Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbf this is a little confused because I’m not sure how much big a threat scum!gamma sees me as town.

But I wouldn’t know you’re town as scum

Honestly this reads as a genuine townslip

[Dannflor]

I think that's a bit of a mis-rep.

Menalque has had the slot as mostly a mixed to lean town most of the game and I think largely because he found the reasons for scum reading the slot icky.

[Gamma Emerald]

Christ that is fast replacement

what

[Gamma Emerald]

I think that's a bit of a mis-rep.

Menalque has had the slot as mostly a mixed to lean town most of the game and I think largely because he found the reasons for scum reading the slot icky.

Is this @me?

[Dannflor]

Saying I'm not reevaluating is inaccurate. "yep, still scum" is a reevaluation ya rude muffin.

Still feels as though you are not evaluating other slots in the game.

Like, you've got your four scum, yes. The chances you are incorrect on multiple of those is pretty high. I don't really see you trying to sort the people on the side.

Maybe you are and I'm just not seeing it behind your blaze of confidence.

[Dannflor]

I think that's a bit of a mis-rep.

Menalque has had the slot as mostly a mixed to lean town most of the game and I think largely because he found the reasons for scum reading the slot icky.

Is this @me?

no that was at dramonic

[Gamma Emerald]

Only half way mena. I kind of agree with Dann here.
Initial read has haven as townish again.
You seem like a carbon copy of all the games i’ve played with you.
I think this is a corner scum game. But I don’t think i’ve Seen you take pot shots there yet, why?

Uh what is this all about

Dramonic is weird to me. Half the time he has a townie mindset. The other half he seems to be full of shit. But I don’t know what the shit is for.

This however, I’m interested in talking with you about. How are you feeling about dram at this point?

Btw how much mafia exp do you have?

[Dannflor]

Also, I suppose I can something I was trying to convey with my wall much more concisely.

Basically, I *really* think Menalque is town here.

If you think I am town as well, maybe take that into some consideration. Although I'm not asking you to change your reads just because mine are different.

And I know dramonic thinks I'm scum but I don't really know why I feel like he just calls me that because I defend Menalque and pushed Hiraki at one point

[Gamma Emerald]

VC 1.10

Jake The Wolfie (4) - Almost50, dramonic, Hiraki, Testarossa [E-3]
Hiraki (2) - Menalque, Bell
teacher (2) - Marashu, Dunnstral
Dunnstral (2) - teacher, Dannflor
dramonic (1) - Gamma Emerald

Not voting: Gypyx, Jake The Wolfie

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-23 18:40:00) or when an exile is reached.

Dannflor is V/LA until Saturday sometime.

(This is for my convenience, and is not a mod-approved vote count.)

Jake sorts out a few things first.

UNVOTE:

"I don't partake in my vote lingering on someone for whom I don't have strong feelings about one way or the other. I can understand all 4 votes on me however. Could the four fine and lovely people voting me detail an explanation for voting this body? Optionally, could everyone else explain their votes on who they chose? Be a doll and do it for me, thanks."

Jake is seen flipping through a notebook, with the title

[OPEN 789 TRANSCRIPT]

on the cover, in big, bolded letters.

[Hiraki]

oh gamma, so naive

[Gamma Emerald]

I think jake is town

Why

What specifically in Jake’s posting made you think he was town
In fact I feel like a couple things he posted were a little questionable

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, what understandable reasons?

Jake twirled around a brimstone cane he was holding

"Well, if we take it that Hiraki is town, then to be accused as scum for something out of their control, Billy Pilgrim, would make them reasonably uncooperative, because there is an endless stream of reasons why Billy decided to be replaced, and to assume that it was because they were evil would make Hiraki, their replacement, almost definitely upset. Even if Hiraki was evil themselves, to be caught for these reasons to still be expected. However, a Hiraki that is town would have reason to separate themselves from others, as they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy to themselves. It seems that Hiraki feels like everyone else has burned their bridges with them, so with all of this considered, I find it reasonable to see that Hiraki would isolate themselves."

Is the horrible grammar intentional?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel kinda bad because I think I am actively marginalising dram, but I don’t really see any other options here?

Why does this feel like scum goo (borrowing this term from Flavor Leaf)

[Gamma Emerald]

If I were a gimmick account I would fall and die on that sword.
You have more experience than me so i’ll take that under consideration. But that’s not a life changing take for me.

Yeah my take on Jake is he always does this, he just seems the type of person to do it.

Also I’m def townreading Bell from what I’ve seen of them so far

Also I’m getting bored so I’ll probably hold the rest of my catch up for later

Was considering lobbying against current wagons but with how Jake has acted so far in my catch-up I’m not feeling that anymore

[dramonic]

Also, I suppose I can something I was trying to convey with my wall much more concisely.

Basically, I *really* think Menalque is town here.

If you think I am town as well, maybe take that into some consideration. Although I'm not asking you to change your reads just because mine are different.

And I know dramonic thinks I'm scum but I don't really know why I feel like he just calls me that because I defend Menalque and pushed Hiraki at one point

Your opinions on Menalque/Hiraki have little to no bearing on my read of you tho. I don't think you're allied with Menalque, so you'd have no reason to lie about your read there even as opposing scum.
Your play seems to be more centered around not ruffling feathers than actually catching scum is one major issue with you, along with pushing for lurkers vs informational lynches.
Teacher has presented similar problems, but he's so INTENSELY passive about everything that I'm ambivalent at this point because it could just be a really... playstyle. Also he seems to vote literally by playing roulette, so I dunno man.

There, you got your civil exchange, now stop being dumb <_<

[teacher]

intent

[Jake The Wolfie]

intent

"Ooh, how exciting! An execution will be fun to watch! What, you think I would let you harm my spirit? Oh 9 circles no! I'll watch in-person, in-body."

[Dannflor]

are you not claiming

[Jake The Wolfie]

are you not claiming

"Claim? I claim to be innocent and, frustratingly, powerless. Off this body if you wish, I have no investment in this mortal coil. I knew trying to turn the public opinion was a futile endeavor, but I tried nonetheless. I may be a hellhound, yes, but I am not of the general riff raff. I am a principled man, and I shall stand by them, whether it be in this life or the next. I hope you find a new theater boy. You all are dull, barring flashes of inspiration, that is."

[Bell]

@Gamma: Probably town. I talked myself out of him interfering with town talking to town, though teacher brought it up again. There is a natural underlying, not progression of reads per se, but a simmering opinion about how other players are treating him and each other. I think the shit he throws and the confidence displayed is an act with possibly town motivation, such as defending a town read and pushing against anybody who disagrees in a way that isn’t really in his interest if he is scum.

I played here 6 years ago on an old account that i’m not interested in reviving. I played Salem and was horrific at it. 3 rl games. It think I played about 10-20 games here before leaving.

[Bell]

I think he just claimed VT.

[Bell]

Not earth shattering, but there’s clear motivation to fake claim a PR in this situation.

[Bell]

I wonder how many times dramonic has played this way as scum and watched town wifom themselves out of thinking he’s scum because he’s acting abrasive.

[Bell]

May I not be added to the list.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Not earth shattering, but there’s clear motivation to fake claim a PR in this situation.

"My, it would be safer to claim nothing, in the parallel world where I was evil, so my potential partner could claim the power as theirs, yes? After all, I am a lost cause."