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Well, we did but the wait to get here was quite long so ..... *holds up some empty pizza boxes*
VOTE: Pooky

Pedit: TRIS HOW DARE YOU

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I step away for two little minutes and my first post was stolen

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karma

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I'm offended!
*pouts*

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VOTE: tris

Karma for offending me
HA

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VOTE: tris
but im in a hydra so one vote is three votes
ha who's crying now?

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shoo pooky, tris and I are 1v1'ing to the deaths in a fierce battle right now

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noraa u shouldve let murdercatto do the opening

he doesn't have pizza either and im more cute so my openings are better >.<

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If pooky town, he'll locktown me sometime day 1

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let a bear dream

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Redacted By Moderator

thats ongoing........................

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Murder thinks ur scum for not asking for a hero solve.

Also I dont think shadowslug is hectic because they're an alt of fairy princess which is some random other alt made in like 2017 or something...

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So far it has been entirely and completely Noraa and I'll force infinity to sign posts so that will work out.

Are you on crack or scum, pooky?

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1) what power role have you not been that you want to try out, and why?

I want to be a doc because I've never been a doc before

2) If you were scum, who in this game would be your a) D1 miselim push, b) N1 kill, and c) partner you’d want to bus you and go to the end, given each person was the correct alignment for that specific action?

a) gamma emerald
b) Toogeloo
c) mmmm Flea is good scum so Flea

3) What is your skill with mechanic-heavy setups? If you’re not skilled at them, do you intend to get better with practice or rely on others?

I am good at dying in mech heavy setups. yes I wanna get better but it's probably not happening anytime soon.

4) What is your "hit" (aka greatest strength) and "miss" (aka greatest weakness) regarding your GENERAL play?

strength: meta reads
weakness: heavy flailing

5) In games where your player character/characters is/are able to get stronger over time at a steady pace, do you prefer characters whose stats start high but don't improve much, or characters with low starting stats who can grow more to potentially surpass the other set?

the latter

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2a would've been plusjoyed probably but he repped out so I didn't count him.

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Hello hello

1) what power role have you not been that you want to try out, and why?

Vig, getting to murderize my pet scumread n1 sounds sick

2) If you were scum, who in this game would be your a) D1 miselim push, b) N1 kill, and c) partner you’d want to bus you and go to the end, given each person was the correct alignment for that specific action?

a) I've seen toog be mislimmable, but they say they can be obvtown here so idk.
b) Really depends on people's reads
c) Maybe pooky

3) What is your skill with mechanic-heavy setups? If you’re not skilled at them, do you intend to get better with practice or rely on others?

Moderate, I wanna get better

4) What is your "hit" (aka greatest strength) and "miss" (aka greatest weakness) regarding your GENERAL play?

Biggest strength is when I'm on I'm on, I have a good rate of catching scum d1. My biggest weakness is that I can get lost in games and sometimes will push obvtown or do weird stuff when that happens. I can be limbait too

5) In games where your player character/characters is/are able to get stronger over time at a steady pace, do you prefer characters whose stats start high but don't improve much, or characters with low starting stats who can grow more to potentially surpass the other set?

The second one

-Infinity

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My soul mason is here!

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Protective cards should probably be used there if the shot is only usable tomorrow but also how would that work? do you take the card and use it today since it is a day action or do you take the card tonight and use it tomorrow?

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VOTE: pooky

I'm pretty sad about this.

?

By the way, pronouns:

Infinity 324: he/him
Noraa (the unsigned posts): she/her
Murdercat: he/him

-Infinity

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By the way, pronouns:

Infinity 324: he/him
Noraa (the unsigned posts): she/her
Murdercat: he/him

Hydra = more than 1.
More than 1 = they/them
You could take it a step further and use we/us instead of I.

/grin

Or I could make your lives hell and that sounds more fun so you guys have fun addressing each head alone.

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VOTE: Pooky

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Shadow feels towny

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-Infinity

Gamma you jinxed me lol

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Isn't the guide to reading people always to assume they're town
Inside joke that no one here will get but whatever

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I disagree with infinity's TR on shadow.

