Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[The Bulge]

These hydras are driving me crazy and we're only on 13 pages

I can't interpret 2 heads on one slot like at all so I have no confidence in any reads I can come up with on the hydras
I'm gonna focus on iso's and reading non hydras and I'll let other townies sort the hydras

I must admit, this game is not doing a good job of making hydras look easy to play with.

Re: the hydra comment, it wasn't dislike per se, just that there was a decent amount of confusion with regards to who said what (and with IV, who was even part of the hydra/playing in the game), and it was hard for me to follow (and probably even harder for +J to follow).

who wants to tell me the main difference between these two sets of posts

[zMuffinMan]

oh right, you called noddy scum after 154 specifically

and then later tried to justify it with "something is missing" and not being paranoid about you rofl

i initially thought it had something to do with my name being in that list, but you later said it wasn't

[The Bulge]

hint: it's not in 600 you have to click the quotes

[morph the cat]

Seriously, Nacho launching the game super late derailed my entire awesome plan.

1: Propose to muffin that we all massclaim
2: Muffin goes first
3: We decide it's a bad idea after muffin claims
4: We policy muffin for anti-town claiming
5: ???
6: Town wins (Unless we're mafia then mafia wins)

[Something_Smart]

let's put it this way, i don't believe any answer that was given to that question was going to really tell them anything about something_smart and i don't think they actually thought it would so it just looks like they felt compelled to question something without even thinking about why it matters

I... don't follow this in the slightest. I would assume that they asked that question because my answer was vague and they wanted to know what I meant. Without knowing what the answer is, how can they know if it will tell them anything about me?

[Secret Tunnel]

@bulge what do you think it is if it’s not a back off

[The Bulge]

let's put it this way, i don't believe any answer that was given to that question was going to really tell them anything about something_smart and i don't think they actually thought it would so it just looks like they felt compelled to question something without even thinking about why it matters

I... don't follow this in the slightest. I would assume that they asked that question because my answer was vague and they wanted to know what I meant. Without knowing what the answer is, how can they know if it will tell them anything about me?

your problem is you're assuming morph!town in a scenario where muffin is clearly angling morph!scum

[Bell]

he’s good at being scum

He is good at playing both alignments. That's not really the question you need to ask yourself, assume he is.

So he’s good as either alignment and he’s scum reading you because....?

[Remilia Scarlet]

VOTE: Bell

I don't like the flip on Midwaybear for not playing ball
I don't like the engagement on muffin wrt morph/muffin comvo. I feel like if muffin weren't attacking morph that vote wouldn't be there

-b

[Bell]

The forced angle is forced.

[The Bulge]

@bulge what do you think it is if it’s not a back off

i'm not questioning what it is, just how genuine it is.

[Bell]

VOTE: Bell

I don't like the flip on Midwaybear for not playing ball
I don't like the engagement on muffin wrt morph/muffin comvo. I feel like if muffin weren't attacking morph that vote wouldn't be there

-b

Okay. You don’t like it.
Walk me through why you don’t like it.

[Remilia Scarlet]

If Bell is scum that probably makes morph/muffin town-town

i think

-b

[zMuffinMan]

I... don't follow this in the slightest. I would assume that they asked that question because my answer was vague and they wanted to know what I meant. Without knowing what the answer is, how can they know if it will tell them anything about me?

because taking a step back, anyone could have figured out what you meant without needing to question you

there was nothing vague about it

(and even if they didn't know what you meant, any answer you gave wasn't going to tell them anything about your alignment)

but let's run with this and assume they thought it would: do you think they learned anything about you from your answer? or do you think they expected a different answer that would tell them something about you?

[Bell]

If i’m Scum or town morph is still town because I would be town reading him/her either way.

[Something_Smart]

your problem is you're assuming morph!town in a scenario where muffin is clearly angling morph!scum

It doesn't even assume morph-town, it just assumes that there is a town motivation that morph is playing to-- either actually being town, or just trying to build a narrative that looks town. Muffin is arguing that their scum method for appearing town is "ask random questions without thinking about whether those questions actually relate to anything" but my argument is that even if they are scum, they were probably playing to a deeper reason than that, and thus his argument isn't compelling.

[The Bulge]

your problem is you're assuming morph!town in a scenario where muffin is clearly angling morph!scum

It doesn't even assume morph-town, it just assumes that there is a town motivation that morph is playing to-- either actually being town, or just trying to build a narrative that looks town. Muffin is arguing that their scum method for appearing town is "ask random questions without thinking about whether those questions actually relate to anything" but my argument is that even if they are scum, they were probably playing to a deeper reason than that, and thus his argument isn't compelling.

gotcha

[Remilia Scarlet]

VOTE: Bell

I don't like the flip on Midwaybear for not playing ball
I don't like the engagement on muffin wrt morph/muffin comvo. I feel like if muffin weren't attacking morph that vote wouldn't be there

-b

Okay. You don’t like it.
Walk me through why you don’t like it.

Why does muffin need to be scum to come in attack morph?
And your progression on midway flipped from someone in town bucket to a scum read in a way that doesn't seem genuine to me. why is midway refusing to answer your Q even remotely alignment indicative (and moreover, to the point that you needed to whiplash the hell out of that read)

p-edit: that doesn't make any sense.

[morph the cat]

Jesus. I go off to work on comprehensible reads list and look at this shit.

[Remilia Scarlet]

If i’m Scum or town morph is still town because I would be town reading him/her either way.

Like this discounts so many obvious other possibilities that i don't even know what you're trying to say

-b

[Remilia Scarlet]

Jesus. I go off to work on comprehensible reads list and look at this shit.

what shit

-b

[zMuffinMan]

see, i read posts like 618 and the first word that comes to my mind: forced!

also, i apparently thought fferycabd's line of questioning re:plusjoyed also felt forced

i think i've used the word forced a lot more than i'd care to admit

[Bell]

@pedit: if at me.
If I know he’s town I would be town reading him to get out of their way and nk them.
If I think he’s town I would town reading them because they’re probably town.

1. He doesn’t I think? I just think the forced angle is forced.
2. Reasons~

[Something_Smart]

but let's run with this and assume they thought it would: do you think they learned anything about you from your answer? or do you think they expected a different answer that would tell them something about you?

I would imagine that it gave them a better idea of how I view the game. Because I can understand them being confused about why I thought I saw something but didn't say it, if that's not in line with how they would play.

[zMuffinMan]

i didn't like 161 or 192 ftr

forced