see a picture of a Japanese Narset in your upcoming post will determine how I read you moving forward.

pedit: Hmmm

i feel the need to nerd, and say, that this post would be scummy if I had posted a picture of progenitus, who is also very appendagey and big, and awesome, and one of my favorites, because she kind of telegraphed a splerurge of alignment expository posting in response to me failing to post narset

BUT
butBUTbut
Narset and Emrakul are both weird denial "you don't get to do whats you want to do" cards
which justifies her hmm
because i posted something narset adjacent
emrakul dumps all the cards out of your hands when during the controlled turn, narset just says on the card for your opponent to skip some draws
it is a similar effect
and they are both strong independent females
who have been banned or restricted in at least one format for being so mean and good at denying cards (Emrakul was banned from standard right after i spent so much birthday money on her, narset parter of veils is restricted to 1 per deck in vintage ruleset)

Isis you just ignored my question in favour of talking about cards. WHY is your text Purply?

Hectic said this was scummy
And I think Norwee always interacts with people over nai garbage at the beginning over game
and then i think oh also norwee is always scum in every game you've played so far.
So I guess I don't really know? but ignoringt he person it just looks like a question that was probably going to get ignored if he didn't ask again

i was planing to talk about
the kaladesh
next

Ok if that won't push me to pull the trigger nothing will

I will not actually regret this decision

When I opened Amazon they were sitting in my cart, right where I've had them ambivalently for three months, on the precipice of my desire

One day I will join you! Can't really play magic right now though and I like buying from my store
My sleeves have collected a lot of dust over the past 5 months of shuffling waiting for the world to open up again.

IMAGE

sober me composed this post earlier and backspaced but drunk me offers more unsolicited advice : my local game store owner made it clear on War of Spark release that he will have little to no availability of anime art planeswalker because it only comes out of boxes you buy in japan and buying drugdealzy boxes from japan just so people might buy anime art singles isnt as good a deal as just sticking with american inventory. so you might not be able to support your local game store with respect to anime planeswalker purchases (you might! but, maybe not)
I am waiting for the stores to open up to buy Ox of Agonas for my dredge deck from my local store even though I am tempted to order it and feel like I have it in my pocket cause i want to support.

No one else is giving me a vibe they are actually trying to town tell.
Honestly,VOTE: Cthylla is probably the worse offender of the 2.


Everyone else seems very mellow to me so I don't have super strong opinions across the board on them.

this didn't occur to me on first readhtrough but on second did you know have you played with hectic and his kind of default status is is "is trying to towntell"? certainly as scum too but like
he always has that vibe
he starts the game and he says
I want to be the cat that runs up the tree not that cat that didn't
AND HE HAS AN ADORABLE KITTEN NOW!!!!!
so anyway i would tempoer your assessment if you'ven't played him

Norwee is fun to bully
it is not strange to bully Norwee in any context

I see.

Bully noewee is terrible
Why bully in life.
VOTE: isis

This post was a little disconcerting cause i'm always worried about stuf that does this dance of being ambiguous of whether it should be counted for tally for solving

Does that make sense?
I want walter to be town cause he is new to site
welcome walter
pls to solve and this goes for word321 too, try not to think about strategies and just play the way to express your alignment
i have been using this word more lately express your alignment
it feels pretty

Everyone else seems very mellow to me so I don't have super strong opinions across the board on them.

I am very hurt by that Hayasaka.

I am sorry Norwei I didn't mean to do that to you
I appreciate everything you have done so far!

mm what would you say he had done so far by here?

I don't want to send Isis anywhere I want her to stay in purgatory so she can share more cat pictures

This is weekly town indicative
because as a slip Dannflor is contemplating being in the thread with me, which means he is not devoting much mentals space to getting heavened (as a scum goal) or helled(as a scum fear) early
UNVOTE:
I didn't notice it the second time i noticed it the first time
I was busy ok
I wanna scumbin dannflor for two consecutive pages one day :/

VOTE: Green Crayons

don't like his entrance
agreeing with Hayasaka on a questionable theory
voting Isis for disliking her font
the theory is bad because Isis's entrance isn't different from her norm
also people post for fun
like Isis entered like this in her last game of achievement hunting

it's a good theory in the sense that it is a towny theory

i agree
Hayasaka is cool for it

I still don't have heads or tails of this sequence where the Hayasaka theory was both bad and good?

I am now alive.

This is a good mafia game no matter what happens from here

Green Crayons has played with Isis before !
the "happy with my vote" bit i didn't like
don't know why but maybe cuz it feels like he's putting unreasonable confidence in something which doesn't warrant it?

i should know isis's early game play from playing one game with her = dumb take

also lol i forgot how she entered that game, and also it's not comparable to here so = double dumb take

"happy with my vote" as in, i'm happy to take hay's theory down the Isis chute in responding to why hay wanted to go the Cth route

Is the difference between the Isis chute and the Cth chute font??
there's nothing more in your posts that i can find
what's the deal
I only figured out the "chutes" the second time
chutes and ladders

I like cats
Ur fonts look horrible in sepia
Maybe Ill get used to it

But lets get the ball roling
Has anyone played on this setup before?
Are there any strategies regarding this? As mafia and as town

Since there are no PRs, I guess a lot of traditional strategy is discarded here

I think scum would prefer to take a role assignment to "bitcher" or "nonbitcher" like GC or Cyth and I kind of like appreciating half the wincon-perpendicular behavior and complaining about half.
I think this entrance was objectively better than walter's
which means it was subjectively better but I am being superlative
which is annoying
have you even met someone who uses "literally" as their only superlative
and some people sprinkle "literally" in as a superlative that's normal
but one someone has no superlatives but that one
after a while you start to htink
"what this word actually means is exactly, in a way that is not superlative at all. When you say the taco form taco bell is literally mud in a roll of kleenex, you are incorrect because kleenex was not used."
Anyway I just did the same thing bad me

Has anyone played on this setup before?
Are there any strategies regarding this? As mafia and as town

I have. In another forum.
I played as scum in a 5 man team. D1 we bussed 1 scum, and then consequently heavened 2 people. We needed 1 moe but after that we got screwed by associations. It’s a hard setup for scum so i’m assuming they will try to muddy associations. Town should just play like town, not much difference there.

