Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[Dunnstral]

I'm saying this more for Pyro's benefit, honestly! I don't want him to get scumread in the game I really, really think he's town.

I'm listening to you

[clidd]

Sara is e-2. Me, Dunn and Pyro voting.

Can you please unvote for now? Or someone? Thanks, I don’t want to rush this.

VOTE: KidAmn

Associatives with Gamma are through the roof but

STILL DON’T WANT To RUSH THIS.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Of course @Dunn, you should also take into account the context of that Gamma claim. Iirc. it happened on D2, so Gamma might have just claimed that for survival reasons since that’s when I initially pushed him for the claim.

But they still wouldn't know to claim even-night unless that was just a coincidence

UNVOTE:

True but even if it is Sarah, who is her buddy then? PB is spewed town by VCA and Pyro says he doesn’t think Sarah and Clidd are SvS, so who is Sarah’s buddy if not KidAmn?

Pyro says he doesn’t want to try to figure this out now but why not? Why not try to figure out who the last two scum are whether or not Sarah is one?

[Dunnstral]

True but even if it is Sarah, who is her buddy then?

I don't know, I don't really have a second scumread so I should look into things more today

I agree that there is at least 1 scum in the vt claims here

Starcrossed can't be scum
Tweetie can't be bus driver on account of her role being confirmable, and is also probably town
Fey is likely town by role and play

So that is who we shouldn't elim for sure IMO

And then:

Pyro - I thought he's been townie and I'm sure fey is better at reading him than I am and she says town for sure so I'll respect that
Kidamn - I don't get how they'd fit in what seems like the perfect claim as scum on day 2 - am I missing something

Pink Ball - He's felt towny and people brought up gamma and the replace out
Clidd - Was getting pushed by scum and is being pushed by sarahara now

Sarahara - People have pointed out that her reads changed in a weird way (which could have been a mason tell so I initially ignored), and the poe is shrinking so this feels likely scum unless I'm missing something big

[clidd]

If Sara was town, she would treat my fos on her differently and interpret my interaction with Sherlock with more evaluative impartiality.

[Pink Ball]

Pb, I recognize that I have had a very poor performance here, to the point of looking scummy. It was not purposeful, although my alternative approach was conscious. I will use the experience to evolve and learn from my mistakes post-game.

If you don't get eliminated and catch the remaining scum no one will remember your first pushes!

[Titus]

Blood for the blood god!

[Nancy Drew 39]

Toogeloo

Spoiler:

When was the last time you saw Toogeloo at the top of a readslist? When I read Toog's post, I feel like he is not just speaking from his heart, he's speaking from mine.

Toog isn't just town. He is the visionary thought leader we need. He's constantly down on himself, he's always doubting his reads and engagement, but his reads and play in the last booney game were actually excellent, the one thing he lacked really was conviction and hope.

What's also nice is, I think I can put Toog at the top of this readlist, and that will not change whether Titus kills him or not.

Well I for one believe in Toog. Look at that heart in the image I selected for him. Look at that cute dress. So town.

Fey

Spoiler:

I feel really good right now about Battle Mage and the Shadowslug hydra just because we all had the same take at the exact same time. It felt like all went 'huh' naturally together, and it made me giggle.

Oh, okay!!

So pure. So town. Fey is the obvious town we need, even if she's not the obvious town we deserve.

Putting aside the tonal stuff, which is VERY town, can we talk about the actual content? I feel like I vibe pretty much every take at the start of this iso. Why are people entertaining worlds where Fey is not town? Fey is town. Say it out loud: Fey is town. When you hear it in your ears you will know it in your heart.

Batsunami (Noraa + Morning Tweet)

Spoiler:

As the claimed mason that Nancy has not denied being mason, I don't really need to put Morning Tweet or Noraa anywhere particularly on this list. IF I was placing Noraa and Tweetie off play, they would be at the top of the list. The only reason I didn't put them at the top of the list is because I feel like Toog and Fey NEED it more. They need that energy.

But Noraa also needs energy. NORAA <3

TWEEETIE <3

I'm really enjoying being masons with you :3 :3 :3

P.S. Tweetie I can't believe you actually asked me about self-meta this game, I'm going to pretend you didn't

Dunnstral

Spoiler:

I've been trying to decide how much Dunn internalized being murdered by me on day 1 of Titus v. Alisae; he seemed to at one point indicate some lack of reaction to it/not seem to have thought too much about that game, and he argues his meta read % on me isn't as high as I think which is interesting. Still, I'm putting Dunn more here 'politically' I guess you could say. I don't think Dunn ever opens this game, as scum, pushing Penguin when the reason we killed him day 1 of Titus vs Alisae was for pushing/discrediting us early.

