Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

Andresvmb · Post Post #2600 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:05 pm

In post 2598, VP Baltar wrote:You were on the midway wagon....

You are not fucking serious.

RLotus · Post Post #2601 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:05 pm

In post 2595, Andresvmb wrote:I don't like RLotus' entrance today. I had RLotus as solid Town. I am beginning to waver on that a bit. Out of VPB and Datisi, VPB feels far more likely to strike Scum to me. So the overconfidence on Datisi does not look good.

I think you've got it backwards my friend

Andresvmb · Post Post #2602 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:06 pm

In post 2597, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2595, Andresvmb wrote:Dunn is always Town. Dunn should literally never get executed here. DGB I would move up as solid Town.
I still don't understand these too outside you thinking I have to be scum.

If I flip town, does that change your perspective on those slots?

No. Dunn is literally always Town here. The likelihood that DGB is Scum is quite low at this point actually.

Andresvmb · Post Post #2603 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:06 pm

In post 2601, RLotus wrote:
In post 2595, Andresvmb wrote:I don't like RLotus' entrance today. I had RLotus as solid Town. I am beginning to waver on that a bit. Out of VPB and Datisi, VPB feels far more likely to strike Scum to me. So the overconfidence on Datisi does not look good.
I think you've got it backwards my friend

No I really don't think so.

RLotus · Post Post #2604 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:09 pm

Furthermore, VPB and Datisi are the constants on the two miselims, so it should be pretty clear why that's where we should look.

Also, I've stated this several times, but the relationship between VPB and Datisi has been strange. It doesn't seem natural that they wouldn't once waver on town reading each other or have even the slighest suspicion. I really think at least one of them has knowledge of the other's alignment.

VP Baltar · Post Post #2605 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:10 pm

In post 2599, RLotus wrote:Says he is not interested in voting on the Italiano wagon, suddenly when VPB shifts attention to midway, so does Datisi, for a very airy reason. He also suddenly began calling Dunn town after VPB backed down from him.

Essentially, he has no conviction behind his pushes, but rather is riding town's (namely VPB's) wave.

This is the particular bit I was rereading and freaking out that I have been getting taken for a ride.

GC, can you give us your thoughts on Datisi since you have had much more candid interaction?

Andresvmb · Post Post #2606 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:12 pm

In post 2605, VP Baltar wrote:This is the particular bit I was rereading and freaking out that I have been getting taken for a ride.

Ah now this comes up? I thought Datisi was your lockTown. What happened?

VP Baltar · Post Post #2607 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:13 pm

In post 2606, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2605, VP Baltar wrote:This is the particular bit I was rereading and freaking out that I have been getting taken for a ride.
Ah now this comes up? I thought Datisi was your lockTown. What happened?

Midway flipped town

Andresvmb · Post Post #2608 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:13 pm

In post 2607, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2606, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2605, VP Baltar wrote:This is the particular bit I was rereading and freaking out that I have been getting taken for a ride.
Ah now this comes up? I thought Datisi was your lockTown. What happened?
Midway flipped town

You pushed that execution really hard. Or you forget that?

Andresvmb · Post Post #2609 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:15 pm

In post 2476, VP Baltar wrote:Andres, why is midway town?

This is Scum. I'm sorry. Nobody is going to convince me otherwise.

VP Baltar · Post Post #2610 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:16 pm

In post 2608, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2607, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2606, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2605, VP Baltar wrote:This is the particular bit I was rereading and freaking out that I have been getting taken for a ride.
Ah now this comes up? I thought Datisi was your lockTown. What happened?
Midway flipped town
You pushed that execution really hard. Or you forget that?

Did I say I did not? I'm not going to not follow my instincts just because I might be wrong.

I mean, you're wrong about me and if I have to go today, you'll see that. Would that make you feel bad about yeeting me? I doubt it.

RLotus · Post Post #2611 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:18 pm

My initial theory like at the end of day 1 was that VPB/Datisi/BM were masons, due to the fact that it seemed VPB/Datisi seemed to be ignoring BM and vice versa. Now that I'm seeing Datisi as scum, I think that is a sign that Datisi/Momrangal are partners.

Other than that, I think Andre, VPB, and GC are town. DGB townish. Dunn I don't have a strong read either way, but I'm inclined to say Datisi and Dunn aren't partners due to that wagon at the beginning of day 2. So, that leaves Maxwell. Actually, Andre would make sense as a Datisi partner given his current behavior, but he seemed really damn town yesterday, so I dunno.

Andresvmb · Post Post #2612 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:19 pm

In post 2610, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2608, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2607, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2606, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2605, VP Baltar wrote:This is the particular bit I was rereading and freaking out that I have been getting taken for a ride.
Ah now this comes up? I thought Datisi was your lockTown. What happened?
Midway flipped town
You pushed that execution really hard. Or you forget that?
Did I say I did not? I'm not going to not follow my instincts just because I might be wrong.

