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[redcardinal]

Because scum kills the obv towns for free. Mis elim now is better than later, plus any % chance of scum is better than 0% with no elim. If we don't elim {username, red, herta, italiano} today we are basically saying we don't want to ever elim them. As scum elims obv towns, we need to be eliming elimbait (even if we can't hit scum). If we knew that no elim gives us another day then maybe I see it, but we don't know setup so we don't know that.

I absolutely agree with this I just don't think that username is really that elim bait. like, I've heard people say that italiano is some kind of settle, but I honestly don't see much substance going after username. I mean I don't buy the wagon so perhaps I'm biased, but I really think people should be thinking about whether username is someone we want to go for.

[MURDERCAT]

To be clear, I'm not saying we have to go username, I'm saying username is infinitely better than a no elim. I think drunk titus may have read it wrong, but on a second read it's not super clear

italiano is also better than a no elim

I agree

[MURDERCAT]

Ranny should be saying a name and we should all be voting it

[MURDERCAT]

And that's not just because he's on username, if he comes in the thread and goes italiano I'm still with him

[Rannygazoo]

Sorry, I have a lot of work to do and I kind of need this game on night phase right now

The VT claim feels false. I mean, it’s the most probable town role and it’s the best claim for scum for that reason, but it’s still not incredibly likely.

[redcardinal]

italiano's two votes from elimination today ranny, vote and murder will hammer, and then I'm down to talk about username based on the flip

[Rannygazoo]

I'm also really sus of plus

unless he joins the italiano wagon then maybe he can be forgiven

It gives me the creeps how red keeps trying to manipulate town like this

[MURDERCAT]

I think it's more likely scum just keeps quiet actually

[MURDERCAT]

Honestly red people were way too quick to jump off username and I don't think a lady second wagon like that hits scum too often

[MURDERCAT]

Last*

[ItalianoVD]

I had and have no problem following Ranny once his alignment was confirmed. It’s the simple fact of knowing his posts, reads, and everything he says doesn’t have ill will behind it. I’d follow him down a wrong street than a number of players through the perfect way.

[redcardinal]

I'm also really sus of plus

unless he joins the italiano wagon then maybe he can be forgiven

It gives me the creeps how red keeps trying to manipulate town like this

ranny if you vote italiano I'll townread you too

[ItalianoVD]

italiano's two votes from elimination today ranny, vote and murder will hammer, and then I'm down to talk about username based on the flip

Save for another day huh? Smh.

[Rannygazoo]

Okay red, please briefly convince me it’s italiano without saying things like “I’ll townread you if you do it.” Point me to the smoking gun or the trend that makes italiano scum, because I’m not seeing it.

Pedit: I can’t believe you actually said it

[ItalianoVD]

I'm also really sus of plus

unless he joins the italiano wagon then maybe he can be forgiven

It gives me the creeps how red keeps trying to manipulate town like this

ranny if you vote italiano I'll townread you too

As if that’s a consolation prize.

[redcardinal]

like titus pointed out a while ago, shelly threw a lot of shade on you without ever putting her vote where her mouth was, and I never bought the explanation for that. now that you're confirmed town I took a different perspective on shelly, shedded a couple ideas about shelly/noraa I had, and then started reading italiano's posts.

And wow has nearly everything italiano has said given me bad vibes. Starting from the vote on you that put you at l2, he can claim he had a scumread before then but he wasn't around before you started gaining pressure. putting you, me, and user into his scumreads list wasn't just unoriginal, it was leaving open all potential wagons that from my perspective, are town. Like noraa mentioned, it's sheeping consensus reads, and I don't have a problem with sheeping on principle but when you look at this context the agenda is obvious.

Additionally, the stuff earlier about your language, the whole "if I flip green" thing is a load of crap and you should see that better than anyone else. It's just so bad faith. I cannot believe that italiano genuinely voted you for that, it seems way more likely he voted you because he wanted a townie dead than because that of all things was some kind of tipping point.

Italiano also never explained his scumread of me. Like, at all. He mentioned something about weirdness with my shelly/noraa alignment read but that was about it and again, that reads less as a real read and more as a "I can say I scumread cardinal before the train picked up" setup thing. I really think a town player should care about whether a scumread is going to show up before a vote clears too.

the shade on murdercat, one of my other townreads, is also kinda ridiculous, murdercat's reasoning for voting username is in fact the only one I can say I understand.

[redcardinal]

relavent posts for above wall

The ones who I’m townleaning at the moment are: Titus, Noraa, Echo, Herta

Null: PlusJOYED, ico, MURDERCAT,

Scum or Anti-town: Ranny, red, username, NPOM

if ranny flips town shelly is suspicious as hell

I find this really damning. What she's doing here is trying to chain miselims.

If I flip green

, she'll try to hurry you along to this other elim that may turn out green too. There's just, like, a complete lack of interest in actually solving the game, all throughout her posts.

If you flip green?


VOTE: Ranny

I am an Innocent Child

Rannygazoo is confirmed to be aligned with the Town!

Okay then, who’s next?

VOTE: Redcardinal

Yeah ok that plus iso was a lot worse than I remembered

UNVOTE: username

VOTE: redcardinal

To force red into the thread. I wish Ranny was leading instead of me

What are you doing? Who cares if Red shows up or not. I agree with Ranny.

Bruh.

Still willing to go back onto username, but we might as well use the time

Nah, not buying that. That was a goofy move,

Yeah, yeah blame it someone else. If he flips town it’s because you KNOW he’s town.

Yeah, yeah blame it someone else. If he flips town it’s because you KNOW he’s town.

And don’t want to be on wagon.

BS, I started the whole wagon even before ranny was outed

And yet you didn’t want to be on the wagon this late. Gotta see it through. You were so convinced. It strange how a Plus iso, which gives you nothing is enough to jump off.

[redcardinal]

Honestly red people were way too quick to jump off username and I don't think a lady second wagon like that hits scum too often

all that said, this does scare me. despite my townread, I really don't like the way that wagon dissolved under very little force. keeping this in mind for later analysis

[Rannygazoo]

Fine, I’ll vote.

@MURDERCAT u up?

[Rannygazoo]

The balls on Noraa, putting down a vote and then going on vla

[MURDERCAT]

Fine, I’ll vote.

@MURDERCAT u up?

Yeah

[Rannygazoo]

Sigh. Some chance of catching scum is better than no chance.
VOTE: Italiano

[MURDERCAT]

Will hammer before deadline, leaving it open in case of claim

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: Italiano

Good luck tonight team

[ItalianoVD]

Don’t let Redcardinal wiggle out of this tomorrow.