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[shellyc]

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

[shellyc]

im a fan of bussing tbh and you definitely know that. you’ve been in a scum PT with me and I bussed you a lot in doggos

[Noraa]

I literally ended up dying later than u. shows how bad ur busses r. maybe u have failed bussing so much that u've decided to change it up. who knows?

[shellyc]

do you know what bussing is

if bussing was to get your partner elimed I’d never do it
its a matter of risk reward analysis and distancing

[Noraa]

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

this logic is terrible. Norwees claim does prove things. 1) it gives us setup info that we would never get if norwee died day 1 or night 1, 2) it would've gotten some sort of scummy reaction out of Taylor if she was scum

[Tayl0r Swift]

do you believe norweg's claim? my initial thought was "sounds like bs". i need to read it properly though

Yeah, I believe it. I don't think Norwee comes up with that in less than 2 min. It also makes Tayl0r look better, and not worse, which isn't exactly ideal for scum!Norwee who Tayl0r was scumreading iirc

hmm....remind me what town role has knowledge of a mafia doctor, and what the point of that would be? seems a bit...random? dunno, jury's out for me until i read it i think

i can think of at least one role where it would make sense to have a mafia doc, and at least two where it would make sense for a townie to be informed of that.

[Tayl0r Swift]

shelly and noraa you both need to post less. you dont need to put every thought in the thread. it makes it harder for town when we have to sift through 100 pages instead of 60, or 60 instead of 40.

[Tayl0r Swift]

feel free to have as many ideas as you want, but just take a second to compile your thoughts before posting in thread. theres too much content and its distracting

[davesaz]

+1

[davesaz]

Hectic man, did you read the duppin ISO? it's one of the scummiest ISO's I've ever seen, and I refuse to believe you can read it in good faith and not think he's scum.

When you get a chance it would help me to read both you and duppin if you'd quote a few posts and say what you're seeing in them that's scummy.
Going from memory I saw a couple things in duppin's iso that looked cautious or evasive but it seemed to get better later. I posted about it.

[shellyc]

i can think of at least one role where it would make sense to have a mafia doc, and at least two where it would make sense for a townie to be informed of that.

same there’s at least 2-3 TPRs that make sense with a scum doctor (not giving free setup spec info to scum tho)
ok since im overexcited, I’m going to ban myself from posting here for the next 12 hours

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i’m not TR’ing this.
VOTE: Battle Mage

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hectic/me scum isn’t a brave take Shelly. It’s just scum.

[Battle Mage]

ah i hope saudade is ok. his ISO was a rollercoaster of emotions.

Hm, I don't like this. Feels like you're suggesting we should absolve his scuminess because of OOG reasons.

erm, no. When I replace into slots that have a case against them, I will always engage with that case as best I can. I havent seen anyone actually make a case again him yet, and I didn't find his ISO scummy. It was mostly funny, and then a bit worrying towards the end, but not AI.

[Battle Mage]

ive just skimmed...bloody hell this game is gonna be hard work

[Battle Mage]

it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?

Fixed.

i have a solution

VOTE: plusjoyed

I dont like that you hop on the largest wagon with zero reason.

I was there for about 10 minutes when I just joined and hadn't read anything? It was essentially my little mini RVS.

my initial scumreads from a glance, are:

Norweg
Hectic
Shelly

this is the shittiest SR list I've seen so far with two of the literal towniest damn players in it.

I mean, what do you want me to say here? I call it as I see it. My take is likely to be different to yours as I'm coming from an independent outside perspective, and haven't experienced the game in real time, and also havent read every single post. I'm not gonna get into arguments with you about every little thing - if you wanna do your bit that's fine.

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
4. PlusJOYED
6. davesaz
7. Tayl0r Swift
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
Noraa
Battle Mage

I dont want a free town pass. wtf.

Well you got one. Is there anything you won't whinge and complain about?

did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT

I hate this. VOTE: BM

excellent. remind me after the game to give you a lesson on how "townblocking" works. It's basically when presumed town players work together and actually try and win.

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
6. davesaz
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Noraa
Battle Mage

1) u just voted plus
2) Taylor claimed a pr so ur just trying to be safe

I was fine with Saudade. Bm is not doing Saudade's slot any justice if Saudade was town but now I'm convinced BM is scum.

1. dude i hadnt read anything then
2. yeah, i dont wanna flip a claimed town pr on Day 1, whose claim i believe, funny enough.

In the nicest possible way, your assessment above is just awful tunnel-vision, with little intelligent thought attached to it. If you'd stopped and thought for a second, you could have figured out the answers to most of your questions yourself.

I can only imagine this is all for personal reasons, rather than game reasons, which is pretty sad.

[Battle Mage]

Uno compromise wagon on Saudade slot?
Hectic?
Norwee?
Redados?
Taylor?
Shelly?
@everyone?

we need to get a full on wagon together asap.
BM is looking like the best choice rn imo

are you just gonna spam me to death?

[Battle Mage]

I’m getting hardcore TvS vibes from joyed v Norway though
just the overall conflict isn’t really scum theatre and I think I don’t see the energy/reaction/emotion (idk how to put this) of a TvT fight really

Probably just repeating at this point, but why couldn't it be TvT? You say energy/reaction/emotion but not every player is going to spend 10 pages arguing when it's clear that it will just spam and maybe not even change anyone's opinion much.

ok lets get a wagon going then VOTE: bugspray

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what the fuck

pedit: saude is fine but meh it doesn’t give us info at all but I want the replacements claim and reads first
who is BM

hey yo i already claimed and gave my reads.

[Battle Mage]

He comes in votes the biggest wagon
buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
then he jumps to the duppin wagon for zero reason. This also happens to be another major wagon rn.
He then starts TRing plus for ??? reasons
Then his SR is literally Hectic, Norwee, and Shelly
like wtf
two of the downiest players here and shelly, whose playstyle gets her killed day 1 just about everywhere

lol man you have no objectivity at all. I don't scumread you for it. I just

Do you actually believe I'm scum here? Or is this just a personal thing?

[Battle Mage]

Bm is the Saudade replacement, shelly

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

there's like 2 days until deadline? wagonning me is completely pointless

[Tayl0r Swift]

Bm is the Saudade replacement, shelly

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

there's like 2 days until deadline? wagonning me is completely pointless

hmmm i kinda felt good about BM until this post

[Battle Mage]

my initial scumreads from a glance, are:

Norweg
Hectic
Shelly

lmao

why do you SR hectic though

town-land
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Noraa
Battle Mage

why is joyed town

also BM you have meta info on me and you know town!me is almost always limmed d1 or d2 and I hate that
do you think scum!me does so much solving and high efforts this so much
what is the need to push Jackson and Grendel

Strictly speaking, I'm not sure we have any completed games together, and so I can't comment on any meta I could have on you. Suffice to say, I always use my full experience of a player to understand their alignment. The AtE here is no bueno.

And yeah, I think scum you is likely to put in lots of 'effort' because you probably love being scum in this game where town appears to be rudderless and impotent

[Battle Mage]

Bm is the Saudade replacement, shelly

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

there's like 2 days until deadline? wagonning me is completely pointless

hmmm i kinda felt good about BM until this post

really? you'll see i guess

[NorwegianboyEE]

why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor

I can understand the thought process and how it might be seen that way. But i would undoubtedly be a lot more calculating as scum and come up with something better if my actual goal was to push the elimination through.

[Battle Mage]

when I conftown can I actually get some order here, and some traction behind a duppin elim?