Open 797: Bus Service [Game Over]

[Almost50]

I wish other people could post as fast as I can about my totally real life and just vote onto the scum slot.

That'd be nigh impossible for me with AP pressing random letters/keys to interfere with my typing.

[Bingle]

Ok I would understand choosing to lim PM after the cc. But saying that before the cc is really fucking strange and A50 defo has a point there.

Not really. It's NAI.

Basically, if N_M is scum, he's scum with Prof. He knows that a cc is forthcoming, and also knows that being too sure is going to make him look strange to be absolutely sure before that cc happens. The surety isn't surprising either, he's been on Prof/Johnny all day.

Gun to my head, I don't think this is a N_M bus.

[Almost50]

Okay, yeah... That also means Bingle is almost definitely not a scum (Something I already knew), since he would have just told the scum partner not to claim Bus Driver since they don't need me to CC if they already knew I slipped it.

1- Bingle could always be scum even if mod-confirmed to be IC. He's that tricky.
2- That doesn't add to my knowledge or improve my reads AT ALL.
3- Either I did something wrong or the scum team is literally Prof/N_M/Froppy
4- Judging by how adamant N_M was to eliminate Prof even before the claim I know everybody's going to lean to the former option (i.e. I did something wrong), but I wouldn't put it past N_M to hard bus in this setup for towncred. (He's a VERY good player, bur he enjoys trolling as either alignment. Doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing and/or doesn't have tricks up his sleeve)

[Almost50]

Should go without saying, but you're still in "Try to swap scum with the nightkill mode." You can self target, should not preclaim your targets, and shouldn't worry about the cop at all.

It's not as simple. Like, if I was scum and wanted you dead I'd swap you with -say- shelly and then shoot shelly's slot (presumably now occupied by you). MWNN will attempt to switch you with me but in reality would be reassigning shelly my slot and me to her "new" one which is originally yours. In short, you'll still die.

What he ought to do is try to outguess scum not ONLY about their Nk but ALSO bout whom they'd be switching it with, which is why I said to play the game as mountainous from the start.

[Almost50]

Please don't kill me MWNN

I feel like N_M busses, but not this hard. So, like, welcome to the town club?

Presumption is the source of all fuck-ups.

[Almost50]

Ftr, my vote is spiritually parked there but I gotta make sure swizzle is good with it.

You need her confirmation to vote outed scum??????????????

[Almost50]

A50, stop it.

SORRY!

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

I feel special!

Every time I walk into the room, everyone goes silent and let me do my own thing without interference (erm.. @MWNN: For daring to interrupt me; you are hereby sentenced to serve as a bus driver for the remainder of your life in this thread. Court adjourned.)

[Almost50]

^Sanctioned by:

[Swizzle Pop]

Ftr, my vote is spiritually parked there but I gotta make sure swizzle is good with it.

You need her confirmation to vote outed scum??????????????

I don't really consider this "outed scum"
haven't exactly been here long enough to even have a town LEAN on MWNN
Im down with a yeet PM to the sun and then talk later if its wrong plan cuz regardless, we get a scum no matter which situation. Taylor actually read up a bit so I'm waiting for her to tell me what her read on MWNN is.

-Noraabear

[Almost50]

I don't really consider this "outed scum"

How is this not outed scum to you? What exactly do you "consider" outed scum then?

[ManWithNoName]

Should go without saying, but you're still in "Try to swap scum with the nightkill mode." You can self target, should not preclaim your targets, and shouldn't worry about the cop at all.

It's not as simple. Like, if I was scum and wanted you dead I'd swap you with -say- shelly and then shoot shelly's slot (presumably now occupied by you). MWNN will attempt to switch you with me but in reality would be reassigning shelly my slot and me to her "new" one which is originally yours. In short, you'll still die.

What he ought to do is try to outguess scum not ONLY about their Nk but ALSO bout whom they'd be switching it with, which is why I said to play the game as mountainous from the start.

I don't think it works like that, since their bus drive occurs before ours, if they decide to shoot shelly and switch with Bingle, and I decided to switch Bingle and A50, I think it ends up with an A50 shot, still.

[ManWithNoName]

Wait, no. I'm wrong.

[Almost50]

Wait, no. I'm wrong.

We're good. Just remember never to mess with a juggler.

[Swizzle Pop]

I don't really consider this "outed scum"

How is this not outed scum to you? What exactly do you "consider" outed scum then?

its only outed scum if I believe MVNN is town which I don't currently. Shelly can tell you about how she cc'ed a pr day 1 one time as scum.

-Noraabear

[ManWithNoName]

This is really easy, you elim the one who was CCed, if he flips as the town bus driver, tomorrow I'm the elimination.

Like, this is real Mafia 101 stuff.

[Bingle]

K, so this is how it would work:



Cop can be changed with a claimed town bus driver or just any random person for the same result.


So the scum team can always cancel out the town bus driver's protection. The bus driver can then counter that by either coincidently choosing the same targets as the mafia to cancel out the swapping altogether or just not try to protect them at all and just let the mafia kill the person they are swapping with the cop.

[ManWithNoName]

K, so this is how it would work:



Cop can be changed with a claimed town bus driver or just any random person for the same result.


So the scum team can always cancel out the town bus driver's protection. The bus driver can then counter that by either coincidently choosing the same targets as the mafia to cancel out the swapping altogether or just not try to protect them at all and just let the mafia kill the person they are swapping with the cop.

I am confused by this.

[Almost50]

I don't really consider this "outed scum"

How is this not outed scum to you? What exactly do you "consider" outed scum then?

its only outed scum if I believe MVNN is town which I don't currently. Shelly can tell you about how she cc'ed a pr day 1 one time as scum.

-Noraabear

OK, I'll bite. What would be the point of CC'ing here if MWNN gets to eat rope next AND the BD still gets replaced anyway? Wouldn't knowing who the BD is (and thus their reads) be better for Scum than not knowing who they are?

[ManWithNoName]

People only think I'm smart.

[Almost50]

People only think I'm smart.

Is this "People, and only people.. will think you're smart?"
Or is it "People will only think you're smart, meaning nobody assumes otherwise"

[ManWithNoName]

People only think I'm smart.

Is this "People, and only people.. will think you're smart?"
Or is it "People will only think you're smart, meaning nobody assumes otherwise"

This means people seem to be under the impression that I am an intelligent person, when in reality, I'm an idiot.

[Almost50]

OK, so the second one.

[Swizzle Pop]

I don't really consider this "outed scum"

How is this not outed scum to you? What exactly do you "consider" outed scum then?

its only outed scum if I believe MVNN is town which I don't currently. Shelly can tell you about how she cc'ed a pr day 1 one time as scum.

-Noraabear

OK, I'll bite. What would be the point of CC'ing here if MWNN gets to eat rope next AND the BD still gets replaced anyway? Wouldn't knowing who the BD is (and thus their reads) be better for Scum than not knowing who they are?

ask shelly why she cc'ed in that game. the answer is that scums are people and mess up as well. Its unlikely, I'll agree but I do think its a possibility that does need to be considered. I'm waiting for Taylor's take.

-Noraabear

[Bingle]

Generally, the reason to counterclaim early as scum is because you’re likely to go down soon anyway. MWNN doesn’t fit that criteria.