Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

Umlaut · Post Post #200 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:42 pm

Vote Count 1.2

Titus

(5): ORAM, Klick, Klyne, MURDERCAT, clidd

Taly

(2): PlusJOYED, Battle Mage

PlusJOYED

(2): Taly, DeasVail

Klyne

(2): Titus, iamausername

MURDERCAT

(1): JacksonVirgo

Not Voting

(1): Marashu

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to execute someone.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-12-12 02:00:00)

Titus · Post Post #201 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:45 pm

In post 199, MURDERCAT wrote:Klyne's tone is not pinging me. I'm not good at tone reads so I'm not gunna TR an alt for tone, but I disagree with your read there.

"Marashu isn't likely scum"

Agree with this one, at first I thought the read on me was fake to the point that I actually thought it was a reaction test but the followup sounded genuine.

"I townread this" (in reference to BM)

BM has done nothing which is weird to me because my experience is he likes to lead. But also I SR'd BM as town one time and he yelled at me a lot

But I find your question kind of weird because I had to iso dive you to even see if you had any reads other than Klyne. I don't think you've been very vocal about them.

I'm not because they are weak and I'm commenting on them as I get them. I try to spend as much time relative to my strength unless they are obvious.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #202 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:45 pm

Plus, let's chat where are you at?

Titus · Post Post #203 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:51 pm

What do you think of Taly murder?

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #204 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:54 pm

UNVOTE:

I'll reconsider my vote MurderLion is fairly townie just from what I've read.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #205 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:59 pm

In post 203, Titus wrote:What do you think of Taly murder?

My heart says Taly is town posting but he's also one of the players I don't trust myself to read well given recent experience.

Titus · Post Post #206 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:01 pm

In post 205, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 203, Titus wrote:What do you think of Taly murder?
My heart says Taly is town posting but he's also one of the players I don't trust myself to read well given recent experience.

What recent experience?

clidd · Post Post #207 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:02 pm

In post 185, Titus wrote:
In post 180, Klyne wrote:Well first you have to decide how I'm still scummy for tone
I've decided that already. Were you intending to ask a different question?

I did catch that. It doesn't change the fact you're pushing everyone who posted against you. It's OMGUS in its simple form.

@Clidd, I take off later. Also, my personality has changed since my separation/divorce. It's been almost a year since it's got final. I'm a much more cooperative player IMO. But events like that change people. So any meta pre-2019 is just outdated.

Well, sorry for asking. I hope you feel better now.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #208 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:03 pm

In post 161, MURDERCAT wrote:Taly was a hard TR for me in another game recently despite being scum in a hydra with a kinda scummy partner

Kanna's game (micro 983 in my wiki)

Titus · Post Post #209 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:08 pm

In post 207, clidd wrote:
In post 185, Titus wrote:
In post 180, Klyne wrote:Well first you have to decide how I'm still scummy for tone
I've decided that already. Were you intending to ask a different question?

I did catch that. It doesn't change the fact you're pushing everyone who posted against you. It's OMGUS in its simple form.

@Clidd, I take off later. Also, my personality has changed since my separation/divorce. It's been almost a year since it's got final. I'm a much more cooperative player IMO. But events like that change people. So any meta pre-2019 is just outdated.
Well, sorry for asking. I hope you feel better now.

Don't be sorry for asking. You needed the information to sort me. It's not like you were being a jerk.

What do you think of my wagon?

clidd · Post Post #210 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:10 pm

I like only two players inside your wagon.

clidd · Post Post #211 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:12 pm

Tbh, I'm not sure anymore if I want to stay inside.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #212 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:13 pm

In post 209, Titus wrote:What do you think of my wagon?

Like this is a weird thing to ask someone on the wagon right? I don't get where these questions are coming from.

clidd · Post Post #213 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:16 pm

I'll take a break.

Maybe I'll have a better view after a good sleep.

Titus · Post Post #214 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:16 pm

In post 212, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 209, Titus wrote:What do you think of my wagon?
Like this is a weird thing to ask someone on the wagon right? I don't get where these questions are coming from.

I'm using players as a sounding board to get a feel for them.

For instance, I feel like scum from both factions are on my wagon. At first, I thought it was just one faction but the votes on me are from people who have lazy positions at best, which is exactly why I was supposedly voted.

