Open 796: Haunted Village Game Over

[Battle Mage]

Infinity I'm playing with you in every game from now on

what do you think the likelihood is that Infinity-scum joined this game and decided to buddy you hard? I feel the odds of that are pretty good

[Noraa]

STOP QUOTING THE WHOLE QUOTE >:(

[Battle Mage]

we aren't friends cuz I didn't join Taylor wagon?

nah we're friends, but i still want you to vote with me. big trust, let's do it!

[Battle Mage]

yeah egotisi lockscum

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y-e-a-h e-g-o-t-i-s-i l-o-c-k-s-c-u-m

[Exorcists]

let's do Taylor then.

I'm game. VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

I'm worried egotisi is scum and there isn't enough support to get them elimmed, especially if I die at some point.

—Alice

[Battle Mage]

the interaction between taylor and xofelf is problematic. I definitely think either Infinity or Xofelf, but probably not both, must be Taylor-buddies if she's red. A small extract below, although it actually spans a good chunk of the game.

Spoiler:

oh RC. uh i forgot that was a thing.

VOTE: RC

ill come for you later xof.

Why are you so sure it won't?

just ignore her

Fair sentiment, may just. But I'm genuinely curious why she thinks that. The explanation you and Murdercat gave seemed solid enough to me as to why it was a bad idea.

Could just be dumb instead of scum. I don't underestimate people's abilities to just be bad.

I do think I need more time to have any sort of reads on anybody, but I do think I at least like where BM's head is at. Reminds me of a handful of other players that I've had good feelings about in the few games I've played this year.

Also hi Gamma <3

these two posts are unbelievably rude considering we dont know each other at all. and that might be coloring my xofelf read. on the other hand, it seems like a really cheap reason to scumread someone and dismiss them without actually having to do any work to sort them, so this also genuinely pings me as scum.

then theres the readlist from xofelf. from xofelfs self meta, they are a tone/gutreader like me. and they often have strange reads and get scumread like me. consequently, id expect us to be very much on the same page. and i generally trust myself to be pretty accurate with confident townreads, even if my scumhunting leaves something to be desired. so the fact that xofelf hasnt sorted a lot of the people i have, and has sorted as town some of the people im still waiting to sort really pings me hard.

VOTE: xofelf

i still dont like how fast the RC wagon fell apart for no reason other than "ooh a shiny"

that said, i was ready to move on to a more serious wagon myself, but RC has not done anything to deserve that votes move away. in fact, im a bit concerned that RC seems to have dodged the thread for the most part since the wagon formed.

doesn't strike me as rude? but more importantly, it didn't appear to be setting up to scumread you - rather xofelf made an excuse for you to defend you (i.e. anti-town rather than scum). Why do you think xofelf-scum would defend Taylor-town so baselessly, but in such a way which doesn't pocket either?

just ignoring someone is kinda rude. saying someone is probably dumb is ruder.

well done for not answering the bit which actually matters for the game.

xofelf was not defending me.

[Noraa]

nah we're friends, but i still want you to vote with me. big trust, let's do it!

mmmm I dont wanna

[Noraa]

especially if I die at some point.

ur pretty universally TRed. U won't get limmed.

[Battle Mage]

let's do Taylor then.

I'm game. VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

I'm worried egotisi is scum and there isn't enough support to get them elimmed, especially if I die at some point.

—Alice

if taylor flips red, I think it's either infinity or maybe xofelf tomorrow.

if taylor flips green, all bets are off - happy to re-evaluate then.

[Battle Mage]

especially if I die at some point.

ur pretty universally TRed. U won't get limmed.

thats exactly why they might get elimmed. although also a good bet for a protect.

[Battle Mage]

nah we're friends, but i still want you to vote with me. big trust, let's do it!

mmmm I dont wanna

oh go on, i'll let you pick the elim tomorrow!

[MURDERCAT]

Infinity I'm playing with you in every game from now on

what do you think the likelihood is that Infinity-scum joined this game and decided to buddy you hard? I feel the odds of that are pretty good

0% infinity scum, 100% chance of buddying.

(This is a joke, but I don't think infinity is scum)

[Battle Mage]

Infinity I'm playing with you in every game from now on

what do you think the likelihood is that Infinity-scum joined this game and decided to buddy you hard? I feel the odds of that are pretty good

0% infinity scum, 100% chance of buddying.

(This is a joke, but I don't think infinity is scum)

why do you think he's town? meta? hard to believe he's like this in all games...

[Infinity 324]

Exorcists: town

Spoiler: quotes and comments

Murdercat, have you ever faked a town-slip as scum before?

-Lance

Almost certainly

If you want my self meta about my scum game I am happy to provide it, but I am usually hesitant to because it is really wifomy and people are then unable to form their own unbiased conclusions.

It won't hurt to hear it. Shoot.

-Lance

As town I hard commit to getting people elimed when I become confident they are scum. This usually involves detailed cases, hard pushes, and actively encouraging my town reads to vote with me. This might happen on D1, but is probably more likely to happen on D2.

I put in effort as scum, so long detailed posts are NAI. I can and have bussed, but I am usually hesitant to do so.

I think the biggest tell in my scum game is that I can't fake the level of enthusiasm I have for eliming scum that I have when town.

As town I will often do somewhat questionable things to provoke reads, which may get me miselimed. I do want to try to tone that back this game and just obv town from the start.

