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[Infinity 324]

Explain your VP townread again?

@Flavor

VP is my only confident scumread. As for taylor, sometimes I get soulreads on people and they just aren't wrong. Idk how to explain it any other way. I agree that DGB has made some towny posts, so I could maybe compromise on her. I just hate that two of the major lim options for today are me and someone who I can't ever see as scum.

[DkKoba]

Ok I'll keep that in mind.

Be 100% honest with me, why were you stalling with your readslists?

bc i was busy with work/stressed from work at the time???

i already answered this b4 why do u keep asking?

[DkKoba]

also i wanna like point out:

FL says theres prob a scum trying to appeal to them

taylor then says after FL says that "who wants to flip FL?"

taylor wants to just get a townread from FL and that shows.

[DkKoba]

its like so lowkey that taylor wants to hide that intent and then they make excuses abt it when i prodded.

scum!taylor implies town!FL 100%

[Tayl0r Swift]

its like so lowkey that taylor wants to hide that intent and then they make excuses abt it when i prodded.

scum!taylor implies town!FL 100%

ok let me do this exercise with you too. what does town!taylor imply?

[DkKoba]

nah

[Infinity 324]

bc i was busy with work/stressed from work at the time???

i already answered this b4 why do u keep asking?

Didn't see your answer/was too confbiased and missed it. I think I believe you.

[Tayl0r Swift]

nah

im sad that you wont make an effort to engage with me here.

[Andresvmb]

I was already suspicious of FL but I certainly can see them as Scum. If Tayl0r flips Town don’t let them wiggle out if it. These posts about how they already want to move on from the day phase seem off to me. Why the rush? So you get your preferred Town kill?

[VP Baltar]

I skimmed the game kinda when I could yesterday and this morning and my town bracket probably contains Mark, Koba, VP, Flavor, A50, Andres and Infinity

Had Andres posted by the time you skimmed?

[VP Baltar]

Is FL on the taylor wagon, or...

[Andresvmb]

Don't think FL is scum cause I think he would've killed. I think I'm happy with that pool. I want to talk to andres about the n_m read.

All I can tell you is that Not_Mafia seems more confrontational than when I’ve seen them play Scum. But I’ve also never really played a long game with them. So there’s that.

[Andresvmb]

Koba I finally understand why you wanted Tayl0r dead so much. I just read your interaction with them around your Claim.

[Andresvmb]

I also think VPB is Town now. That defense of Koba I largely agree with.

[Andresvmb]

being an experienced mod

Where are you getting this from?

It is true that it's possible mark is a VT but in any case, if koba is town, it gives scum information they didn't need to know.

C’mon this is silly. Koba as Scum never publicly reveals he figured out a PR. Ever. The speculation around it is kind of annoying and I can understand why Koba is getting frustrated. They very well could have spotted Scum, and they are entirely correct in revealing that information from where I sit, even at the risk of outting a PR. And I’m going to guess that the odds that Marky Mark was RB’ed or JK’ed are pretty low.

[Andresvmb]

in the world where you apply that logic, infinity has much higher scum equity as they didnt even have a reason to out.

I strongly disagree. In a vacuum, if someone told me they were in a game and players acted the way they did in this game (assuming it was anonymous, meaning I wasn't told "names" but rather codes. A did this, B did that.. etc); I would have concluded the towniest of all claimants/outed slots is the one that claimed Detective after having been tricked to believe there was a soft-guilty on them.

We haven't heard from Mark yet (at least I haven't reached the point) so setting him aside. You and DGB had the worst actions (i.e. claims) and you should be ashamed if you are Town (and in your case it applies regardless of your alignment)

Sigh. I don’t agree with this.

DGB made it seem like they had what appeared to me to be a Cop check yes? At least we know Infinity interpreted it that way. If I’m on the opposite side of this (and btw, I actually do have a specific game where I was on the other side of this so you can see how I approached it), I would have immediately concluded DGB was Scum and voted them. No claim from me, nothing. I would have pushed DGB to commit to what kind of result, and immediately started yelling for their death. It’s either a horrible gambit (which is what it turned out in my case), or Scum. So the fact that Infinity (i) claimed, and (ii) even more strangely, threw out a TR to DGB, is an incredibly suspicious reaction.

[Andresvmb]

Hasn’t Infinity been on Gamma, Koba who is clearly Town, and Geraintm? Why is Marky Mark concluding that Infinity is iffy on 2592?

[Andresvmb]

Alright yeah once I see a VC I might just re-vote Tayl0r.

[Andresvmb]

I am vanilla and have too many toen reads, nothing of value will have been lost.

But....I need people with brains to back me up here...


Anyhow, I'm very comfortable in taking Taylor up on her proposition. I think scum is far more likely in the Taylor, infinity combo (possibly in A50 or Mark, though less likely), than in DGB. I know I'm town and will happily put my life on the line for this bargain. Plus it helps clean up the geraintm wagon further, which is bad for scum.

Alright VPB, I’ll back you up on this. I agree with you here.

[Andresvmb]

gun to head id say scum are {dgb, vpb, nm}.

my reads list is something like:
{a50, mark, (me), JV, andres}
{FL, infinity}
{NM, koba}
{dgb, vpb}

i doubt there are any scum in the top row, doubt theres more than 1 scum in the top 2 rows. i bet theres at least two scum in the bottom four people.

If Tayl0r is Town then sure, I’ll pay some attention to this. I already think A50 is Town. I’m not buying Mark or Infinity yet, so I’ll re-think those.

[Andresvmb]

I also still very much think Infinity is correct. Some of Tayl0r’s reactions can easily come from Town. If you’re so convinced that Koba is Scum, the reaction around the Claim can start to make sense. At that stage, there was some pressure on Koba. The one Scum motivation Koba could have in revealing that information (that Marky Mark is PR) is if they think that they’re not going to survive the day, and they want to give their Scum buddies a heads up (since they can’t communicate over chat, and the information would not have been accessible to the entire Team otherwise, which could be crippling).

[Andresvmb]

VPB would have, as Scum, a massive incentive in keeping Koba around to spot other PRs before turning on them, so that’s also something to think about.

In other words, the Tayl0r/Marky Mark/Infinity v. Koba/VPB/DGB could easily point to the Scum Team if we get the flips right. Which is maybe why you’re seeing so much acrimony at this stage.

[Andresvmb]

And of course, Koba did not appear to know that Marky Mark had failed to receive their message until the Day transpired.

[VP Baltar]

I also still very much think Infinity is correct.

You mean you think infinity is the correct yeet today?

[Andresvmb]

taylor pivoting to my currently biggest townread is like :S

dgb is your biggest townread? :S

I'm gonna say Koba & Baltar.

Marky increasingly scummy.

I am enjoying FL in this game.

And DGB confirms somewhat my view of the game. Though, let’s get real. No Scum is going to place their Partners as their top TRs. That I have yet to see.