Titus · Post Post #215 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:18 pm

In post 60, ORAM wrote:I'm actually pinged by both Klyne and Titus. 50 uses a lot of words to really say nothing, but why would scum be more likely to seek attention than town (53)?

I don't see anything in the Taly wagon tbh.

In post 139, ORAM wrote:Taly wagon: blah and unconvincing. PLUS trying to kill you to figure out Titus doesn't really make sense to me, especially as associatives are more confusing because multiball. BM feels like he's trying to get *interesting* things to happen, which isn't hard to imagine coming from someone who's been in a whole lot of RVSs, judging by the 2007 joindate, as any alignment.

Titus wagon: I have thoughts, but I'd like to save them for later

Klyne wagon: He pinged me earlier, but I don't really get this wagon now. Seems like it's only around because of a snipey personality/playstyle and not anything AI

PLUS wagon: Decent wagon, I agree with the votes and would vote here too.

Taly, Murdercat is stuck at hard null for me, sell me on your townlean there

In post 35, ORAM wrote:Hi everyone.
VOTE: Titus
The only person I've played with before, on my old account. She was town in one game years ago, so she's obviously going to be scum in this one.

For instance, this is lazy and agreeing with almost every wagon but Kylne.
Very sheepish and not really solving.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #216 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:26 pm

Maybe from your pov but same as Taly wagon a scummy vote on you isn't that convincing in this setup.

Titus · Post Post #217 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:27 pm

In post 216, MURDERCAT wrote:Maybe from your pov but same as Taly wagon a scummy vote on you isn't that convincing in this setup.

No. Not a single one. But when a wagon is full of bad/lazy votes, that's when it's a factor.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #218 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:31 pm

ORAM and Klick seem like RVS votes at least when they were made. Klyne seems reasonable to me. Obviously I like my vote. I think there is something to be said about Clidd and maybeee ORAM parking a vote but I think you are overstating your point.

What do you make of plus?

Titus · Post Post #219 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:41 pm

I'm honestly not a fan of Plusjoy already trying to force associations with his reads this early. It's more of a deterrent to actually calling people town. I get the wagon on him, but I think there's better places to push as its possible that Plus is overconfident town.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #220 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:43 pm

And that better place is Klyne currently?

Titus · Post Post #221 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:45 pm

In post 218, MURDERCAT wrote:ORAM and Klick seem like RVS votes at least when they were made. Klyne seems reasonable to me. Obviously I like my vote. I think there is something to be said about Clidd and maybeee ORAM parking a vote but I think you are overstating your point.

ORAM is indeed parking. He's saying he "has thoughts" but doesn't move his vote or elaborate. Feels like a pretty easy way to sheep consensus. That's all his latest post did anyway.
Klick started out as RVS but then he tried to justify it by saying gut.
Klyne is OMGUS.
Well you're you so I'm not convincing you that your vote is problematic it just seems rather lazy though...
Clidd I like for town but I think he's kinda mindmelding with me and making an effort to sort my alignment.

Titus · Post Post #222 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:45 pm

In post 220, MURDERCAT wrote:And that better place is Klyne currently?

Or ORAM yes

MURDERCAT · Post Post #223 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:47 pm

In post 221, Titus wrote:Well you're you so I'm not convincing you that your vote is problematic it just seems rather lazy though...

Like ok let's talk about this then. Because of all 5 I think I'm the one most actively engaging you (at least productively).

Titus · Post Post #224 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:50 pm

In post 223, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 221, Titus wrote:Well you're you so I'm not convincing you that your vote is problematic it just seems rather lazy though...
Like ok let's talk about this then. Because of all 5 I think I'm the one most actively engaging you (at least productively).

You weren't at the time of your vote. That's why it was lazy. Now, I feel like this conversation is a bit like pulling teeth to get a reads discussion and a feel for you. It feels rather oppositional.

For instance, I say ORAM is a good place to vote. You basically say yes my point is good but one vote doesn't make it bad. Then you go on to say ORAM is RVS. Kick too. That's despite what their ISOs say. So yes, I feel like your response to me has been a little lazy oppositional than engaging. You want me to be a good lynch, regardless of your alignment.