PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

BM hasn't been miselimmed for ages apparently so he has selfish interests in being survivalistic

Take a look from his perspective. If it helps with getting scum!me eliminated tommorow why would he care that much about being limmed first? Unless he knows he is flipping red.

- Norwee

Norwee I'm clearly not, and never have been, sufficiently certain you're scum that I think a 1v1 with you is a protown move. I'm only doing that with a super solid read, or a mech guilty. I think you are just being overly sensitive about the fact I think your slot is scummy. It doesn't mean I'm a moron who is gonna pretend you're lockscum and tunnel you until one of us dies.

I know you don't rate my game much, but as we've discussed before, I do try and improve.

The actual way you should interpret this is, why go to such lengths to buy myself another day as scum? given how today has gone, i don't imagine a world where scum-BM makes it to E-Lo here anyway, so what would it matter? I dunno, maybe it's like pichu said - the fact i defend myself is NAI, but the manner and sincerity i do it with reads as town.

Either way, if you're town here, I hope you give me some respect for the fact I tried to defend myself from the majority consensus, and didn't just roll over and die.

[MURDERCAT]

It still feels
like a lot
of AtE

[Solstice]

this is not a great one - I'm not convinced Morning-town just gives up on reading me here, with a fatalistic "it's gonna be him or me" with 4 days left on Day 1 and barely a majority between us.

[very sorry for being grumpy there, im over it now]

[my bigger issue is that I almost always townread emotions. I did go back and read at least a lot of it. I came away townleaning some of the emotional bits obviously -- i did have some comments in 2542 though that i was curious about. Since when are you a lurky/bad scum player, for example?]

yes im town noraa, i've poured my heart and soul out in this thread. i think you are emotionally intelligent enough to see this is BM-town. I don't know why you're voting me, unless you are really planning to over-rule Pooky?

[like as i have gone over, a lot of the things people are finding BM suspicious for, i don't really. I certainly haven't read everything though, especially many of mastina's points. I have a lot of respect for BM's scumgame in that i could see this recent emotional play being a ploy (I am having serious flashbacks to Revelations D1 Auro vs. VP Baltar). He also could be town where Mastina/Double are just seriously off the mark]

[I should definitely take a deep dive and try to understand all of the arguments presented but at the moment im just weighing the chances of each player being scum off of what i have read myself. At the moment my only really strong reads are Ydrasse/Pichu/Dunn town]

~Morning

[Polar Bear Express]

The actual way you should interpret this is, why go to such lengths to buy myself another day as scum? given how today has gone, i don't imagine a world where scum-BM makes it to E-Lo here anyway, so what would it matter? I dunno, maybe it's like pichu said - the fact i defend myself is NAI, but the manner and sincerity i do it with reads as town.

Either way, if you're town here, I hope you give me some respect for the fact I tried to defend myself from the majority consensus, and didn't just roll over and die.

I don't think this is town indicative considering this is something I did recently as scum but overall I'm not that convinced about you being scum.

-nronor

[Polar Bear Express]

I do respect the effort regardless of ur alignment tho.

You are a WIM monster just like myself but with more experience.

-nornor

[Bell]

That post looks remarkably familiar.
@BM.

are you literally voting me coz NC told you to? We're 100 pages deep dude, gimme something.

If someone specifically asks me to sheep and i’m Tring them I usually do it.
105 pages day 1. Would prefer ircher over you i’ve been out of this game for like 4 days. There’s a lot of crap to go through. I’m good.

[Polar Bear Express]

Dunn town

Dunn has disappeared off the face of the earth. Why is he a strong TR?

-nornor

[Battle Mage]

BM are you town?
If you are town, what do you think about Murder's stance around your wagon. Constant shade yet no vote?

-nornor

yes im town noraa, i've poured my heart and soul out in this thread. i think you are emotionally intelligent enough to see this is BM-town. I don't know why you're voting me, unless you are really planning to over-rule Pooky?

Tv and ice cubes is a townie who I have a really strong TR on and he thinks ur the best lim. The reasons are decent like if we go elsewhere what if we end up outing a pr? and stuff like that. Idk.
I feel like I'm being dragged one way and then the other.

It's like tug of war but I'm the rope :/

PHEW. UNVOTE:
pls don't hurt me I don't wanna be the rope. I'll vote back only if pooky requests it. I really don't wanna be the rope. It's not good for my enjoyment in this game.

