Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[teacher]

Fair nuff.

[Bell]

Marashu doesn’t have lurk activated. He’s not here.

I have no comment on the last two pages.

[Bell]

Oh. I can talk about marashu,
Not sure if his post is genuinely chastened or just survivalism.

[Bell]

It reads fine both ways. Middle paragraph is a little weird and the SVS thought is bizarre.
He’s presenting himself as pretty upfront. It sounds like he’s new as either alignment?

[TemporalLich]

VC 1.15

Jake The Wolfie (5) - Almost50, dramonic, Hiraki, Testarossa, Marashu [E-2]

Marashu (4) - Dannflor, teacher, PenguinPower, Menalque [E-3]
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald
Menalque (1) - Dunnstral
Dannflor (1) - Bell
Hiraki (1) - Jake The Wolfie

Not voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Bell is V/LA until Monday.

Menalque is V/LA until August 21st.

[PenguinPower]

who should I vote for PP

Marashu seems a good vote rn.

[Menalque]

who should I vote for PP

Marashu seems a good vote rn.

VC 1.15

Jake The Wolfie (5) - Almost50, dramonic, Hiraki, Testarossa, Marashu [E-2]

Marashu (4) - Dannflor, teacher, PenguinPower, Menalque [E-3]
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald
Menalque (1) - Dunnstral
Dannflor (1) - Bell
Hiraki (1) - Jake The Wolfie

Not voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Bell is V/LA until Monday.

Menalque is V/LA until August 21st.

ain't it grand how things work out

[PenguinPower]

well like, ur alignment would show bro, so we'd know if you were town or scum

"That is a non-answer to my question. How would my alignment be more informative than, say, executing Penguin?"

You’ve done more this game than I have for one.

What made you use me as an example?

[PenguinPower]

ain't it grand how things work out

Indeed.

[PenguinPower]

Why would we not

keep in mind I still need to read

Because I’m beautiful.

[Menalque]

(mara, dunn, testa, Jake) ~(hiraki > A50) ~~(PP > bell/gamma) ----- dram > teacher > dann, me

[PenguinPower]

What am I looking at there?

[Bell]

Are you saying that penguin is better than me and gamma combined.
Rude.

[Bell]

Scummy to townie left to right I think.

[Menalque]

(scumpool) ~(pool if any names in scumpool green) ~~(extended scumpool if more than a couple names green/people get conf!d by role) ---- townreads > weaker > towards > stronger

[PenguinPower]

Are you saying that penguin is better than me and gamma combined.

[PenguinPower]

Scummy to townie left to right I think.

(scumpool) ~(pool if any names in scumpool green) ~~(extended scumpool if more than a couple names green/people get conf!d by role) ---- townreads > weaker > towards > stronger

Ty

[Jake The Wolfie]

well like, ur alignment would show bro, so we'd know if you were town or scum

"That is a non-answer to my question. How would my alignment be more informative than, say, executing Penguin?"

You’ve done more this game than I have for one.

What made you use me as an example?

"The fabulous website of [preferred randomization site]."

[teacher]

Scum to town I think. And he is saying that penguin is scummier than you divided by gamma. I’m roughly here, so don’t mind the wagons even if I’m not inclined to

Teach
Mena Dann Hiraki
Bell Gamma Testa
Dram Jake A50
PP* Dunn Marashu

Pedit - see the intro was covered like 4 times but not deleting.

[Bell]

I was joking because > can mean more than.

[teacher]

Bell nobody has interest in your vanity wagon. Do useful things w your vote.

[Menalque]

okay I'm now gonna prodge until deadline can someone yell at me if I make a post with content please

[Bell]

Bell nobody has interest in your vanity wagon. Do useful things w your vote.

Really. I hadn’t noticed.

[Bell]

I figure the jake elimination will fill on its own, and i’m not particularly interested in my own alignment.
Marashu wagon is easy. But see nothing concrete.

[Dannflor]

Dramonic, Hiraki,

I think there's a good chance you're both town, at least one of you believes I might be town,

let's real talk.

I think you guys need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize that just because you haven't gotten along with Menalque in this game specifically doesn't mean he isn't town. And at this point refusing to reevaluate him is extremely anti-town.

First of all, it is extremely rare (particularly in the site's current meta) for scum to top post in a game. What's even rarer is for that top poster to have OVER DOUBLE the next poster's total post count. Menalque has more posts than Dramonic and Hiraki COMBINED. The last scum player I saw who could maintain that type of presence was RadiantCowbells.

But okay, you might say, Menalque has posted a lot of fluff. Or he's posting a lot because he's been caught since page 3 and he's flailing. Let's ignore his mild temper tantrum from the last few pages that he absolutely never throws as scum because all it accomplishes is destroying his own credibility. Let's ignore the fact that his frustration with the game reads extremely genuine and it's backed up by 300+ posts of earnest solving that no one in this game approaches. I say we should ignore it because even though the AtE here (not all AtE is scum) SHOULD be confirming Menalque is town to you, you're going to brush it off as "lul he's frustrated scum who got caught."

Why isn't he frustrated scum who just got caught? Consider the fact that he's continually tried to question both of you to get a better read on your alignments despite the fact that the majority of your responses have been "lul caught scum." Unless he thinks he can pocket you, he has very little reason to do this as scum versus primarily appealing to the crowd. But, even despite dramonic being like a brick wall to talk to, Menalque has evolved his scum read on dramonic from early in the game to a town read. That's not something that furthers his win condition as scum. Continuing to try to engage with you fruitlessly is also a hallmark of town desperation, not scum desperation. Neither of you carry the influence in this game that your confidence suggests, scum!Menalque does not need to be afraid of you or appease you in anyway. Menalque has consistently tried to get some kind of good faith engagement going with both of you.

The popular theory, from dramonic at least, I think is that Menalque and TH/Jake are teamed. I can tell you right now that giving up with a lot of AtE and exasperatingly voting Jake is not how scum busses. Just via the amount of posting Menalque has done this game you can tell he cares a lot. If he's scum and realizes his partner is going down, he's going to bus for cred. What he's doing now actively strips his credibility no matter what.

And then like, his focus hasn't even entirely been on you guys. Actually contrary to both of you, who seem to have very few reads... Hiraki is actually better in this regard, dramonic just seems to focus on his scum team. Menalque has from the start of the game tried to make sense of the entire player list. Go into his ISO and look specifically at his read trajectory on Gamma, try to step into his shoes for a moment and realize, wow, that's a towny trajectory that actually makes a lot of sense even if you don't agree with it. Even this late into D1, he's constantly returning to slots like Gypx or Marashu and reevaluating. Slots that have barely posted enough to be reevaluated. It's a level of effort that is A. not needed or optimal from scum!Menalque and B. just more likely to come from town earnestly wanting to solve the game.

I'm writing all of this because I think it's actually fairly probable that you could both be town. But I'm not sure. One of the major sticking points for me with both of your slots (more dramonic than you Hiraki, to be fair) is your continued insistence that Menalque is this open-wolf scum to the point that you seem to refuse to reevaluate at all. I'm not sure if it's scummy because I've seen far more frustrating plays from town before, but it sure as hell is anti-town.

It's exacerbated by the fact that your reads don't seem to have progressed in 40 pages. I don't get the sense you're really reading Menalque's post or absorbing new information and assimilating that with the reads you decided on page 10.

I don't know, just be a little transparent here? Talk to me? Even if you think I'm scum? Or both of us are scum?