As you can tell I've been thinking a lot about my own meta because I just set up my wiki to include all my completed games the other day

You seem to be very self-aware of your meta. On one hand, I do like that you're willing to voluntarily offer it like this, since I'd guess it'd make you a little more uncomfortable as scum. However, this seems to be the first game where I assume you're trying to eliminate the usefulness of this meta, so I like it, but not as much.

-Lance

I find that scum often ask questions to make them seem useful, but not follow up. Here lance follows up nicely and explains what they got out of the interaction in a way that helps to move the game out of RVS. (Sorry I quoted the whole thing but it's important to my point)

If I am reading the setup rules correctly town has 8 points worth of PR's

but that doesn't tell us how many total because that could change based on how the points were divided up.

Slight scum pings from this because it's self-explanatory. As if Random Canadian wants to fake not knowing about the number of town roles, so elaborates on this point, when it's fairly obvious and shouldn't require elaboration.

-Lance

This is a great point that someone is unlikely to pick up on unless they're really looking for scum.

I read Taylor’s posts back and kind of changed my mind. If that move had the motivation I was thinking of, it’d be brilliant, but I don’t know if it does realistically. I still think Battle Mage’s stance comes from a town POV though.

I like this because it's a unlikely thing for scum to think to fake. Town (and people in general) will often have ideas that they think are clever, but really aren't when they are thought over again.

These posts look fake to me. There's a lot of 'work with me' which I read as disingenuous.

This is tinfoil material, but Noraa was alarmed at how 417 came across as when Alice refuted it, so much so that I think she wouldn't normally make the error if town, and was more focused on faking stances rather than not being mean.

I like this reasoning, especially the point about 417. Again, something that scum probably wouldn't think to fake.

I'm also suspicious of egotisi. They were actually my secret scumread a while back, but that hasn't progressed like I hoped it would. Their earlier posts had a lot of questioning and statements which sounded good (or "correct" for that point in time) but lacked an organic townie feel, and at times, I feel like they're overplaying their transparency. Subtle hints of trying to blend in are very scum indicative to me.

I had the same thought, so reads town.

[Battle Mage]

a hot take there!

[Noraa]

oh go on, i'll let you pick the elim tomorrow!

I dont think making deals like this is a smart idea tho <.<

[Battle Mage]

noraa being unwilling to jump to taylor, despite her own life possibly depending on it, reads town to me too. even if noraa was scum with taylor, I think she'd be willing to bus.

[MURDERCAT]

why do you think he's town? meta? hard to believe he's like this in all games...

Just seems like a weird entrance for scum

[Battle Mage]

oh go on, i'll let you pick the elim tomorrow!

I dont think making deals like this is a smart idea tho <.<

I think you are tempted. You've bought some towncred for being difficult to persuade to jump ship. But now you actually need to follow through otherwise you're probably getting elimmed by default.

[Battle Mage]

why do you think he's town? meta? hard to believe he's like this in all games...

Just seems like a weird entrance for scum

eh true. i think if he is scum, he did genuinely think you were town before he joined.

[Infinity 324]

I can buy the defence of "Murder didn't go with the existing wagons and went to the effort of starting something from scratch, which seems high effort for scum". I'm not sure how strong that is - seems perfectly possible Murder-scum could think he might be able to cruise on suspicion of me for a while, or just didn't want to be on a mis-elim, or was particularly keen to eliminate me while I wasn't able to defend myself. And yes I think we disagree on the fact of whether he appeared willing to be persuaded otherwise or not. In reality, we can see now he HAS been persuaded otherwise, although I think that's in some part due to me engaging with him constructively, which was something you and him both thought would be pointless.

Fair enough. I guess most of the reason he seemed willing to change his mind to me is that he posted pretty much what I would post if I was willing to change my mind.

i'm making a point that your philosophy is that town shouldn't bother debating with people, and should only try and buddy up and work with people they believe they can trust, rather than scumhunting per se. So Noraa could have taken the approach you tried with me, which is saying "nah I don't wanna respond to you, I'd rather talk to people who might townread me/might be easily persuadable".

Not asking noraa to debate me though, I'm asking her to talk reads with me.

[Infinity 324]

I'll try to elaborate more on my murder read later, but again it's mostly having a similar playstyle to me and consistently playing in the same way I play town on d1.

[Noraa]

noraa being unwilling to jump to taylor, despite her own life possibly depending on it, reads town to me too. even if noraa was scum with taylor, I think she'd be willing to bus.

if town lims me, its their loss bc imo my reads can be shockingly accurate at times. If the solve was seriously Taylor/Noraa/someone else, no I would not bus. I never bus unless absolutely forced to. I am very weak when it comes to shit like that and I despise being alone in a pt. None of what you stated is AI but trying to read into it read somewhat towny definitely.

oh go on, i'll let you pick the elim tomorrow!

I dont think making deals like this is a smart idea tho <.<

I think you are tempted. You've bought some towncred for being difficult to persuade to jump ship.

But now you actually need to follow through otherwise you're probably getting elimmed by default.

Unlike plus, I'm not that afraid of getting limmed. My wagon is big but I think I've been keeping this thread alive and pretty towny too if I do say so myself. I think I've done a decent amount of solving and if town lims me, its their loss in the end :/

[Battle Mage]

Infinity: im more interested now in your taylor read, given my theory you could be scum together.

although, on noraa, do you agree with my take that her initially refusing to jump to the taylor counterwagon is town-indicative as scum-noraa should have jumped at the chance to save herself?

[Noraa]

although, on noraa, do you agree with my take that her initially refusing to jump to the taylor counterwagon is town-indicative as scum-noraa should have jumped at the chance to save herself?

I disagree with this tho I like the attempt to read into it.