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lunar's lying about vig and is probably town baiting a kill or a swap or whatever the hell the mechanic is

i really dont want the game to just be setup discussion but not sure how to move the game forward yet

this is scummy. what is a swap? It feels like borderline TMI.
Infinity thinks shadow spews newbtown that wants to move the game forward but doesn't know how to. I disagree because of this post

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Also odd from Gamma. You just said you don't believe my claim. Now you do believe it and think I should be protected? What?

Here’s a tip: one of those posts was manufactured.

Not sure I follow.

Shadow, Noraa, pooky team. GG.

So quick to retract your gamma SR?

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-Infinity

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lol

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Or, there wasn't anything to say so I didn't say anything

-This and previous are infinity, screw you gamma

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There are 2 votes on our slot.

-Infinity

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I agree, it would be odd to be scared silent as scum with only two votes. Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it.

-Infinity

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I mean not really? You v greyice has felt TvT to me so far, and I'm waiting to see how others interact and play around it. (I'm curious about toog's grey vote, I'm sure they'll talk about it at some point). Tris' questioning of gamma felt a bit performative, especially in comparison to shadow's, but it's kind of a weak read and I wanted to see how she would follow up.

-Infinity

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Flashwagoning BBmolla sounds like a fine idea

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Sigh

That's another reason I wanted to wait to post

-Infinity

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About grey, noraa agrees so I'll just say that I thought the push on you made sense and being proactive early is a good sign. I don't really agree that it makes you scum, you could just as easily have made a mistake but I definitely agree that we don't want to say anything about our powers.

-Infinity

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(I'm curious about toog's grey vote, I'm sure they'll talk about it at some point)

Are you serious?

Totally missed 184 sorry, I'm fine with that reasoning

-Infinity

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Tris' questioning of gamma felt a bit performative, especially in comparison to shadow's, but it's kind of a weak read and I wanted to see how she would follow up.

-Infinity

explain? and how did you townread me so quick infinity, i'm not sure i did anything quite so townie yet

The way you were questioning gamma felt like you were trying to get inside his head, whereas the way tris was questioning him (in 154) made it seem like she was trying to appear like she was trying to get in gamma's head I guess. I also thought where you said "I don't want to talk all mechanics but I'm not sure how to move the game forward" was a very newbtown thing to say

-Infinity

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Feeling better about Pizza and pooky being Mafia. Not sure about Shadow.

What made you change your read on gamma

-Infinity

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Pooky what is with you

-Infinity

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a swap is not a mafia term that I am aware exists and anything strange sounding has a 50-50 chance of being scum TMI

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Pooky/shadowslug/BBmolla

game solved.
I can post useless herosolves on day 1 too.

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VOTE: GreyICE

not against a pizza lim tho

why did you only just make this vote now/why is greyice scum for his push on you?

i wanted to explore a grey wagon more than a pizza wagon

he continues to evade any sort of reasons for his pooky vote because he has none

Hm maybe this is town then.

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Is pooky scum, BBmolla?

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Nevermind you can be scum then.

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Pooky/BB/____

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I mean it's not, I just got townvibes from both sides

-Infinity

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Also odd from Gamma. You just said you don't believe my claim. Now you do believe it and think I should be protected? What?

This seemed to imply a scumread, and I'm not convinced the answer he gave sufficed for you, especially since you didn't understand it

-Infinity

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Meh ok

-Infinity

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in what ways did my questioning give off that impression?

Just the wording I guess? The way you said it made it feel like you were trying to show how confused you were. I'm not sure how else to describe it, or really what you were hoping to accomplish with this question

-Infinity

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i thought noraa was supposed to be more of a presence.

there's a reason why my main account is going to be on hiatus after tm ends

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I'll be really bummed out if pooky thinks im scum and is town tbh.

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Is GreyICE a flavorleaf alt or something

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So, mystery hydra, what's your deal? You've got the most posts in thread by a mile, but calling them disorganized would be an insult to disorganized. You chat in your hydra QT?

Yeah, uh, we're still working things out obviously. I've been trying to get noraa to talk to me before she posts a read I disagree with, and I'm not the most experienced hydra user either, I expect we'll make more sense as the game goes on.

-Infinity

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Uh... probably.