I mean, you're wrong about me and if I have to go today, you'll see that. Would that make you feel bad about yeeting me? I doubt it.

It has nothing to do with feelings. You have consistently pushed Town to the side, made bad arguments, and helped execute Town. You voted for RTP, only to backtrack after it became obvious, you diminished Cookie Monster's claim, you voted for Italiano, and you railroaded midway. Outside of the horrific arguments you made against me yesterday, there is simply no universe where I ever trust you this game.

Andresvmb · Post Post #2613 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:19 pm

In post 2611, RLotus wrote:Actually, Andre would make sense as a Datisi partner given his current behavior, but he seemed really damn town yesterday, so I dunno.

You are not this bad.

RLotus · Post Post #2614 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:20 pm

VOTE: Datisi

RLotus · Post Post #2615 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:24 pm

In post 2613, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2611, RLotus wrote:Actually, Andre would make sense as a Datisi partner given his current behavior, but he seemed really damn town yesterday, so I dunno.
You are not this bad.

Why should you be eliminated as possible partners with Datisi?

I think you are town still, largely because our thought processes are lining up almost precisely besides the fact that we are scum reading a different person in the Datisi/VPB dichotomy. But if one of maxwell or Momrangal flip town, I'm not certain where to look.

VP Baltar · Post Post #2616 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:24 pm

Andres, were you with me in that game where I had that multiday fight with Taylor and I was pushed by scum as miselim bait after that?

Andresvmb · Post Post #2617 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:27 pm

In post 2616, VP Baltar wrote:Andres, were you with me in that game where I had that multiday fight with Taylor and I was pushed by scum as miselim bait after that?

I don't recall, but it does not matter. The way the game has developed means that you need to be executed. I am not going to get into some long-winded argument about it anymore.

Andresvmb · Post Post #2618 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:28 pm

In post 2615, RLotus wrote:Why should you be eliminated as possible partners with Datisi?

I am so obviously Town at this point it's frankly horrifying to me that you would, pre-flip, slot me as a potential Scum with the player that you are voting.

Andresvmb · Post Post #2619 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:30 pm

Who, btw, is far more likely to be Town than the other player in the obvious pairing that contains Scum.

Andresvmb · Post Post #2620 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:31 pm

@DGB, @Green Crayons if you are Town, I really do expect that you'll pay some attention to what I am saying.

VP Baltar · Post Post #2621 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:32 pm

In post 2617, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2616, VP Baltar wrote:Andres, were you with me in that game where I had that multiday fight with Taylor and I was pushed by scum as miselim bait after that?
I don't recall, but it does not matter. The way the game has developed means that you need to be executed. I am not going to get into some long-winded argument about it anymore.

I'm not trying to get into a long winded argument with you.

Look, I get it from your perspective. I don't quite agree with some of your characterizations of my play, but I'd be suspicious in your shoes. I really thought midway had to be the on-wagon scum, and I was totally going to rub your face in it today. Shoe is on the other foot now.

I guess what I'm saying is I will passionately argue about a point I believe in, and if I'm wrong I'm willing to pay those consequences. I'm not scum here though, so you should have a good alternative vision of the game if it is me today.

Andresvmb · Post Post #2622 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:34 pm

In post 2600, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2598, VP Baltar wrote:You were on the midway wagon....
You are not fucking serious.

Like this is the Scummiest retort to an argument I have ever seen. No consideration at all for the many hours I spent trying to derail that wagon, defending midway who was not making it easy with some bad logic. Going in detail through why I thought the game state pointed to midway Town, and that we should listen to RTP. But no, because I voted there out of exasperation, my points are diminished? Nah, I don't have the patience clearly to withstand obvious bullshit. Like enough is enough already.

RLotus · Post Post #2623 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:35 pm

In post 2618, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2615, RLotus wrote:Why should you be eliminated as possible partners with Datisi?
I am so obviously Town at this point it's frankly horrifying to me that you would, pre-flip, slot me as a potential Scum with the player that you are voting.

Yeah so am I, yet you said I'm potential scum for not agreeing with your tunnel on VPB. Whom, btw, there is absolutely no shot you pair me with VPB as scumpartners after that dogfight on day 1.

Pairing you with Datisi is a far more rational thing to consider.

Andresvmb · Post Post #2624 (ISO) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:36 pm

In post 2621, VP Baltar wrote:Look, I get it from your perspective. I don't quite agree with some of your characterizations of my play, but I'd be suspicious in your shoes. I really thought midway had to be the on-wagon scum, and I was totally going to rub your face in it today. Shoe is on the other foot now.

I am not trying to rub anything in your face. I don't believe you are Town. It's pretty simple.