-nornor

half of that hydra set out in detail earlier why the case on me was complete garbage. I think 1 head thinks I'm scum, and 1 head thinks I'm town. It's hard to tell, their opinions seem to vary a lot and they don't sign their posts for some reason.

the argument of elimming someone you think is vanilla because you avoid outting a PR isn't really enough on it's own. you have to actually have some reason to think they are likely scum. otherwise you just elim a bunch of VTs and lose. Presumably the night power is loaded towards scum anyway given they chose their PRs, and Pooky probably ain't gonna force a claim out of one of his own masons so that reduces the risk. also, the worst thing for town in this game is a predictable pool of potential elims which scum can manipulate. unpredictability and some lustre are positive.

[MURDERCAT]

Every time
you talk to Noraa
without giving a read on her
I get closer to voting you

[Battle Mage]

That post looks remarkably familiar.
@BM.

are you literally voting me coz NC told you to? We're 100 pages deep dude, gimme something.

If someone specifically asks me to sheep and i’m Tring them I usually do it.
105 pages day 1. Would prefer ircher over you i’ve been out of this game for like 4 days. There’s a lot of crap to go through. I’m good.

lol alright i'll sit on you for now, this is brazenly weak VOTE: Bell

[Bell]

‘Sorry, I should have lied.
Actually i’m Scum reading you.
Because mastina’s case was super convincing.

[Battle Mage]

i'd probably still have voted you for that - appreciate the attempt though

[Bell]

Np.
Sorry.

[Battle Mage]

if you're town, you can help immensely by doing pretty much anything other than voting me, when I've already been run up and Pooky-endorsed. can understand not wanting to read loads of crap, but anything will do. otherwise we're not getting anywhere

[Battle Mage]

Pooky, want a slice of pizza?

[Netflix and Chill]

I'm not a PR so who gives a crap?

You're right. You're

not

a PR. So why

should

we care about you?

Also, yes, I argued against

some

points of Mastina's case against you. I also said I thought some of the things she said had merit. I'm willing to eliminate you for the latter.

Not to mention Norwee had a point that you spent most of your time relying on AtE to defend yourself rather than solving. And before you were even wagoned the first time, you were clearly softing a PR, but now you're supposedly just a VT.

So here we are, back to the BM wagon.

[Polar Bear Express]

Every time
you talk to Noraa
without giving a read on her
I get closer to voting you

@Noraa why did you unvote this?

[Polar Bear Express]

Every time
you talk to Noraa
without giving a read on her
I get closer to voting you

@Noraa why did you unvote this?

T^T sorry gloria!!

VOTE: BIG SCUMBUTT MURDERCAT

-nornor

[Netflix and Chill]

Hey BM what are your thoughts on Solstice currently?

playing very safe. it's hard to tell with MT - I think she is playing how she played when she hydra'd with me as town. Her takes on the game are like, logically sound, and steeped in the trademark MT-town wariness of jumping to conclusions. But I also feel like she's cruising and could easily still be scum here.

In short, could go either way.

[like as i have gone over, a lot of the things people are finding BM suspicious for, i don't really. I certainly haven't read everything though, especially many of mastina's points. I have a lot of respect for BM's scumgame in that i could see this recent emotional play being a ploy (I am having serious flashbacks to Revelations D1 Auro vs. VP Baltar). He also could be town where Mastina/Double are just seriously off the mark]

Interestingly enough, both Solstice and BM have similar noncommittal reads on each other.

[Battle Mage]

NK15 - 19 posts out of 105 pages.
Of which:

2 apologising for inactivity
4 non game-related or jokes
3 pushing Bell for the way they talked to Flavor Leaf (I don't mind this really).
2 pushing Norwee for spam, then 2 backtracking from pushing Norwee for spam. (I quite like this, in that he attacked a loud slot, and wasn't afraid to back down. there's a question on the phraseology though, it reads slightly awkward to me.)
3 advising that people shouldn't read too much into meta, because FL would tell people to play to their meta or something (in hindsight, I'm not as convinced this means much)
1 sheeping pichu in an attack on MT, although there's some originality and evidence of solving-mindset in the attack-line taken.
2 posts randomly trying to pin people to Ircher without explanation.

RED FLAG

The takes are mostly pretty surface-level. It sometimes appears they have reads which they don't explain. The worst thing probably is a real pre-occupation with Flavor Leaf, and a self-consciousness which doesn't read as town here. It's basically a lurker slot too. But their rare pushes have felt genuine.

If they flip scum, definitely look at Ircher as having high partner equity.

Definitely a slot worth pressuring on Day 1, overall a decent chance of being scum, with some bright town feels.

[Double the Trouble]

ok real talk
who actually go out of their way to want NK15 on their team?

[Toogeloo]

I've pretty much stopped reading. There's no excuse for having over 100 pages on Day 1. Who the hell actually likes reading that much?

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Polar Bear Express
...is probably my vote of choice.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Solstice
...because this day needs to be over.

[Toogeloo]

There is sooooo much AtE in this game.

[MURDERCAT]

Toog knows what's up