So, mystery hydra, what's your deal? You've got the most posts in thread by a mile, but calling them disorganized would be an insult to disorganized. You chat in your hydra QT?

Huh... actually, I kinda like your votes and your posts on analysis, and hell you're posting which is more than I can say about SOME PLAYERS. Although I'm thinking maybe Flea and LLD have reasons.

Thats a bit insulting. we are the most organized bears in town.

my analysis is amazing
I've caught scum and you can sheep me
the council decided pookys fate

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why do you keep flipping ur reads around tris?

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me sleepy. goodnightsies.

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cause i barely have any

mood

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GreyICE is better than FL...at...scum

aaa I'm scared

-Infinity

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W/e if mastina's sheeping LLD I can too

-Infinity

PEdit: exactly

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I hope you're doing ok gamma

Fwiw I think RQS is underrated, it can have its applications

-Infinity

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Woah. No.

VOTE: Flea

Pooky can wait. He won't die day 1 as scum anyways.
Theres a lot wrong with Flea's vibe here.

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@tris
Pooky isnt this bad.

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lunar martian clearly a liability with a dayvig shot even if he is town

This post particularly looks bad. Flareon agrees with me therefore this is a fact.

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all this pack discussion is a waste of time and a distraction

lets just kill bad guys

Murdercatto told me pooky likes mech
and now we back to
VOTE: Pooky

tris be patient.

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Nope not having it. Murder and infinity are gonna yell at me for constantly not consulting them when I go change the vote but nah this isnt town flea. This is scum flea who doesn't have unicorns, rainbows, or sammiches that's making excuses for why none of that is there. Nuh uh.

VOTE: Flea

when was our pooky TR not clear? We think he's scum because he's obsessed with mech but is telling people to disregard mech here. He has had multiple horribly scummy posts and he's not having fun.

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Nornor... I haven't made any excuses.... I'm literally just self-analysing.

my "excuse" is I'm on a sitewide V/LA rn because I'm in the midst of a huge ass pain flare and my [cw EMET]

body is rejecting my painkillers and stomach medication

which is always amazing -.-;

UNVOTE:
I hope you aren't playing with my heart like this if scum but I'll just take the L

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Ok ok

I asked noraa to consult with the discord before voting because this is getting ridiculous. That said, we got some thoughts from murder and here is a rough collective readslist:

{mastina}
{gamma, grey, LLD, shadow, lunar}
{tris, toog, flea, NM}
{molla}
{pooky}

All 3 of us felt good about mastina's entrance. Murder says he's seen gamma do RQS before as town, and I'm getting townvibes from him so far. Murder agrees with my TR on shadow. He said he didn't like toog's vote, he didn't explain why but I've liked toog so far. Murder and noraa both like lunar, murder for the dayvig claim. I'm not so sure. Murder thinks NM is towny for 324 and noraa thought it was scummy, personally I have no idea how anyone sorts NM but yeah. I still am getting vague scumpings from tris but not much I can articulate, murder is leaning town there though. Murder didn't like 202, I'm not sure why, but he's scumreading molla. I got some townvibes early but they're kind of weak. Murder and noraa are SRing pooky for reasons mentioned above, also murder has ongoing game reasons. I'm not so sure and I don't think I can read pooky. Some of how he was pushing us felt like scum!pooky aggression, but I also felt that way for part of silent star 3 when he was town.

VOTE: pooky

-Infinity

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I need to prodge for now. My heads aren't replying to me and I promised I'd discuss with them and talk things through before saying them in the thread.

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Ok I won't be voting without my whole hydra agreeing because the other heads have expressed dissatisfaction with it but my top SRs are currently BBmolla and Toog.
BBmolla is a scumassfuck but for some reason infinity doesn't agree with me on it. His tone is just horrible.
Toog has never done this much on day 1 before. And all these TRs being given out feel hella unnatural.

I'd be willing to flash wagon both asap if the other heads agree. Infinity doesn't agree with BB SR. Murder doesn't agree with Toog SR. I forgot what infinity said about Toog.

Flea moved up.
Lunar moved down. Other heads don't agree but I think Lunar's being really weird.
Hydra agrees on a tris scum read for her reads that keep changing for no reason.
Uh and yeah this was three days worth of content don't prod me until three days later :3

I'm all alone no one agrees with my SRs life is good >.<

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Murder agrees with me but infinity isnt convinced.

