Yellowstone

[MathBlade]

I would favour a Vax elim here. If I was gonna vote outside Vax/G (which seems foolish to me when 1 of the 2 is scum in most realistic circs) I would probably look at infin ahead of Noraa

@Noraa - I guess if the masons have rolecop (which is what it sounds like) then checking a claimed VT is worthwhile in case you get a non-vanilla result

I would stop trying to guess what we do or don’t have please. That’d be awesome. K thanks!

[JacksonVirgo]

Also needless to say if true then DGB could have blocked G then again. Assuming it is then Vax is prolly town and I wanna elim Nora I think.

Can I ask what receiving a fruit vendor notif changes your view on wanting to elim Vax?

Assuming it’s true then the plan to likely confirm Vax as PGO worked.

Scum really shouldn’t kill Flea here by numbers unless being silly.

PoE leaves Nora, G, DGB, Infinity

Marky Mark was likely conf based on VT claim
Jackson likely conf based on N1 vig
We’re masons

That’s 4 townies there. 2/3 scum left.
Add Vax becomes 5. Vax can’t be killed except by some sort of scum powers like maybe ninja depending upon how it’s worded maybe not.

So we’re looking at 5 lock!townies into today.
Assume miselim here
Then a lock Townie dies

4 lock townies into tomorrow 3 in scum pool possible
Scum have no room to breathe and Vax goes to elo.

Can you explain why receiving the fruit vendor notif confirms them as PGO? I don't follow. Also why is MarkiePoo claiming VT make them in the town tier next to masons and myself?

[MathBlade]

Also needless to say if true then DGB could have blocked G then again. Assuming it is then Vax is prolly town and I wanna elim Nora I think.

Can I ask what receiving a fruit vendor notif changes your view on wanting to elim Vax?

Assuming it’s true then the plan to likely confirm Vax as PGO worked.

Scum really shouldn’t kill Flea here by numbers unless being silly.

PoE leaves Nora, G, DGB, Infinity

Marky Mark was likely conf based on VT claim
Jackson likely conf based on N1 vig
We’re masons

That’s 4 townies there. 2/3 scum left.
Add Vax becomes 5. Vax can’t be killed except by some sort of scum powers like maybe ninja depending upon how it’s worded maybe not.

So we’re looking at 5 lock!townies into today.
Assume miselim here
Then a lock Townie dies

4 lock townies into tomorrow 3 in scum pool possible
Scum have no room to breathe and Vax goes to elo.

Can you explain why receiving the fruit vendor notif confirms them as PGO? I don't follow. Also why is MarkiePoo claiming VT make them in the town tier next to masons and myself?

Because when they claimed they didn’t know what (if any) lies would work or not.
Because scum wouldn’t have the spare kill to kill Flea and it’s more likely they attempted elsewhere and it is unlikely G did the kill so DGB likely didn’t block a second kill.

[MathBlade]

I don’t see scum killing Flea of all people here. That doesn’t really make sense.

[JacksonVirgo]

They do if Vax is scum, it doesn't clear them just 'cuz they got the notif

[JacksonVirgo]

They do if Vax is scum, it doesn't clear them just 'cuz they got the notif

Your logic makes no sense from anyone's perspective except your own it looks like.

[Infinity 324]

well unless the scum team is just Vax/Guillo, something went really wrong.

Mark or me could be scum fypov right?

Still feel like vax is likely scum, if they thought flea visited someone else then it makes sense they wouldn't claim a fruit. They're probably not a PGO though.

Math, if vax fakeclaimed PGO killing flea makes sense right? It frames DGB's block target, and if flea targets vax and lives then they're outed.

[MathBlade]

They do if Vax is scum, it doesn't clear them just 'cuz they got the notif

They got the notification proves Flea visited Vax. It doesn’t 100% clear Vax but it makes the more probable option that he is town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Good time as any to remember that votes are a thing

VOTE: Vax

pedit: That shouldn't make them any different than when you were saying you wanted to yeet them regardless of you thinking they're Town. It just makes them less likely teamed with DGB. I am not following, like at all

[MathBlade]

well unless the scum team is just Vax/Guillo, something went really wrong.

Mark or me could be scum fypov right?

Still feel like vax is likely scum, if they thought flea visited someone else then it makes sense they wouldn't claim a fruit. They're probably not a PGO though.

Math, if vax fakeclaimed PGO killing flea makes sense right? It frames DGB's block target, and if flea targets vax and lives then they're outed.

If he did fake claim yes. I just don’t see Vax claiming PGO with Pig fake crumbing it. Odds are that scum are looking for PGO and investigative. It just doesn’t seem likely to me that scum would fake claim a role another crumbed.

[Guillotina]

Hey all

Looks like the day started just after I went to bed last night and then was locked by the time I had woken up - see my previous wry comments about the mafiascum experience for European players

G's been stretching today, I'm not gonna lie.

As I understand it, Vax is either:
PGO -> means Flea died from visiting them -> means either G is scum or scum no-killed to frame G
Not PGO-> means scum killed Flea and Vax is 90% scum because why would town!vax lie about their role

I've still not heard back from Vax ref why they didn't claim D1 fwiw

--pedit lolwat from math. In this scenario either Vax or G is scum 90% so why look elsewhere?

I am glad I'm not the only one catching Guill's fall from grace and yeah I think Math's logic is wack as I've said in the wall and I believe we catch at least one scum if we yeet both Guill and Vax, unless other information arises that stops us.

