Open 786 | Dream Mafia | Cult Win!

[Hiraki]

but I also see how from town!you's perspective Ari is kind of mechanically confirmed to be CL, or somehow the cult failed last night and there are only 2 cult (which would mean cult tried to cult you N2 because TW jailed you)

where are you getting the last part? my scenario just clears me - i don't get how you fundamentally can disagree with that

i started the ythan wagon in a dead game, there is 0 reason to do that as cult. i'd rather just let time run out. then, unless theworst is lying, i cannot be culted because i was JK'd.

idk, I still feel like Ari didn't get hammered because you're cult, not because Ari is CL is where im at

you are then saying that you think i, as cult, decided to wagon ythan, a fellow cult buddy, in a dead game so i can make this argument today. rather than hopefully winning some other way with a D3 win. it doesn't make sense what you're putting down here. i am 1000000000% clear here my guy

anyway I'm back to the I want worsty to decide angle? Hiraki remember in Crossfire where we let Casey decide the dunks? I might be biased because it worked LOL and we all just supported Casey from the side with our own analyses and she picked the dunks, but there's the whole scum influence thing again given that we might be in ELO mode

Yeah it's not really the same thing because we have a bit more time and we don't have to dunk like 4 people (just 1), and our situation is much less dire because if we do hit CL today there's a significant chance of win, but I do think having an obvtown clear like Casey (worsty) lead the elim is going to be the highest EV play here

my reads are on point this game tho

[innocentvillager]

a) im saying if you're town and CL tried to cult you N2, this failed because worsty jailed you, so in that sense Ari doesn't HAVE to be CL for town!you. I don't get what you mean about the time run out thing because someone will get elim'd at random, this isn't crossfire?
b) I haven't thought too much about the incentives of the cult team here but I don't think it's bad to bus non-leader because you can just recruit someone else the next day?
c) lol, but the problem is if Ari's town you're not and I think Ari's town because Korina was and Ari has been pretty gut earnest/straightforward

[innocentvillager]

a part of me wants to believe you ugh

[innocentvillager]

the only case that i can't really provide is why is ari CL rather than anyone else. i'm gonna have to think about why i'm so sure of it past "everyone thinks that he is town for some reason even though most of what he has said in D3 just plainly doesn't make sense"

yeah i think if you could come up with something like this

like I get that you have arguments for "well why would cult me do X (bus Ythan, etc)" but I feel kind of meh when it's a) coming from you and I can see in some world where you do this b) Ari slot has seemed townie all game and worsty also TRs him

[Aristophanes]

If I am town Hiraki is guaranteed not CL and therefore to be sorted later because if Hiraki was blocked last night and Jesus was converted then it explains my not getting a message from him.

This means that Hiraki, Jesus, myself,, anf TW are not in the Elim-pool for today as a townread on me puts all of this as fact.

(I'm a page behind bear with me)

[innocentvillager]

yeah, I understand, I'm just trying to see where his head's at? but you're probably right that he's just non!CL scum here, idk why I'm getting paranoid

[innocentvillager]

as a townread on me puts all of this as fact.

pls Ari

[the worst]

where are you getting the last part? my scenario just clears me - i don't get how you fundamentally can disagree with that

i started the ythan wagon in a dead game, there is 0 reason to do that as cult. i'd rather just let time run out. then, unless theworst is lying, i cannot be culted because i was JK'd.

heavily agree with this; probably goes without saying it is why I chose you as a NA target.

[Hiraki]

a) im saying if you're town and CL tried to cult you N2, this failed because worsty jailed you, so in that sense Ari doesn't HAVE to be CL for town!you. I don't get what you mean about the time run out thing because someone will get elim'd at random, this isn't crossfire?

i didn't mean "run out" in the sense that there is a time limit but mostly that there is a deadline

again, you're correct on the ari doesn't have to be CL but ari makes the most sense as CL which is clearly something i need to be more convincing about atm

b) I haven't thought too much about the incentives of the cult team here but I don't think it's bad to bus non-leader because you can just recruit someone else the next day?

no - you're missing my point. it's not that, it's the why. do i do everything i did in D2 just so that i can have a better name in D3? not at all. there is a much easier case to make on other people than ythan

c) lol, but the problem is if Ari's town you're not and I think Ari's town because Korina was and Ari has been pretty gut earnest/straightforward

don't @ me in post

but I feel kind of meh when it's a) coming from you and I can see in some world where you do this

you think too little of me then to think just one move ahead

where are you getting the last part? my scenario just clears me - i don't get how you fundamentally can disagree with that

i started the ythan wagon in a dead game, there is 0 reason to do that as cult. i'd rather just let time run out. then, unless theworst is lying, i cannot be culted because i was JK'd.

heavily agree with this; probably goes without saying it is why I chose you as a NA target.

then give into ari and this game will be OVER

[the worst]

the other game I was in is now Over and you all have my unceasing attention

[the worst]

look I'm gonna be level
my heart is telling me to kill users
my brain is telling me to just proxy my vote to Hiraki
my spleen is like "what if you're overthinking this and it's just Titus and the others are right" and I don't know why my spleen is trying to solve a game of Mafia so I guess I'm overthinking things again

we do Not have very long until deadline and I don't feel wrong about my reads?

[Titus]

Mod: Can someone in jail be culted?

[midwaybear]

Mod: Can someone in jail be culted?

As long as the jailing action was successful, a player would not be culted if targeted by a jail keeper that night.

[the worst]

Each night, you may jail a player in the game, simultaneously protecting them from recruitment and roleblocking them.

that was in my role pm as well

[the worst]

.... so Titus isn't the cult leader

user/Ari if you have anything more to say could you please check in today?

[Aristophanes]

.... so Titus isn't the cult leader

user/Ari if you have anything more to say could you please check in today?

Aye aye!

I was mostly leaving you huys to come to conclusions without me but I will do that catchup as promised and see what I can do to help!

[the worst]

I'm kind of leaning towards users here but yeah the more comfortable you could make me the better

[innocentvillager]

why do Hiraki and Ari both feel kind of town ughhhhhhhhh

[innocentvillager]

worsty you really think Hiraki is scum with his latest posting?

[innocentvillager]

I can’t really see any sort of agenda in his posting with this deadline scramble

There’s no obvious intent to move the elim off of his CL buddy

this kind of feels like town!Hiraki from crossfire

[the worst]

i think hiraki is literally only scum if i'm completely ass up and incorrect about both him & titus.

he's dead right his d2 on ythan was completely Unnecessary if he was scum
that's why i protected him last night
if he wasn't recruited i.. just don't think he's scum, no

pedit: i'm not really about that meta life but i think i agree him calmly explaining himself and asking for us to be Smart And Not Dumb doesn't feel agendaey

[innocentvillager]

but then that implies Ari is cult leader right, or scum would’ve quickhammered...

[the worst]

that is a fact i am currently Acutely Aware of

[innocentvillager]

like if we assume town Hiraki, you jailed him so he wasn’t culted, we mechanically cannot eliminate Aristophanes and lose the game

[midwaybear]

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