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I thought the way he was nonchalant about greyice's push looked towny, and he generally hasn't looked like he's filtering himself. You asked earlier about mastina, and my read there isn't really a meta read, although it is impacted a bit by mastina saying she struggles with energy as scum. The read is mostly vibes and feeling a towny energy from her first few posts.

-Infinity

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Ooooo yay hi clidd!

Are you blind?

not meant offensively but there are reasons.

shit wrong account

fuck

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*hands clidd a pair of sparkly purple glasses*
you didnt look close enough.

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BBmolla is probably town too.

No.
Also Pooky is scum but because of his charming nature, he's not gonna die day 1 and that's stupid.

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Molla you were just on about how no one has given reasoning for voting pooky but has literally anyone explained why they're voting us

-Infinity

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That's a start at least, what about it didn't make sense

-Infinity

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Nora didn't give me any impression of being town and that is extraordinarily worrying.

I never push pooky day 1 as scum. that's such a shitty move to pull when I know very clearly that pooky never dies day 1 literally regardless of his alignment. He can do nothing and live on anyways. Tunneling myself there is one of the stupidest choices scum could make.

You don't have high accuracy reading me btw. I have many alts.

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like murdercatto and noraa are two of the most POSTHAPPY town players in mafia scum history

you think they take a backseat to infinity if this a town hydra?

You realize Murder literally complained to us about how he wanted to roll scum when we got the roll pm right?

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Lol, we're hydra'ing for a reason

-Infinity

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Pooky is scum here. My page one play is NAI in every single way but pooky calls it scum and proceeds to push it. Pooky has not one single reason behind his read on me and I know that town pooky is better than this. I've tried to engage him but all he's done is be cagey as hell and continue to provide no reasons. If not for the fact that pooky is my friendo bear, I would've been tunneling the shit out of him by now. Pooky can fight and I've seen him fight before. I saw him duel people to their deaths in legends and pull out his persuasive skills in death curse. He is a good town player and this is not it. I wavered on my SR many times worrying about if it would get discredited and make pooky a deeper deep wolf due to me mentioning the read too early. I wanted to shelve it but I also wanted to 1v1. I couldn't decide and now here we are in the middle of no mans land doing some weird shit. I don't care about anything else and I don't know who the other scum are because everyone looks scummy as fuck but pooky is scum here and he's literally not gonna die anytime soon. I'm willing to compromise on tris because that's the only other SR we agree on but pooky is still scum one hundred and twenty percent sure.

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ok what did you think my goal was when I pushed noraa on d1 lol

to kill me. duh.

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No, you're scum here.

you have nothing but meta arguments and they are wrong.

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Sorry, but you got caught.

this is not how I get caught as scum ever.

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clidd is hilariously confident town that's helping scum. Meta'ing me is perhaps the worst way to ever read me.

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ok what did you think my goal was when I pushed noraa on d1 lol

to kill me. duh.

lol no I wanted to locktown you so i could sheep murdercatto lol

nah. town you wouldn't do that because he would've learned his lesson from Legends.

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Clidd this doesn't feel like depth/consideration I've seen you have as town?

-Infinity

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Pushing me on day 1 to sort me got me killed last time you did it. You wouldn't do it again if town. This is such obvious scum that I'm having a hard time figuring out if I'm giving clidd a free townpass.

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Scumcase away.

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I DIDNT EVEN VOTE FOR YOU IN LEGENDS OF THE HIDDEN TEMPLE R U SERIOUS

so what? you got me killed by challenging my team which is presumably your whole weird shit about "I'll locktown you when ur under pressure"

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Your reaction seems like FL when I caught scum!him in our last game (Infinity).

Flavorleaf is a mafia baby compared to Infinity.

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Clidd, I could be biased because I know our alignment, but I don't see how you'd be this sure as town. There's surface level reasoning like our reads our ping-ponging, which is like, yeah we're a 3-headed hydra with noraa. It's hard to keep our reads straight but there's always a reason behind it. I also don't know see how you think I'm so good as town, I had pretty bad reads in names on the list.

