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[the worst]

@lilith I know you're busy but you don't have to ~effort for now. If you could just give brief thoughts that would be helpful, if not no worries obviously RL is more important

what the hell is this post?
how close to voting Una are you, IV?

[innocentvillager]

Um I'm not gonna vote right now...? What's your point

[the worst]

why not? why could una be town to you? - what solves are you considering?
lilith just said she'll effort this on the weekend, are you waiting on her before you throw down your own solves?

[innocentvillager]

I've said the solves I'm considering, una/billy, worsty/lilith, worsty/billy, obviously I think una is probably scum out of you two

we have like 9 more RL days to do this, it'd be nice to get some of her brief thoughts before the weekend to factor in. One of billy and lilith is scum and even if we get today right there's still f3 to figure out. so there's literally like 0 reason to rush this??

[the worst]

why are you clearing lilith/una and me/una?

[innocentvillager]

this is gonna sound kind of bad but... i don't remember

[innocentvillager]

i know part of the reason was because i think town!you is likely to be right on lilith but i think there was another reason i can't remember

[the worst]

report back when you find it

[the worst]

honestly i feel a bit meh for it but my strongest reasoning on town!lilith is that i think her honour code prevents d4 from getting quite as personal as it got if she's scum `-`

that's an honour code i explicitly *don't* have and i'd prefer if she didn't address this point because i feel like her confirming/denying kinda brushes against trust telly territory. but i suppose we could talk about it as ~emotional scumrange~ and i for all the reasons i wrote out scum!lilith based on play, i think the way she got quite vocally and quite shocked-ly upset for being shitpushed just doesn't feel like a response that i'd expect to occur to her manipulatively

if i'm wrong on this i'll quietly accept it and shit i just don't feel like i'm wrong on this

[Billy Pilgrim]

Duck, im way over my head this game and have been so for some time. Your frustration reads as genuine, which is why I flipped you and Una. I felt like I was gonna be a liability D1 here which is why I told people to take me out then. Now we're literally in an endgame situation and I'm stuck making a decision between a fakeclaim that is pretty plausible and the dayplay reads that im never confident with. But I just got sank hardtownreading someone after a perfect fakeclaim in response to a gambit in my last mini normal, but I got lucky that other town were able to save us.

I dont know why I play this game.

Someone needs to tell me scum!Una's role. The reason I hardtownread him was because he was a confirmed pr. And clearly he wasn't a roleblocker because nep got her result. So we got a claimed pr with no detail. Do we think this was a 2 rolecop setup and he rolecopped her n1 to clarify? Like what plausibly makes sense there for a scum role?

[the worst]

why the fuck would any of us know scum!una's role unless we were una's partner

i don't
give
a fuck
what his role is
he's scum for dayplay and i'm gonna kill it

his roleclaim might actually be at least semi genuine (that would basically give him free sincerity points for coming @ nep on d2 which is NOT something that should be considered alignment indicative over role indicative)

[the worst]

maybe he's a mafia night restricted JOAT n5 cop n6 lightning rod n7 vig

[Billy Pilgrim]

Do I think that his hammer on MWNN was great? No, I had been coming around on townreading MWNN at the end of day as well. But it took 4 people to kill MWNN, and 2 of those people were lillith and ducky. So like why is IV so invested in using the fact that Una homered as a cudgel?

[Billy Pilgrim]

maybe he's a mafia night restricted JOAT n5 cop n6 lightning rod n7 vig

Like do you think this is scum!me and im fucking with you, or do you think I've got a data point that I think is meaningful and im confused why no one else is taking it seriously?

[the worst]

Do I think that his hammer on MWNN was great? No, I had been coming around on townreading MWNN at the end of day as well. But it took 4 people to kill MWNN, and 2 of those people were lillith and ducky. So like why is IV so invested in using the fact that Una homered as a cudgel?

una's mindset when he made that hammer post is absolutely crucial for correctly divining his alignment.

what were his reads?

[the worst]

maybe he's a mafia night restricted JOAT n5 cop n6 lightning rod n7 vig

Like do you think this is scum!me and im fucking with you, or do you think I've got a data point that I think is meaningful and im confused why no one else is taking it seriously?

what's the data point? sorry
i spoke a bit about SS' towncase on Una and like, i think only a very small part of it is actually town indicative, a lot of it is just "true role or good fakeclaim" indicative

[Billy Pilgrim]

maybe he's a mafia night restricted JOAT n5 cop n6 lightning rod n7 vig

Like do you think this is scum!me and im fucking with you, or do you think I've got a data point that I think is meaningful and im confused why no one else is taking it seriously?

what's the data point? sorry
i spoke a bit about SS' towncase on Una and like, i think only a very small part of it is actually town indicative, a lot of it is just "true role or good fakeclaim" indicative

He's clearly got some sort of pr. And whatever pr he had targeted nep on N1. And it wasn't a roleblock. I think that means a much greater chance of town than scum. IF its a 2 rolecop setup, which is a big if, why cop nep? You know she's a pr, so I dont see the incentive in copping her. And if it wasn't a rolecop/block then what scum pr targets a detailless pr claim?

I'll go back and look at his EoD reads tomorrow.

[the worst]

the only actual argument we have FOR the existence of a roleblocker is that una is claiming to have been blocked on n4

straight up i don't think this setup needs a roleblocker if una is a rolestopper + they have an investigative + whatever the fuck else they have

[lilith2013]

what's preventing rolestopper from being a scum role?

[lilith2013]

straight up i don't think this setup needs a roleblocker if una is a rolestopper + they have an investigative + whatever the fuck else they have

[lilith2013]

idk if you're being deliberately obtuse about this but, like, you know that rolestopper also makes someone ascetic, right??? as in, preventing them from being cleared and/or rolecopped? duck has already mentioned that the pace of clears is really weird given the flips we've had (ungated tracker, ungated rolecop, n1+n4 cop, informed townie). you know what does make sense? a rolestopper that can prevent the number of clears from being gamebreaking in how fast they are..........

[the worst]

i'm not sure how to really argue the nep thing except that i don't think it's AI

say you rand scum doctor in a setup where your faction suggests town has a fair bit of power: what do you do with your power?
i don't think he has any option but to target her if he's establishing himself as lategame scum. which he is.
there's also some outside chance WITHOUT the drama which happened on n1, of an investigative targeting her and getting no result hence splashing their check but idrk if this is as important as the fact he needed to pretend to be a tpr.

[the worst]

at a setup level 1-2 of mwnn & una **should** be autoscum after ss' flip
i think una is aware that mwnn being cleared is a really ugly situation for him mechanically

so what does he do .. . ..... . . . . . . .

[lilith2013]

also like, it makes sense for scum!rolestopper to target an undefined PR to prevent the town investigatives from clearing the PR claim.

[the worst]

oh i know!!!!
he lolhammers mwnn while vocally pushing a scumteam of tw/iv : )