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[Albert B. Rampage]

No i dont get angry as scum here. I self hammer and Gtfo. I hate playing scum.

I dont spend my energy after a long day of moving and work TO GET ON YOUR FUCKING ASS TO WAKE THE FUCK UP AND SMELL THE SCUM RIDING YOU SO HARD

[Gamma Emerald]

DV wagon absolutely infested with scum

[VP Baltar]

there is no town roleblocker.

massclaim only helps scum. theres a scum roleblocker confirmed.

why should we massclaim? its not LYLO.

Fucking cakez man I was seriously reconsidering his flip and could have saved him

Lol may as well claim scum bud

The last 2 mislynch don't happen without you.

VOTE: VPB

Im ready to vote out Gamma and VPB and IV

Fuck this game

VOTE: IV

[Gamma Emerald]

No i dont get angry as scum here. I self hammer and Gtfo. I hate playing scum.

I dont spend my energy after a long day of moving and work TO GET ON YOUR FUCKING ASS TO WAKE THE FUCK UP AND SMELL THE SCUM RIDING YOU SO HARD

Raw, Unfiltered BULLSHIT.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Gamma DV and Ico/peta are the scum.

You are literally one player who is scumsiding and fucking everything up for town.

You are so far up your own ass you cant look around you and see how the scum have creeped into your inner circle.

Just stop VPB. Stop. What youre doing to me is what you and I did together to cakez.

Dont keep doing the same mistake you fuck, its been 12 years we have been playing for fuck's sake. Read all of IV's posts. He is telling you what you need to listen to right now.

You're a fucking idiot if you can't see that.

[VP Baltar]

You haven't explained to me at all why you switched your view of IV and DV

[Albert B. Rampage]

I dont give a fuck VPB. I literally dont give a fuck. You are looking down a long and dark tunnel and gamma is on your fucking shoulder, ico is on your back and DV is in your throat. I need you to spit him out and die with some fucking dignity tonight so I can win us the game tomorrow.

[DeasVail]

oh that's interesting

[Albert B. Rampage]

I dont fucking care VPB nothing i say will convince you isn't that true????????

[Albert B. Rampage]

You haven't explained to me at all why you switched your view of IV and DV

My reads are worth shit. Your reads are worth shit. We shut the fuck up and listen to IV and that's it.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: ABR

You can't answer a simple question, you die. Simple as that

[Iconeum]

he is super busy, not posting elsewhere and potentially not caught up.

he literally said it was a fake claim, that implies he at least read the claim

[Albert B. Rampage]

you can call me read on him "pocketed", "colored", "biased" all you want, because he "saved me" or at least defended me from the D2 elim. let me be clear on a few GTH reasons why i thought he was town though, outside of that:

-the claim truly was like, almost completely unnecessary, there's almost no reason to not just kill cakez at night
-the shoshin "cc" was consistent with the story, along with the tunneling cakez on role mechanics, etc, it's all very consistent with someone who is expecting a very traditional kind of setup without too many investigatives
-the role? like wtf? the only reasonable explanation is that he's the scum version of the role, but the lazy modifier seems really random, not something he'd come up with
-the blow-up at me for not joining him on Cakez does not seem like, anything he would do as scum, that definitely felt fucking real
-tone, general frustration, the "feeling bad about tunneling scum!Cakez", it just all expressed a wide range of emotions that had to be faked by scum which all seems pretty unlikely especially coming from a player who loves to be Town.

points ive heard against him:
-setup spec, sure, I don't know too much about it but gypyx setups are apparently fucking wild so whatever not confscum for me
-okay he was the driver of two townie elims but that... happens even if he is town? everyone else joined those wagons for a reason
-he's trying to deflect responsibility from the elims with the whole "omg cakez I was about to 180 on you but you gave up" rant. I don't even think that is that scummy on further reflection. It's so obvious he was the driver of the wagons. As scum it obviously looks bad if he tries to deflect responsibility away from himself, so I think the read here being scum!indicative is just... lazy

i think, expressing my viewpoint here is on balance helpful because no one is on ABR's side atm. if im wrong and my points are all BS then the ABR yeet will still go through. im gonna go back to playing devil's advocate in the meantime.

forgot to reiterate ABR's "giving up" lately really could just be him being busy.

and also the point about him not dying instead of datisi, well he's getting a ton of heat today, maybe scum are setting him up as the ML and messed with the RB in some weird way.

My role is a red herring, scum have ninja.

Theres gotta be a scum counter to detective as well.

Thats about all I can say.

"this setup is wild" in a lot of cases, i would see as scum trying to weasel and rationalize their fakeclaim when the default assumption is a "normal setup"

"this setup is wild" when the moderator has a red hand in their avi and is called Gypyx, should be the default assumption

if this is some master scum plan, it's not ABR's idea.

i also think, it's kind of indicative that no one came to ABR's defense at all today. zero. scum!ABR had ground to keep fighting here going into D3. The narrative that he just "gave up and spewed obvscum everywhere" seems too wifomy to be real.

DV's iso is pretty unimpressive

i feel like they've just been coasting all game and letting active town destroy itself

in fact, peta's point about players like gamma being less active over time and you mwb being more active over time as shit got crazy is like, pretty telling

these were like, my only notes on my skim. conclusion is that this could be the scumteam. im not at all sure, but it's definitely possible

now i'm paranoid we're all town and scum Noraa is skating by here

Maybe? Why can’t it be mwb or DV or something
Though I also dislike that Noraa’s activity has dropped hard. You might actually be onto something there.