-Infinity

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like you saying "pooky wouldn't pressure me as town cuz last time pooky!town pressured me I died" makes 0 sense because the in the example your are citing, my pressure of you ended up crushing the scumteam in Legends :3

that's not a valid point.
"Noraa died so we won the last game we were in" is not a valid reason to try to make me die in every game because logic doesn't work that way

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Clidd, I could be biased because I know our alignment, but I don't see how you'd be this sure as town. There's surface level reasoning like our reads our ping-ponging, which is like, yeah we're a 3-headed hydra with noraa. It's hard to keep our reads straight but there's always a reason behind it. I also don't know see how you think I'm so good as town, I had pretty bad reads in names on the list.

-Infinity

its not that you have bad reads infinity

its that i have a hard time believing murdercat/noraa decide to defer to you if you are holding a green alignment

because noraa/murdercat have a hard time keeping their mouths shut when they r townside lol

your one reason to SR us is literally "they aren't spamming up a dead game"
upgrade ur scum game pooky.

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Ok, more votes on Pizza.

Wheres the scum case?

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VOTE: Clidd
you're going to give us a scum case.

we can sign to show seriousness
-Noraa

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I'm on mobile rn.

huh the pedit didnt show up

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So your plan is to 1v1 me today?

No. I want a case and Infinity is spewing to me about how scummy you are.

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So your plan is to 1v1 me today?

No. I want a case and Infinity is spewing to me about how scummy you are.

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Ok I will take a break for a bit

-Infinity

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would strongly recommend taking a step back pizza, not a fair treatment of pooky's point imo

get you're frustrated but need to slow it down

Are you trying to say all three of us are town?

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would strongly recommend taking a step back pizza, not a fair treatment of pooky's point imo

get you're frustrated but need to slow it down

Are you trying to say all three of us are town?

If yes, you're delusional and probably scum too for buddying me.

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Everyone is scum, yeah.

I have a lot of SRs yeah. what's your point.

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wouldn't surprise me either way

think that you were unfair to pooky's point and it's better to slow down and calmly address it over treating it like obvious garbage b/c you're in fact town

you got my unsolicited advice & 2 cents, already stuck around too long today, going to dip, cya tomorrow

What? You can't possibly think that.

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Everyone is scum, yeah.

I have a lot of SRs yeah. what's your point.

Nothing, except that you're trying to project the thing of Nora's towngame about having a lot of scumreads.

Dont meta me if you can't figure out how to. Come back when you have a case thnx

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I still don't buy the "Clidd wouldn't be that confident here".

I find your confidence dumb but I could see it coming from town.

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I've already told you that you have misread me before but I'm not willing to out alts for this so you'll just be left hanging on that.

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You can offend if you want my technical level as a player, but it will not change my view of you.

I have no interest in changing your view. Just trying to read you.

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do u really think pooky!scum would let his clidd!scum buddy do the heavy lifting on a noraa!townelim

You're scum. Clidd's not.

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I'm not explaining anymore. Been patient enough already.

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But these posts look ridiculously bad in response to the push, to the point that I think it would be suicide for scum!Pizza to react that way.

The ''ok, you're scum but you can be town; no, wait, Pooky is scum and you're town but I'm voting you; stop trying to buddy'' is not rational if scum!Pizza wants to repel the push.

I still find the defensive way the slot behaved scummy, just as the three players who have operated together, but I am not so convinced that it is 100% scum. Maybe town playing scummy, but I probably need to think more about it.

Why are you backtracking? You say we're scum for not being organized then you say we're too messy to be scum. wtf.

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do u really think pooky!scum would let his clidd!scum buddy do the heavy lifting on a noraa!townelim

You're scum. Clidd's not.

I mean, what's the point here?

Scum!Pizza needs to push me, not Pooky. I'm the one hardpushing rn, not Pooky.

Damn. You're scum with pooky. I was blind to not see what infinity saw yesterday.

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Lunar Martian was scum after all.

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Tris isn't scum then most likely.
Pooky/Clidd/___

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Dont threaten me. You're just gassing me up at this point.

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You need to differentiate between scuminess and playstyle.

