Mini Theme 2158: Cards of Destiny Mafia Game Over

[Hayasaka]

If I was busdriven off of Amy my pm wouldn't state "Amy went to Tris"'
It would say "JJH went to Tris"
If Tris was bus driven and Amy redirected someone else.
It would say "Amy went to JJH"

I think it's just a guilty unless scum shot Amy, which is stupid play.

[Hayasaka]

Like can you explain to me how you think Amy died relative to my night action result and Amy's role?
I'll double check with the mod to be safe.

[Hayasaka]

I have near certainty without mod confirmation, whoever I targeted through a bus driver hit Tris.
I'll make sure getting the word "Ampharos" in my result meant I actually hit them.

[Hayasaka]

Ultimately it's Tris or Gamma today.
I am not lynching anyone else based on my result.

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

I read it like Amy made all actions from Tris go to her.

All actions FROM Tris? So Hya claimed to have tracked Amy to Tris, so does this mean Tris tried to kill someone other than Amy but Amy got killed instead?

So Gamma could have bus drove Tris then.

I still think Gamma is super scummy. So, maybe that could be what happened and he framed her?

Okay, I didn’t want to out this but Tris neighbourized us last night and based off of everything she posted in our PT, Meryl Streep has some really steep competition if Tris is actually scum here.

~M

For example, Tris claimed the Lovers’ flavour BEFORE Amy did but she sounded super genuine in our PT and she sounded fake af when she was scum in YOM 1, so I think Gamma BD Tris actually makes a lot of sense here.

Based off of everything she posted in our PT, I hard town read her.

~M

There were also specific things she posted that made me think her role is legit. She claimed conditional bg and told me and Hya that both of us would be protected if we both - in my case (Tris and us) PM Maria with an “I do” but Maria hasn’t confirmed any of that but here’s the thing, if either Hya or us die and Tris doesn’t, she’s confiscum. so that’s quite a risky gambit for scum!Tris because she can’t kill either of us in that case and Gamma has been over the top scummy.

My problem is that I don’t know who he makes sense with other than Tris but Gamma is still my #1 scumread. Gamma has done 0 sorting and angrily shot down my extremely helpful suggestions to case himself and/or others. In any case, I’m glad we were right on Amy and whatever Gamma is, I was right on them not being aligned.

~M

[Hayasaka]

It is definitely possible that Gamma self-directed a bus with Amy however but I kind of doubt it. I think if Gamma did a self-directed bus, it would have been most likely with a player who was actually investigatable by us and that 100% would obviously not have been Amy.

So I don’t think Amy was a bus drive.

I didn't consider this.
Amy wasn't a bus drive target.

I am probably just gladiating Tris once Gamma confirms his bus drive targets.

[Hayasaka]

You have an inno on Gamma right now correct?
Which means Gamma couldn't have bus driven either Tris or Amy with himself.

Which means either my result on Amy and Tris is truthful as it wasn't interfered with.
OR your result on Gamma is truthful in which case I can act based on his proclaimed bus drive targets.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I was busdriven off of Amy my pm wouldn't state "Amy went to Tris"'
It would say "JJH went to Tris"
If Tris was bus driven and Amy redirected someone else.
It would say "Amy went to JJH"

I think it's just a guilty unless scum shot Amy, which is stupid play.

This is interesting because I never say things like this as a result.

I usually go

“You targeted “player X” and saw “player Y”

[Flavor Leaf]

You have an inno on Gamma right now correct?
Which means Gamma couldn't have bus driven either Tris or Amy with himself.

Which means either my result on Amy and Tris is truthful as it wasn't interfered with.
OR your result on Gamma is truthful in which case I can act based on his proclaimed bus drive targets.

I mean, ScumGamma would just lie, so I don’t get this train of thought.

[Hayasaka]

Keep in mind the 2nd outcome doesn't always end in us eliminating Tris.
We need Gamma.

