Yellowstone

[Hectic]

Votecount 5.2

[1] DrippingGoofball:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

DrippingGoofball, Marky Mark, Infinity 324, JacksonVirgo

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

The elimination deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-12 16:36:19).

Joint Mod ISO

[Marky Mark]

Incidentally, Mom (while a competent player) clearly isn't omniscient, as she was the third seat on the wagon on town yesterday.

She knew it was town all of yesterday

Aside from the point that Mom is not infalliable and has no more information than you, this simply isn't true.

Noraa
Marky Mark
DrippingGoofball
JacksonVirgo
Vaxkiller

JV

Nora
Infinity
Vax

Mark
DBG

I'm also not expecting anyone else to look at anyone else but vax and even if I manage to convince to get another lynch, people will still look at Vax tomorrow

She had Vax as the bottom of her null pile

[Marky Mark]

This is, however, a tangent. If you think I am scum then make a case so that we can talk through it and scrutinise your logic.

[Marky Mark]

Theory 1: Noraa + 1 other

-TPRs: 2x mason+, 1x Roleblock, 1x Fruit Vend, 1x N1 vig, 1x PGO = 5/10 townies (4/10 if DGB or JV is the buddy)
-(known) Scum PRs: N/A (If DGB is the buddy then maaaybe there could be a scum RB)
-Scum on HW wagon: 0-1 (0 unless JV or DGB is the partner)
-Scum on pig wagon: 1 (ie any possible partner of Noraa was on the wagon)
-Scum on Guillo wagon: 1-2 (2 unless scum was DGB or JV)
-Scum on Vax wagon: 1-2 (2 unless DGB is the buddy)
-Notes: This theory is mainly based on the quickhammer yesterday, as up to that point I really felt like Noraa was on the same page as me

Theory 2: DGB + JV

-TPRs: 2x mason+, 1x Fruit Vend, 1x PGO = 4/10 townies
-(known) Scum PRs: N/A (altho could speculate that DGB is scum RB)
-Scum on HW wagon: 2
-Scum on pig wagon: 2
-Scum on Guillo wagon: 0 (caveat that in this theory, both leading wagons were on town)
-Scum on Vax wagon: 1
-Notes: If DGB is scum then JV as buddy seems by far the most likely as it would provide an excuse for the N1 kill while still letting DGB set up the 'Guilty' on pig to bus for towncred

--pedit: @Noraa noted, I don't think I was, or certainly had not intention of telling them to, but people are welcome to ISO me and make up their own minds

[Marky Mark]

^ Just trying to get my thoughts straight on which theory is better supported by the facts.

Ignore the random pedit at the end of the post - I based this off a similar one I was doing yesterday when the main theories were Vax/1 other and DGB/JV but the thread got locked as I was about to paste it due to the quickhammer. I saved it in my notes PT for reference and must have copied the pedit across when I copied the format

[Marky Mark]

^ Just trying to get my thoughts straight on which theory is better supported by the facts.

Ignore the random pedit at the end of the post - I based this off a similar one I was doing yesterday when the main theories were Vax/1 other and DGB/JV but the thread got locked as I was about to paste it due to the quickhammer. I saved it in my notes PT for reference and must have copied the pedit across when I copied the format

[Marky Mark]

The quickhammer was v sus at the end of yesterday from Noraa, but I was still slightly leaning towards DGB/JV being the solve, especially as JV seemed to overeact somewhat when I raised the theory yesterday. After seeing Noraa try to sheep Mom to push DGB/me today rather than owning her suspicions, I am less sure of myself.

[Marky Mark]

I'm going to head to bed shortly. Hopefully this game will still be here in the morning

[JacksonVirgo]

Who do you think is DGB's partner?

@JV Why did you shoot n1 if you think your role is negative utility?

Because it's better than not, killing town and clearing nulls > not killing at all.

[JacksonVirgo]

pfft dgb is just scum. I don't really care if we don't even get to talk today. Lets get this scum.

VOTE: DGB

Again I would like to say that they're mechanically Town unless you have logic to counter my own against why DGB's claim is not mechanically Town like I've been saying.

I'm going to wait until I fully catch up before springing something

[JacksonVirgo]

So the quickhammer yesterday really threw me, as I just felt we were starting to get somewhere with that discussion.

I was TRing Noraa before, so fmpov this day comes down to whether their hammer was a genuine mistake (in which case most likely scumteam is DGB/JV) or a calculated play (in which case the scumteam is them and one other).

I'm not sure how noraa is trying to fit me as being a scumbuddy of DGB here - as I explained yesterday, if DGB is scum then JV makes the most sense as a partner, as it would explain the N1 kill. Otherwise, scum no-killed N1, which seems unlikely and suboptimal.

Noraa quick-hammering there as scum is actually a pretty genius play if Noraa was scum there. As Vax/Noraa was the likely scum-team at that time, Noraa hammering there launches them into a LYLO and the read of Vax/Noraa can be abused to make them look Town if they used it right, but they didn't and they're just scum here.

[Infinity 324]

What if scum have 3 goons/only a gated PR?

[JacksonVirgo]

What if scum have 3 goons/only a gated PR?