Who are you talking to?

The pizza slot is obviously frustrated, and the embodiment of everything that is wrong with hydra slots. I still don't know I would call it scum with confidence.

Dont buddy me.

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You're the one with the black and white prfpc.

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I think I was a bit too quick to call clidd scum last night, I still feel like he's not as thoughtful as he can be as town but I don't really have enough of a sample yo properly judge, and people can play differently as town.

Clidd what's your read on gamma? I feel like you might have some interesting thoughts there

NPOM have you read up and do you have thoughts? What do you think about clidd

-Infinity

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scum is just clidd/Pooky/Gamma.
Gamma hasn't locktowned me yet which I think is because he doesn't want to stall my wagon.

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Toog is still scummy so that's the backup scum.
Tris too but she got replaced and idk how to read willow

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I think willow deserves more scrutiny.

ok, specifics?

Have you been lurking?

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In that game, not voting is not enough because challenging is entirely your fault.

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barely gets miselim'd as town

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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I like NPOM for town actually, the way he expressed the SR on willow felt genuine, like he tried to explain it but realized it was just gut. That happens to me a lot as town

I'll let noraa try to explain the pooky SR

-Infinity

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@pooky Not really, I was ok with voting you since murder and noraa agreed.

-Infinity

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So your plan is to 1v1 me today?

No. I want a case and Infinity is spewing to me about how scummy you are.

was infinity really ranting in the discord about how scummy clidd was or does spewing have a different definition here

Spewing was kind of an exaggeration, but I was pretty sure of the read and was trying to get noraa to see it too. Not everything is resolved, but I think I needed to take a step back and reconsider at least.

-Infinity

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@shadow Sometimes I like to come off less confident that I am in order to get a certain reaction--in this case, I felt that clidd was more likely to devote more time to his response as town if I came off as less certain, which would help me see that he's town. I thought it was unlikely, but it was worth doing regardless.

Pooky, I basically said that I felt clidd was showing the mindset of someone who doesn't want to put in the effort to fake their towngame but is instead just giving surface-level points. From the game I played with clidd and the meta I've seen of his, he has a very thoughtful and nuanced towngame, and it can often burn him out as town--as scum I expected him to get burnt out even more easily. It looked like he was trying to pick on an easy target instead of considering our alignment. He was pointing out things like the ping-ponging of the read on you, which makes sense if you look closely enough, especially given that we're a hydra with noraa. I also felt like he'd be devoting more time to explaining the SR on us if it was genuine. One of the reasons I felt like I had to reconsider was that in the game I played with clidd, I SR'ed gimli for a similar reason and was wrong. My meta reasons for SRing clidd also aren't as airtight as I thought in the moment.

-Infinity

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Thanks for the explanation, I can better see how you came to the SR at least. I do think all of us have a bit less motivation atm, murder is busy and me and noraa are a bit burnt out on mafia in general I think. I'd like to know your thoughts on other slots in a bit more depth (but maybe not this much) when you get the chance.

-Infinity

PEdit: yeah I'll talk to murder and noraa about pooky too. I thought the post where he asked me to expand about the reasons I gave in the discord was a bit towny, but I do think a demotivated scum-pooky could resort to aggression, since that comes naturally to him I think.

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Kinda my point

-Infinity

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I mean, you're pretty clearly demotivated regardless of alignment

-Infinity

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Pretty sure noraa is a lot better at scum than me

-Infinity

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Pretty sure noraa is a lot better at scum than me

-Infinity

Disagree. Nora HATES rolling scum

She's still really good at it

-Infinity

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Damnit why does everything blow up at the same time.

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This stupid discussion about what I like alignment wise is stupid as hell.

Pooky who are you calling flat, you flat bear? I'm not turbo driving your lim. I don't have the energy and you don't die day 1 ever anyways.

Shadow slug can die now. His lurking is stupid as hell and he's so damn sideline-y. He pops in and asks the stupidest questions that don't even make any sense. Like wtf do you mean "Why does Noraa fucking TR tris" Where did I TR tris? He can die now today asap.

This is scum that I'm actually capable of killing day 1 because he's not pooky and he's literally open wolfing everywhere.