That is good to know.
Even though I have not played this setup at all.
I did some reading of the setup and I am thinking during heaven phase we should be careful with e-1 since scum will have incentive to self-hammer.
Also pressure votes too.
In your game norwee did that occur?

yeah so I referenced earlierer towards walter about setup strat talk
this shit is largely irrelevant
compared to townread some towny people and scumread some scummy people

[Isis]

Yeah, that is a good point.
It serves both win conditions.
Something to consider for heaven phase,
Do we send a more town read person or do we send a less town read person?
Actually this answer could be affected on flip of H1 so yeah.
@ Everyone
Would you attempt during the first heaven phase to send a mostly town person or a lesser town read person?

Pedit that is interesting.

this is actually a difficult question
but the way we play the hell phases is much, much more important
after my last purgatory game my impression is to heaven someone whose associations to other players is very clear, which may not have to do with alignment exactly
I know that's weird
basically everything is tradeoffs i think

[Isis]

Some stronger town players intentionally stayed behind in that game, refusing to be heavened because they wanted to be in the game thread and solve. That’s a good town strategy right there.

That's stupid, heavened players get to solve in judgment day. That's backerds

I am curious Isis, how much of a main thread do you follow in a game once you are eliminated?

When I have no powers that function after death, I generally spectate whatever game interests me the most on site until I have /inned to a game that replaces that "slot". Sometimes that game is the one I died in, like with Autumnal. Sometimes, it is not.
If I have powers that function after death, it's a very easy tiebreaker to choose to watch the game I can still affect and improve my chances to win.

[Isis]

Some stronger town players intentionally stayed behind in that game, refusing to be heavened because they wanted to be in the game thread and solve. That’s a good town strategy right there.

That's stupid, heavened players get to solve in judgment day. That's backerds

But they don’t get to impact or comment on what’s going on in the main thread.

I guess it's a choice of preference, do you want someone you strongly townread to go up to heaven where they can make the right decision if the rest of us suck and we end up on doomsday.
Or do we keep them here to lead us blind sheep to greener pastures.

Since philosophically I tend to believe/want to believe that Day 1 is 80% of the dayplay of any game I care about wisdom rather tahn ability to engage and affecting weak days that aren't day1

but I know my view is atypical

[Isis]

as some amount of comprimiese toward green crayons i'm not gonna correct my bbcode errors

[Isis]

Alright, fair answer.
How closely would you say you read the thread?

Do you think you'd be unable to stay interested in the thread if you were to be heavened, Walter?

[WaltertheDunce10]

Yes, for sure, once I am elimed I tend to stray to other games.
I do like to read but engagement for me is helped by having an active role and being forced to participate.

Actually so far in terms of reads I tr you and norwee.
So VOTE: unvote
But other reads will have to wait on a reread when I wake up.
Good night.

[Isis]

Buenas noches Walter el tonto

[Dannflor]

You see it as scummy and not mildly towny now?

I am honestly not sure what I see it as now but I wanted to see what would happen if I voted there

[Dannflor]

Isis did you like word's entrance or did you just find it objectively better than Walter's

because I find that I objectively dislike word's entrance

[Isis]

they both are worse than my rand expectation of how an a player whose name I don't recognize onboards onto a game

but like I'm also trying to reconcile that with knowing this is a lobby with 5 very experienced players 1 secret alt that's probably the same thing, 2 newbies and the last person is me, and the split is a 6:3. So "the two newbies seem to have underwhelming entrances" has some probabilistic orange flags to it.
So I guess that tempts me to grave on a curve?

anyway not surprised by a take that you dislike word's entrance

[Dannflor]

Green Crayons has played with Isis before !
the "happy with my vote" bit i didn't like
don't know why but maybe cuz it feels like he's putting unreasonable confidence in something which doesn't warrant it?

oh and I was going to respond to this but forgot

Is unreasonable confidence for something that doesn't warrant it scummy?

I think Green Crayons had an awkward/uncharismatic entrance (sorry green crayons I'm sure you are very charismatic outside of this particular instance) which might make for bad vibes but I think I'm not seeing the part that is scummy

[Dannflor]

I don't dislike his entrance on isolation but I dislike its placement on page 6 of the game

[Isis]

wait is your legislative agenda that people can bully me on the first five pages of games now

[Dannflor]

Yes, for sure, once I am elimed I tend to stray to other games.
I do like to read but engagement for me is helped by having an active role and being forced to participate.

Actually so far in terms of reads I tr you and norwee.
So VOTE: unvote
But other reads will have to wait on a reread when I wake up.
Good night.

my gut wanted to town read this post because it seemed pure and is a nice reaction to being asked if they would be a good heaven candidate

but my head says that there was a reason walter started all the heaven talk in the first place?