When I was designing normal games I was told that an all-goon setup usually needs three moderately strong Town PRs. But what's the tinfoil where you're seeing 3 goons/gated PR?

[Noraa]

Every single person has posted already. DGB is confscum if you believe I am town(which you should because I am town)

[Noraa]

She had Vax as the bottom of her null pile

ok? That just means you and dgb are the solve.

[Noraa]

This is, however, a tangent. If you think I am scum then make a case so that we can talk through it and scrutinise your logic.

I don't want to unless I feel like everyone is being absolutely stupid and going down the wrong path.

[Noraa]

The quickhammer was v sus at the end of yesterday from Noraa, but I was still slightly leaning towards DGB/JV being the solve, especially as JV seemed to overeact somewhat when I raised the theory yesterday. After seeing Noraa try to sheep Mom to push DGB/me today rather than owning her suspicions, I am less sure of myself.

good. handing out free town passes is a very bad scum strategy.

[Noraa]

pfft dgb is just scum. I don't really care if we don't even get to talk today. Lets get this scum.

VOTE: DGB

Again I would like to say that they're mechanically Town unless you have logic to counter my own against why DGB's claim is not mechanically Town like I've been saying.

I'm going to wait until I fully catch up before springing something

Every single person has posted. If DGB is town, scum would've lolhammered by now.

So that means one of DGB and Me HAS to be scum. Doesn't matter if she is mech clear honestly. Maybe the setup is just scum sided. Not to mention, the scum team might just be three goons.

[Noraa]

Noraa quick-hammering there as scum is actually a pretty genius play if Noraa was scum there. As Vax/Noraa was the likely scum-team at that time, Noraa hammering there launches them into a LYLO and the read of Vax/Noraa can be abused to make them look Town if they used it right, but they didn't and they're just scum here.

I just realized another problem. If DGB were town RBer, they'd be panicking rn about getting hammered. Yet DGB shows no concern at all.

They're gonna run in and say they've lost all motivation cuz I'm being bitchy or something but no, the normal town reaction is "FUCK IDC WHO YOU ARE BUT PLS UNVOTE CUZ IF UR TOWN, THIS IS GAME OVER"

The reaction to my vote in lylo is simply not correct.

[Noraa]

What if scum have 3 goons/only a gated PR?

When I was designing normal games I was told that an all-goon setup usually needs three moderately strong Town PRs. But what's the tinfoil where you're seeing 3 goons/gated PR?

We have Jacko(1 shot vig)
Flea(fruit vender)
Math(Mason + Tracker + role cop)
Momrangal(Mason + MD)

Thats enough town power imo.

[Infinity 324]

What if scum have 3 goons/only a gated PR?

When I was designing normal games I was told that an all-goon setup usually needs three moderately strong Town PRs. But what's the tinfoil where you're seeing 3 goons/gated PR?

Idk I just really think DGB is scum. I TR everyone else

[JacksonVirgo]

pfft dgb is just scum. I don't really care if we don't even get to talk today. Lets get this scum.

VOTE: DGB

Again I would like to say that they're mechanically Town unless you have logic to counter my own against why DGB's claim is not mechanically Town like I've been saying.

I'm going to wait until I fully catch up before springing something

Every single person has posted. If DGB is town, scum would've lolhammered by now.

So that means one of DGB and Me HAS to be scum. Doesn't matter if she is mech clear honestly. Maybe the setup is just scum sided. Not to mention, the scum team might just be three goons.

You say that if DGB is Town scum would have lolhammered by now, which is LAMIST and then you counter your own argument by saying one of you both has to be scum which contradicts the perspective with the first bit. If you think a mech-clear doesn't matter, you're flailing scum. Either you're scum trying to sacrifice yourself to make your buddy look better for tomorrow or you're flailing hoping one Town makes a mistake vote and your buddy takes advantage of that.

[JacksonVirgo]

Noraa quick-hammering there as scum is actually a pretty genius play if Noraa was scum there. As Vax/Noraa was the likely scum-team at that time, Noraa hammering there launches them into a LYLO and the read of Vax/Noraa can be abused to make them look Town if they used it right, but they didn't and they're just scum here.

I just realized another problem. If DGB were town RBer, they'd be panicking rn about getting hammered. Yet DGB shows no concern at all.

They're gonna run in and say they've lost all motivation cuz I'm being bitchy or something but no, the normal town reaction is "FUCK IDC WHO YOU ARE BUT PLS UNVOTE CUZ IF UR TOWN, THIS IS GAME OVER"

The reaction to my vote in lylo is simply not correct.

This is a reach, there are many reasons why they might not be panicking.

[JacksonVirgo]

What if scum have 3 goons/only a gated PR?

When I was designing normal games I was told that an all-goon setup usually needs three moderately strong Town PRs. But what's the tinfoil where you're seeing 3 goons/gated PR?

We have Jacko(1 shot vig)
Flea(fruit vender)
Math(Mason + Tracker + role cop)
Momrangal(Mason + MD)

Thats enough town power imo.

I'm not a 1-shot. I'm a N1

[Noraa]

Idk I just really think DGB is scum. I TR everyone else

this is basically where I'm at.