Flea is the most obvious town here. The unicorns and rainbows are back. Flea is turbo defending me. Locktown.

Mastina left me out of her reads list
minus town points.

Klick back the fuck off Flea. That vote was disgusting and deserves a flashwagon.

Toog locktown.

To do list Feb 18: Flashwagon Klick

REadslist
Town: Noraa, Murder, Infinity, Toog, Flea

Null: clidd, gamma, willow, mastina, NPOM

Scum: shadow slug, tris

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I'm going to get my voting perms back. We're flashwagoning Klick today. Period.

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VOTE: Klick

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Murder hasn't replied still. Infinity is fine with Klick.

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By majority 2-0, Klick dies today

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932 was super scummy, but I'll pretend I didn't see that post since I don't want to eliminate pizza today and I think she's a slot with potential.

this is possibly the stupidest post I've ever seen but whatever I don't care if you think I'm scummy I think ur scum anyways.

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Nvm lets flashwagon BBmolla. Back to go get perms.

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Are you trying to act erratically scummy to make me think you are emotionally town by wifom?

Because this is something toxic.

That is not how scum me works.

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I am acting in good faith and you aren't being reciprocal. Your anger is illogical in time, considering that our discussion already passed.

But meh, I won't vote you today anyways.

I'm not angry at you. I think you're scum.

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this is possibly the stupidest post I've ever seen

This is anger to me ^

It doesn't make sense to me but it is not anger.

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We can lim pooky, clidd, slug, or klick today. That pool of four probably has all three scum or at least two.

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Murder gave us some thoughts on the discord and the end of d1 that I wasn't able to get in before the hammer, I'll try to give the most relevant ones now

He's pinged by 419, he says he doesn't have that good of a history reading pooky

He wants to know if he's played with willow before, he feels good about the slot though

In response to 642 he says that he'd be posting more as scum to appear active

He likes 657 though

In response to 776 he says that he wanted to get noraa's perspective on playing scum.

And more from n1 (knowing klick flips town):

He thinks 875 looks bad if pooky flips scum, but 882 looks like town!toog. But he thinks 923 and 924 look sus after toog was looking to compromise.

He doesn't like 957.

Not sure why, but he really likes 1025 and it makes him sure shadow is town.

I don't feel like I can get a lot of great info out of a deadline quickwagon. I guess it makes pooky/NPOM a bit more likely to be scum, because scum are motivated to hop on, but that's kind of weak. My PoE is {NM, pooky, flea} which is just people I can't read, so I know something's wrong. Probably gonna spend this day re-evaluating my townleans (gamma, NPOM, molla, willow, toog) by talking to murder/noraa and interacting with people.

VOTE: pooky

-Infinity

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VOTE: Pizza

Scum on the wagon

Expand on this?

A lot of the Klick wagon seems town, I don't think that there were 7 town on it though

Pizza sticks out like a sore thumb amongst the townish crowd

They're the scum on the wagon

Ok but do you have actual reasons to SR us or is this just gambler's fallacy nonsense

-Infinity

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"The gambler's fallacy is the erroneous belief that if a particular event occurs more frequently than normal during the past it is less likely to happen in the future (or vice versa), when it has otherwise been established that the probability of such events does not depend on what has happened in the past"

In this case, the event is a player on the klick wagon being town

There's nothing that says there has to be scum on an elim wagon, there just usually is because of probability

-Infinity

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I'm arguing that in a game where 7/12 are voting a player (minus the player himself in this equation), and 3 of those 12 are scum, mathematically it's unlikely that all 3 scum are not on the wagon.

I agree, but having townreads on some players on the wagon decreases the chance that scum is on the wagon, so it shouldn't affect your reads on other people on the wagon.

Can you go into your TRs on the wagon?

-Infinity

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It depends who gets to E-1 first

Right, so we should be announcing and claiming on E-2

-Infinity

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Can you go into your TRs on the wagon?

-Infinity

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Not sure why, but he really likes 1025 and it makes him sure shadow is town.