Although it's still possible scum cross-killed as a lot of people apparently missed Flea's claim or even killed to not clear the PGO, both are fairly weak WIFOM arguments though.

I fall from grace every day, im used to that crap now. It will not stop me from making the questions everyone is afraid to ask because they might look like wolf.

[Infinity 324]

When pig said "I wish I was that smart", it felt genuine to me. I don't think pig actually meant to crumb PGO.

[MathBlade]

Good time as any to remember that votes are a thing

VOTE: Vax

pedit: That shouldn't make them any different than when you were saying you wanted to yeet them regardless of you thinking they're Town. It just makes them less likely teamed with DGB. I am not following, like at all

I don’t want to yeet them. I understand if it happens but I think they are town. I just can’t bring myself to yeet someone I townread.

[Noraa]

I think its more likely that guillo was doing a kill and got blocked than vax being scum.

VOTE: Guillo

[MathBlade]

When pig said "I wish I was that smart", it felt genuine to me. I don't think pig actually meant to crumb PGO.

I think it was accurate and a buddy told him to do that.

I don’t think he was that smart but a buddy was.

[MathBlade]

It’s the same trick I use when conveying something in secret.

I make something look really a lot like X but it’s really Y.

X is still true mind you but really Y is.

[JacksonVirgo]

Good time as any to remember that votes are a thing

VOTE: Vax

pedit: That shouldn't make them any different than when you were saying you wanted to yeet them regardless of you thinking they're Town. It just makes them less likely teamed with DGB. I am not following, like at all

I don’t want to yeet them. I understand if it happens but I think they are town. I just can’t bring myself to yeet someone I townread.

That's perfectly fine, although that contradicts your earlier actions when you were willing to as you thought it was the smarter play. I am trying to find the reasonings behind why you switched your mind

[MathBlade]

Good time as any to remember that votes are a thing

VOTE: Vax

pedit: That shouldn't make them any different than when you were saying you wanted to yeet them regardless of you thinking they're Town. It just makes them less likely teamed with DGB. I am not following, like at all

I don’t want to yeet them. I understand if it happens but I think they are town. I just can’t bring myself to yeet someone I townread.

That's perfectly fine, although that contradicts your earlier actions when you were willing to as you thought it was the smarter play. I am trying to find the reasonings behind why you switched your mind

Mainly I’ve just been more sure of my town!Vax read based on how he claimed no message.
I think scum!Vax here fakes it every time to try to get G elimmed.

Now with Vax likely getting the message (still need to confirm)

That scum Vax just becomes really unlikely to me. This means scum likely tried to kill elsewhere.

[Momrangal]

GUYS

[JacksonVirgo]

Good time as any to remember that votes are a thing

VOTE: Vax

pedit: That shouldn't make them any different than when you were saying you wanted to yeet them regardless of you thinking they're Town. It just makes them less likely teamed with DGB. I am not following, like at all

I don’t want to yeet them. I understand if it happens but I think they are town. I just can’t bring myself to yeet someone I townread.

That's perfectly fine, although that contradicts your earlier actions when you were willing to as you thought it was the smarter play. I am trying to find the reasonings behind why you switched your mind

Mainly I’ve just been more sure of my town!Vax read based on how he claimed no message.
I think scum!Vax here fakes it every time to try to get G elimmed.

Now with Vax likely getting the message (still need to confirm)

That scum Vax just becomes really unlikely to me. This means scum likely tried to kill elsewhere.

Depends if Vax is the mafia PR as they would self-pres all the way. I’m leaving for work now so I can’t post anymore for a while

[Momrangal]

GUYS THE MOD MISTAKE WAS VAX WAS GIFTED SOMETHING

[JacksonVirgo]

GUYS THE MOD MISTAKE WAS VAX WAS GIFTED SOMETHING

Indeed it was, but it was a fruit vendor not a gift really

[Momrangal]

Still feel like vax is likely scum, if they thought flea visited someone else then it makes sense they wouldn't claim a fruit. They're probably not a PGO though.

Responding to this mostly

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m probably going to ignore any secret protective fantasy as I honestly don’t believe one exists with my current eyes on the setup so that means scum crosskilled, nokilled or was blocked.

66% that one of Vax/Gills is scum in a vacuum

[MathBlade]

Good time as any to remember that votes are a thing

VOTE: Vax

pedit: That shouldn't make them any different than when you were saying you wanted to yeet them regardless of you thinking they're Town. It just makes them less likely teamed with DGB. I am not following, like at all

I don’t want to yeet them. I understand if it happens but I think they are town. I just can’t bring myself to yeet someone I townread.

That's perfectly fine, although that contradicts your earlier actions when you were willing to as you thought it was the smarter play. I am trying to find the reasonings behind why you switched your mind

Mainly I’ve just been more sure of my town!Vax read based on how he claimed no message.
I think scum!Vax here fakes it every time to try to get G elimmed.

Now with Vax likely getting the message (still need to confirm)

That scum Vax just becomes really unlikely to me. This means scum likely tried to kill elsewhere.

Depends if Vax is the mafia PR as they would self-pres all the way. I’m leaving for work now so I can’t post anymore for a while

My point. Self pres would involve hanging G and claiming being visited.

I just don’t think Vax is scum here

Preferred order is Nora,G,Vax,DGB.