'You might actually be onto something here" gross

Gamma v. Iconeum 1578-etc seems like... a potentially somewhat genuine exchange in information that is giving me a little pause
Gamma v. DV 1925 weird interaction that might not be partnery? idk

it seems none of ico, gamma, dv really cared about ABR vs. Cakez

they all just let that happen/passively supported it, and instead decided to go push scummy slot Noraa

this is like, the best thing for them: when 2 TPR are at each others throats, push a 3rd scummy looking townie, and town will be so distracted by all the wagons but oh, they're all town, wow this is great

ico "sad panda" could've been anything

gamma, dv, ico etc all kind of TR'd ABR around eod2, and i think ico/DV at least mentioned that all 3 TPRs *could* be town. suddenly they want to yeet ABR on D3 with little turnaround, little second guessing, just... yep fine with me now... oh wait don't forget about noraa-slot that we've been fake-tunnelling all game!

none of ico's claims or info is outside of scumrange for ico that knew they got blocked D1 and visited by FN

Read this and go to hell

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: ABR

You can't answer a simple question, you die. Simple as that

I DONT DIE I LIVE AND YOU DIE TONIGHT YOU FUCK

[Iconeum]

you can call me read on him "pocketed", "colored", "biased" all you want, because he "saved me" or at least defended me from the D2 elim. let me be clear on a few GTH reasons why i thought he was town though, outside of that:

-the claim truly was like, almost completely unnecessary, there's almost no reason to not just kill cakez at night
-the shoshin "cc" was consistent with the story, along with the tunneling cakez on role mechanics, etc, it's all very consistent with someone who is expecting a very traditional kind of setup without too many investigatives
-the role? like wtf? the only reasonable explanation is that he's the scum version of the role, but the lazy modifier seems really random, not something he'd come up with
-the blow-up at me for not joining him on Cakez does not seem like, anything he would do as scum, that definitely felt fucking real
-tone, general frustration, the "feeling bad about tunneling scum!Cakez", it just all expressed a wide range of emotions that had to be faked by scum which all seems pretty unlikely especially coming from a player who loves to be Town.

points ive heard against him:
-setup spec, sure, I don't know too much about it but gypyx setups are apparently fucking wild so whatever not confscum for me
-okay he was the driver of two townie elims but that... happens even if he is town? everyone else joined those wagons for a reason
-he's trying to deflect responsibility from the elims with the whole "omg cakez I was about to 180 on you but you gave up" rant. I don't even think that is that scummy on further reflection. It's so obvious he was the driver of the wagons. As scum it obviously looks bad if he tries to deflect responsibility away from himself, so I think the read here being scum!indicative is just... lazy

so if it's not ABR according to you, what *is* the solve?

[petapan]

i don't know what to think right now i'm sorry i'm gonna sleep on it

[petapan]

im scared

[DeasVail]

Okay yeah I'm not backing out of an ABR vote

[Iconeum]

i think his D2 posting is like, outside of the scumrange of many players on MS so if i see something that suggests it's not outside ABR's scumrange id feel better about the ABR yeet

What are you seriously proposing here? You want to yeet someone else?

i think scumteam is just 3 out of 4 of {ico, dv, mwb, gamma} unless i see a strong case on abr.

oh ok

that implies a SHITFEST of town power you realize that right?

tracker/motion detector
detective
hider
1x nb
roleblocker + fn
a backup for the roleblocker

that's literally 6 named townies in this game, there's no way all of this power is town (even for a gypyx 'normal')
literally 2 strong investigatives, a hider that is immune from NK's if done right, my role isn't that +town but ok, a SUPER STRONG confirmeable player that is also a roleblocker THAT ALSO HAS A BACKUP?

no fucking way

[Albert B. Rampage]

Whatever im looking past today because VPB is a much worse player than I ever could have imagined.

Listen basically I flip green, VPB hopefully dies because hes an idiot and I get to bash him in the graveyard as hard as I'm taking incoming from Shoshin and cakez which VPB was very much responsible for but whatever.

Tomorrow you guys have a very thin margin if i die today.

Extremely, razor sharp thin.

Gamma is scum 100%. DV is scum.

Now listen very carefully Dunstral I want you to make the right choice and kill Ico. Hes the last of the 3.

LISTEN TO MY READS.

and do NOT let them kill me, make it no lynch if you have to, HOLD FIRM YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ME BEING TOWN DO NOT KEEL OVER. DO NOT LET THEM BULLY YOU INTO VOTING ME. You make yourself like a tree and YOU HOLD THE LINE AGAINST THESE SCUMBAGS AND THE IDIOT TOWN THAT LEADS THEM.

[VP Baltar]

Occam's razor this shit. Datisi doesn't die overnight in a world where ABR is town. He's also claiming there is both a scum RB and a scum ninja so he never has to have a real result. You're going to have to yeet ABR before end game.

[Iconeum]

and once ABR realized his claim was about to blow up in their face, they basicly stopped playing (right before mass claim when VP and me were doing that thing)

[DeasVail]

all I can say is that I am town and I know I haven't done anything magnificent this game but tbh it's been rough ever since Shoshin was eliminated out of nowhere (I admit that after the claim shenanigans it was a forgone conclusion though).

I don't know exactly what people have expected of me that I haven't delivered, but I am actually seriously worried about being eliminated here because I don't know if town recovers from it.

(okay in some ways it would be a relief but I want to try too, you know?)

[VP Baltar]

LISTEN TO MY READS.

Lol

[DeasVail]

(I'm also still very much feeling Dunn as mafia. Dunn literally used my townread on ABR Day 2 as a reason for scumreading me, highlighting it as red in my reads list, and then chooses to vote me over ABR????)