Murder explained that this post shows towny perceptiveness. Also, if NPOM is scum, a buddy wouldn't call this out so explicitly, while if NPOM is town, scum would want to keep the mislim option open and therefore wouldn't point it out. Wasn't super convincing to me, but I agree shadow is town so w/e

He also says the chances of an (I assume 7-player) all-town elim wagon are like 8% which is higher than what flea said, I wonder how often it happens in practice.

He also says he's willing to help with python!

-Infinity

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Stop avoiding the question, why is pizza scum?

im not avoiding

their pooky vote

their me votes

their disingenuous gameplay

it's just a bunch of calculated garbage

isn't nora supposed to be obv town by now

This felt to me a bit like scum who can't explain the reasons for a read, murder agrees

Though I'm still worried about being biased by OMGUS so I'd like others' thoughts

(Except mastina I know you're going to agree)

-Infinity

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Agreed wrt mastina; her reaction to the possible guilty was very town

-Infinity

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Everyone that is alive tell us if we could dayvig someone who we should dayvig. I'm boutta blast out these guns.

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VOTE: flea

I know this was a while ago, but this unannounced E-1 was awful.

We didn't get passed a doctor.

-Infinity

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Hey Pizza, did you get passed a doctor?

No

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Clidd also thought us vs. pooky was TvS

-Infinity

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I want to dayvig pooky.

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I don't have exactly a dayvig but my ability will take about the elimination that town has.

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*Away

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I think Mathblade is scum with pooky

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The moment I said I had a dayvig math blade started buddying me.

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Thats exactly why I said I had a dayvig when I don't have exactly a dayvig.

And then he tells me I shouldn't dayvig scum pooky.

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wtf? that's rude.

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Do you think y=mx+b is scum?

x and y are scum and x and y are pooky and mathblade

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If I am scum and Pooky is scum what’s the cause of the no death overnight?

at least one of you is scum then. I don't believe both are town. Two protectives in one night is weird as shit. The roles that I have gotten so far have almost all just been vanilla town roles. I don't get where the fuck so many prs are coming from.

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However IF I am wrong on NPOM (I don’t think I am) then you + Pooky + BBMolla makes sense for wanting to cut day short

Bruh the only reason I haven't already activated it is because I'm fucking waiting for people to react to it.

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I am using this ability today regardless of what anyone says because we'll be dead by tomorrow almost for sure.

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The most likely answer is that Mastina either did the kill or was saved from a nightkill.

Yeah I agree with this and mastina is just town here so she was saved.

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Math why aren't you pushing pooky here? You were pushing him before when toog claimed the inno, normally I'd expect you to be more confident in your pooky read when toog retracted the claim.

Toog's reaction test feels towny fwiw. I still wanna elim pooky but I can compromise on NPOM who noraa SRs and I don't particularly TR.

-Infinity

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I guess that makes sense, but I wouldn't expect scum to randomly lie about receiving an invention. I'm not really interested in the invention part as much as I think it's scummy for pooky to put flea at E-1 unannounced after I specifically said we should announce and wait for a claim at E-2.

-Infinity

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NPOM is it the power you used last night? I don't see how that makes you town at all, the rest of your pack could've been vanilla

-Infinity

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unwnd, uh, do you think scum no killed? What is your explanation for the no kill because I'm not seeing it

-Infinity

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unwnd didn't you TR us earlier? Intent to E-1 there

I'm down to flashwagon molla too tbh, it really feels like he's scum who doesn't have anything to push us on

-Infinity

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Ok, you said you weren't too happy about the gamestate with us as one of the top wagons. Fair I guess.

Why do you think there's 1-2 scum in math/mastina/pooky?

-Infinity

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Because there is far too great of a convience between the 3

What does this mean?

-Infinity

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have you two noticed that pizza pizza has stopped pretending to even be playing this game?

*looks at page* I wonder why

We are not going to gladiate

VOTE: bbmolla can we do this? Unwnd isn't playing with an agenda

-Infinity

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Mastina is town, I TR toog and math pretty strongly as well

Pooky is scum, I think molla is scum as well

I TRed shadow but I'm pinged by VFP a decent amount, last scum is either than or nm

It feels a bit too easy but I don't really think it makes sense any other way, math is playing to his town meta and the push on unwnd is pretty bad but it looks like he believes it

It baffles me how long molla and pooky have survived

-Infinity