Mini Theme 2158: Cards of Destiny Mafia Game Over

[Flavor Leaf]

Why?

It was Tris’ post that screamed red to me, but I didn’t red read her because of it. Ampharos has an exact opposite read in such an early part of the game, which I made sure to note.

Ampharos has since been town reading by me.

I’m not sure if you’re purposefully not understanding, because I’m pretty sure this has been out there in some form if you check and look

[Daenerys and Dragons]

It was Tris’ post that screamed red to me, but I didn’t red read her because of it.

Can you explain this part?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

fwiw I’m not sure if my confusion/[whatever the opposite of good vibes is] when it comes to your posts is like, we just have fundamentally opposite approaches to mafia and this is the resulting clash of approaches, but talking through it will hopefully help me figure that out. I hope it’s clear I’m trying to approach you in good faith but maybe taking a bit more of a roundabout route than you’d like.

- Daenerys

[Hayasaka]

@Pooky
Do you think scum would be more likely to approach me the way D&D or Amy are where they just shove me at the top of there read list?
Or do you think they would be contrarian like Gamma as he is been the only player to push me all game to make me ask "why would scum do that"?

I know how people would treat my main but I have 0 idea but how my current mask would change how people approach me. Relative to my power scum basically need to be 2nd worst or above. If I personally was scum I'd gamble on being 2nd worse since that's easier then town telling my way to the top but I know I don't think like a normal person.

[Flavor Leaf]

light v read on tris for not realizing a joke rvs vote was a joke rvs vote

Interesting, I kinda got off vibes from tris from their acknowledgement of me. Albeit true, it feels like they were setting up a

Gamefic

, a fact and comment that is used to support a gamestate world where certain things get pushed into a narrative fact.

While I do have a strong presence in games, I found it odd for Tris to bring that up during my first string of posting, especially because I've been offsite for months. I don't know, it felt subtly manipulative in a harmless way, which is what scum actually do rather than what people think scum do, if that makes sense.

I wasn't going to say anything about it because it's so early in the game, but seeing an exact opposite read, even if it was for a different reason was weird and I want it on record that I found it weird.

It’s gotten exaggerated for sure, but I definitely didn’t like the tris posting to my early posts, then i brought up by talking about Ampharos.

I think people are focusing too much on this tris thing. I literally wasn’t even gonna bring it up based solely on tris’ posts, and I don’t even have tris as a scum read right now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't believe in "thinking"

I believe in the power of spirituality and divine intervention to guide our righteous blades to strike at the heart of the enemy.

I would use the ancient methods of divination to determine who to strike down with your righteous sword.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

going after Flavor Leaf or Gamma should both be good

they smell of darkness and deceit

[Daenerys and Dragons]

FL I don’t understand how you can say someone’s posts scream scum but not scumread them. Can you explain what your read on tris is and why?

- Daenerys

[Flavor Leaf]

I have plenty of darkness, this is true, but it’s not in an informed minority type of way.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so you are a serial killer?

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I don’t understand how you can say someone’s posts scream scum but not scumread them. Can you explain what your read on tris is and why?

- Daenerys

Why?

Just because someone comes across as scummy doesn’t make them scum, just like someone coming across as town, doesn’t make them town.

If anything, Mafia usually acts townier than town does, and on something that early in the game that you’re choosing to create into a much bigger deal than is seems forced. If you happen to be town, then it is not forced, but even though with you doing something scummy, doesn’t mean I think you are scum.


Especially early game.

[Flavor Leaf]

so you are a serial killer?

That’s still informed minority, just not group scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i sense much duplicity in you

[Flavor Leaf]

And I guarantee you, if I were Red here, you wouldn’t

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Yeah I’m still not jiving (jibing? gibing?) with anything you say. How exactly do you read people then?

- Daenerys

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he doesn't he's just making shit up

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe he's the jester

would fit his playstyle rn to a T

[Flavor Leaf]

When it makes sense that they’re more likely town or mafia.

I have plenty of reads and analysis, I’ve even been posting that’s just because I’m not going this guy scum this guy town on everything doesn’t mean I don’t have reads.

I look at the gamestate, why is this person being pushed as scummy, are they actually scum, or did scum take advantage of momentum somewhere, where did scum set up a role block.

I am a late game powerhouse, and will have hard analysis, and full solves, and my style early sets that up well because it stops me from getting tunneled early. Acting like you have strong reads allows scum to abuse said reads, so I throw in reads when I have them which helps more with NKA and to an extent, VCA. I put together the different actions that a player will do throughout the game, and some of them, hell most of them, can be scum leaning, but say they have one thing that makes them almost undeniably town, that almost makes all their scummy actions look townier which in retrospect you can look back and see what gamestate alterations happened at the time to catch scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s a reason the players who know me have brought up little things to my defense, I imagine they see some of the same things I am with the people questioning my playstyle. It’s extremely forced.

I’m actively playing the game, I have been stating analysis, and hell, I even stated town reads.

I just haven’t pushed scum reads majorly because I’m not confident with full sending.

When I push something, it will gain momentum. It just will, might be momentum against the push, but there will be action around it, and I’m not comfortable pushing something quite yet.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea definitely the jester

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Okay I attempted to read that but comprehension is pretty low

I’m not, like, questioning lack of reads or actions on your part like you seem to be insinuating. I’m questioning the development of a read on a specific person - do you have a read on tris?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I feel like I’m just going in circles

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay I attempted to read that but comprehension is pretty low

I’m not, like, questioning lack of reads or actions on your part like you seem to be insinuating. I’m questioning the development of a read on a specific person - do you have a read on tris?

- Daenerys

Yeah, I do, it’s just not a town, Mafia, or neutral read.

[Flavor Leaf]

They made that initial post I didn’t like.

Multiple people went against it, interesting note.

2nd highest amount of posts in the game

And I didn’t hate the way they talked when we were talking back when.

That’s my read on tris.

[Hayasaka]

@Haya

What are your early thoughts on FL and NM?

Suspicious and "oh it's NM" right now.

I am trying to figure FL out but to some degree, the Pooky read isn't the worst I just don't understand what FL is doing and it bothers me.
There are limited moments when I feel like he is trying to solve compared to him just talking to player because he can. He basically feels a lot more reactive then proactive with his solving this game and it's a yikes to me.

I scum read "who are the neighbors" in particular. Feels like one of those manufactured posts to get the super-easy "but that would have been brought up in the scum PT" read. It was a page 1 claim brought up on many pages afterward.

The tiny hydra sheeping me feels off because they are a hydra and I rarely see hydra consolidate with other players this early over each other. Even late game hydra tend to do that which is why they aren't very fun to play with.

is this about D&D? this is an interesting point i don't think i've considered re: hydrae before.

Authors note: This is not a tested or proven tell, I don't track hydra specific tells because friendships impact their play patterns too much.

It's more something I noticed than anything else, I don't think it's a bad play. As a solo slot I wouldn't even have mentioned it, it's just interesting that Cakez went to sheep a top town read instead of checking up with Lilith. But voting Gamma then DMing Lilith "hey I did this" isn't impossible or scummy. It's just something I wanted to chew on for a bit and I sort of realized isn't scummy. Maybe it really was, at the very least that tell is something I am going to track moving forward to see if it means something.

@ Hayasaka/Tris

who should we recruit for the next mason in our team?

I wanted to add D&D to create that dramatic tension but I think something about them scum reading one of you and null reading the other makes them not want to be our masons??? Weird stuff really.