VMP the role is "redirect all of your targets actions to yourself" what this means is whoever Amy targeted submitted a killing action.
My read on Amy not being night killed literally ever because flavor leaf is just town and that 1v1 is way too pro scum. Far outweighs however I feel about Tris.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I was busdriven off of Amy my pm wouldn't state "Amy went to Tris"'
It would say "JJH went to Tris"
If Tris was bus driven and Amy redirected someone else.
It would say "Amy went to JJH"

I think it's just a guilty unless scum shot Amy, which is stupid play.

This is interesting because I never say things like this as a result.

I usually go

“You targeted “player X” and saw “player Y”

Bus driver might be different, I guess, but if you targeted Amy, and say Amy/Jjh were bus driven, it still should push back the result “You targeted Amy and saw Tris.” Because you didn’t target Jjh.

[Hayasaka]

You have an inno on Gamma right now correct?
Which means Gamma couldn't have bus driven either Tris or Amy with himself.

Which means either my result on Amy and Tris is truthful as it wasn't interfered with.
OR your result on Gamma is truthful in which case I can act based on his proclaimed bus drive targets.

I mean, ScumGamma would just lie, so I don’t get this train of thought.

If it's scum Gamma then he has to bus drive himself with someone without a hood to turn up innocent.
In which case he couldn't have targeted either Amy or Tris.

Gamma being inno'd here sort of breaks this open.

[Flavor Leaf]

I could see scum killing Ampharos to make me look worse, which does incriminate both Gamma and Tris. Someone pushing a town read on me might have done it specifically so the rest of the game would push at me.

[Hayasaka]

Tris and Amy, my 2 targets both have hoods.
Which means neither are viable targets for a scum wanting to use a bus driver as a godfather since swapping yourself with a miller is kinda throwing.

[Hayasaka]

I could see scum killing Ampharos to make me look worse, which does incriminate both Gamma and Tris. Someone pushing a town read on me might have done it specifically so the rest of the game would push at me.

I mean if any scum killed Amy.
It's exactly Gamma.

In which case it's back to where I started of "This result means we kill Gamma or Tris."

[Flavor Leaf]

You have an inno on Gamma right now correct?
Which means Gamma couldn't have bus driven either Tris or Amy with himself.

Which means either my result on Amy and Tris is truthful as it wasn't interfered with.
OR your result on Gamma is truthful in which case I can act based on his proclaimed bus drive targets.

I mean, ScumGamma would just lie, so I don’t get this train of thought.

If it's scum Gamma then he has to bus drive himself with someone without a hood to turn up innocent.
In which case he couldn't have targeted either Amy or Tris.

Gamma being inno'd here sort of breaks this open.

Yes, he has to physically do that, but he doesn’t have to tell scum.

And traitor ruins all of that logic.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would like to point out that ScumKD, ScumHayasaka, and ScumVMP all have reason to kill Ampharos last night

[Venus Mars and Pluto]

A busdriver couldn't stop my track it wouldn't work the way you guys think it would.

If Tris was bus driven then my track would tell me the name of the scum anyway.

So you’re saying it’s impossible that Tris was bus driven then?

Well, if Tris is scum, Gamma makes the most sense as her buddy. I guess Amy deserves a moment of brilliance scummy in that case, because she totally changed the game.

Tris!scum would definitely make sense and confirm FL’s role being real.

So DnD really did townTMI Amy and Amy flip + our role + FL’s mean Town is stacked. Another mark against Gamma being town BD, I think.

~M

[Flavor Leaf]

While I townread all those slots individually yesterday, The Not Mafia stuff was distracting, so I’m doing a complete reset.

That being said, I think Nancy is town.

[Hayasaka]

I mean Amy was just town by play pretty much the entire time.
I only targeted her to defend her, a track in this game state was never definitive lol.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Haya / do you have any scum games?

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean Amy was just town by play pretty much the entire time.
I only targeted her to defend her, a track in this game state was never definitive lol.

Then why did you track her?

[Flavor Leaf]

It seems too convenient that you town read Amy and tracked her

[jjh927]

I think the pretty clear interpretation is scum!Tris here

[Hayasaka]

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Thank you.