Death Curse

[shellyc]

On a quick reread, I could also see a world where Isis and Pooky are red and LLD is green here. Gambit's still dumb as hell, but Pooky takes a LOT of the sting out of the risk and there's an interesting progression I see in the posts where it goes from "Calm Down LLD" as the primary goal to "Casting Doubt on Isis-as-Scum Possibilities", maintaining rapid contact and identical writing tone throughout. Interesting that Isis keeps needling throughout, but that mostly helps sell the illusion being offered if it's a Pooky+Isis team.

what is the objective of the scumteam when if LLD flips green isis and pooky's gambit are wrecked and scum are 2 down

doesn't make sense at all

[shellyc]

casting doubt on isis scum is pretty blatant associatively bad

[MUSHSHAGANA]

In theory yeah. Not so much in context, check the progression again. It starts off as de-escalation, which is very good. And it casts doubt on a couple Isis-as-scum possibilities immediately following that, without any change in tone -- it looks like attempt to de-escalate OOG bleeding into the game itself at that point, not a blatant "not scum here!!!"

Main goal of that is getting the town leader off their back. If they keep LLD around, push for LLD town, and LLD eventually goes down to town intervention, they sit pretty off that green flip and in the meantime they avoid the searchlight of the town centering them for too long. Gambit functionally clears Isis as "too scummy to be scum", Pooky has plausible deniability and LLD's townread, everyone wins (well, except town).

Its not a likely world, just a /possible/ one. Most likely to me is Isis scum or I don't know how to read her.

[Bell]

2 hours sleep! Woo.

Lld.
Fidget
murdercat.

Mmm. After that things get fizzier. I feel like this game is a race to find townmore than a race to find scum tbh.

[Bell]

I guess isis and pooky are tied ~lavender fields.

The putting isis in a hook for scum claiming is well, extremely low hanging fruit and not especially logical either way. There’s a wifom element to it.

[Isis]

Their "am I locktown yet" sounded rather lamisty, and they basically shaded everyone other than fidget in the catchup post which is scummy, simply because keeping the poe wide is the core of scum agenda

Lies! I townread Theta Alpine! You should too!

[shellyc]

Lies! I townread Theta Alpine! You should too!

ok i missed that

but you can't manipulate my reads

[Bell]

*stares at lapsa’s 3 posts*
Looks at phone ringing.
Hello, hello?
*yes this is bell, just wanted to let you know*
* I called it

[Isis]

Finding scum is a lot more important than finding town if all your townreads are going to get shot by the ~1.5 hero vigs per democratic elimination

[Isis]

shelly could you please manipulate my reads, I'm not actually sure I should townread Bell

[Zdenek]

Made it to page 15.

Bell, I feel like I should be town reading you, after pages 7,8. Could you say something that will make be not be concerned by you?

I think Swift is probably town, and I think that Noraa-Swift scum buddies would be shocking.

You don't get to use this excuse after you won that other scumgame against very competent players.

What was your opinion of that game - it was one of the few that I looked at since signing up for this one. My own impression was that Noraa’s win really was quite lucky. Also, LLD, can you clarify what was said on the discord server? Preferrably in a way that town!Noraa would be bound to agree with.

Hopkirk, what were those numbers anyway?

My top three scum reads are Noraa, Owen and Bell.

[shellyc]

"I should be TRing Bell"
"proceeds to SR Bell"

inconsistency = bad

[shellyc]

shelly could you please manipulate my reads, I'm not actually sure I should townread Bell

sure
vote bell they are scum

that iso is terribly underwhelming, bell discredits the push by LLD without SR on LLD, and basically is soft-defending noraa
when I start SRing bell what they do is flail a whole lot and complain about me pushing them
they basically also omgus anyone that SRs them, which isn't a protown mindset

[Bell]

"I should be TRing Bell"
"proceeds to SR Bell"

inconsistency = bad

Are you for real with this and the flailing thing. I feel like you can’t be given the number of games you’ve played just from sheer blocks being knocked over after building them up.

Zdenek: I genuinely don’t know what you want me to say from that post. It just looks like you’re fence sitting.

[Bell]

I feel like this is how Mena must feel whenever he has to deal with this kind of thing.

[Bell]

Finding scum is a lot more important than finding town if all your townreads are going to get shot by the ~1.5 hero vigs per democratic elimination

Mechanically yes, but socially I don’t really think so.
There’s a lot of power struggling going on.

[UNOwen]

My top three scum reads are Noraa, Owen and Bell.

What's this all about?

[Bell]

I wish beetle juice tell worked.
*sips soda*

How you doin Owen?

[shellyc]

I don't get what you're trying to say at all Bell, im serious tho

[UNOwen]

I wish beetle juice tell worked.
*sips soda*

How you doin Owen?

I'm doing good.
Yourself?

[Bell]

I don't get what you're trying to say at all Bell, im serious tho

How can you have played as many mafia games as you have and think inconsistency is a reliable and accurate methodology that works at finding scum?

@ unowen, not great. What’s your name a reference to?

[Bell]

It should at least be, I don’t know, more nuanced than a blanket statement especially at your level of experience.

[shellyc]

How can you have played as many mafia games as you have and think inconsistency is a reliable and accurate methodology that works at finding scum?

yes, it's a reliable and accurate methodology that has found me scum before.

scum have to push an agenda of miselims, and may forget their stances on someone while trying to push their wincon.

[shellyc]

im not an alt btw so no idea why you think I have boatloads of experience playing

[shellyc]

at least the inconsistency in logic deserves an explanation from zdenek