He did then move off us, and I have felt like he's unsure. I do feel like he's looking at other slots putting us in their poe, like Morty and Rick, and maybe having an internal conversation about my alignment. I think Dunn being paranoid of me this game makes sense and I think Dunn backing off and continuing to evaluate my slot makes sense. I guess you could say, I think his paranoia feels natural for someone that knows that Nancy always picks me for mason, so while there's a world where he is trying to fish whether I'm actually a mason or not by PoEing me, I think that world is extremely unlikely given my sense of how he would play after Titus v. Ali. I think there's another explanation for his continued paranoia despite, as Tenet demonstrated, him generally having a good readrate on me.

That and I just, really don't want to always spend every game thinking about Dunn's alignment so I'd like for him to be town and to have been correct and assertive about that read for once.

War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)

Spoiler:

One of the reasons I'm writing this list. I'm not sure I actually feel more confident on this read than Akarin, but I'm positioning W&P above Akarin on this list rn more as an indication of what I think this gamestate needs more than anything else. I've recently seen Ircher 3p and I've seen Sam scum PR and I've seen Sam as '1-shot' TPR. This does not feel like Sam's scum PR game at all; she was very much 'in the shit' that game and aggressively obfuscating the gamestate with mech shenanigans. She has presence as scum, she is not a potato scum player. Now, I get why people might get thrown off, because she *also* has presence as something like a 1-shot suiciding TPR. But I've been thinking about that game, and I feel like being a TPR that dies if you get a guilty means she needed to be extremely proactive day 1 on her solve to feel like she was playing the game. She also was in a hood that game and had some additional information on the gamestate as a result. They are playing very passively here; at first, I thought that meant that they were just VT and didn't have the 'edge' on the gamestate as much. Seeing the gunsmith claim though, I think that fits what I think is going on with the setup really well, I think being a 'strong' TPR matches their overall level of presence in the sense that they were okay being in the wider PoE so they could avoid a nightkill over the masons.

I also don't think Sam was like, shitposty or moonlogicy almost at all as scum PR and so stuff like viewtopic.php?p=12608522#p12608522 just feels like a heavy townspew.

Red Eye Knights (Aristophanes + Akarin) Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin) Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin)

Spoiler:

I don't think Akarin is actually under any pressure right now, otherwise I probably would have put this slot a lot higher.

In any case, Akarin is actually kinda a sweaty scum player and stuff like 942, 949, and 967 are tonally strongly town indicative.

Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro)

Spoiler:

I'm mostly putting Auro this far down the list because he clearly WANTS to be this far down the list, and I'm just assuming people won't notice that despite being in the middle of the list I'm actually calling him naked town here. I also want to make sure I get this read in early because I'm sure as soon as mastina says anything this game I'm going to have to downgrade them to an actual null and/or scumread.

Although Auro is certainly capable of shitposting as scum and it's usually safer to just like, ignore his first 20 posts in the game until he has something resembling content. The fact that he has no content this far into the game in the main game thread only means one thing. AND THAT'S THAT HE IS MECH SCUM. THAT'S RIGHT TITUS, BETCHA DIDN'T SEE THIS ONE COMING, I TOTALLY SCUMREAD AURO!!! HEAR THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:3

SaraharaS

Spoiler:

I feel like more of my read for this slot is like gambling or playing the stock market than based on the content of the slot, which is like.... fine?

But real talk, this is like, "would Titus use a 4th pick wild card pick on this" -- and I don't think so. Titus *loves* pts and *loves* people who will talk in pts and even for like "lol no one would think I'd pick a lurker" wifom moonlogic, I don't think she'd sacrifice her own enjoyment of the game simply to pick a wifom lurkerslot. I'd put this slot higher just for that reasoning but I do need to see enough content to actually get a better feel for it.

Gamma Emerald

Spoiler:

Generally speaking, there are very specific tonal things I can get from Gamma that usually will give me a very hard townlock on him if he is town. I haven't gotten those yet, which means I need to evaluate him by other means, but that doesn't mean he's scum at all. His presence and engagement with Saudade is probably the most interesting thing about the slot. In *most* circumstances, I would say that conversation, particularly Gamma's presence in the conversation, was *strongly* town indicative. The main problem here being that I know Gamma is actively trying to improve his scum game and so, probably moreso than any other player in the list, there's the plausible concern that if Titus was offering to coach him, he'd take her up on it. I also know that Saudade *loves* to get into prolonged 1v1s with scumbuddies so that's something to watch for. Still, *usually* Gamma flips town here. I just don't want to lose to another coached scum player like I fucked up my read of GX in Tenet, so I'm a little more cautious here than I usually would be with Gamma, even though my gut tells me he could go higher in this list. I actually moved him up and down like, three different times putting this together.

Olaf

Spoiler:

I can't believe Alisae is letting this obvious shellyc alt into the game. I mean could it be more obvious that Olaf is shellyc? No. No it couldn't.

Anyway, discussing my read on this slot hinges a lot on discussing ShellyC's meta, since this is clearly shellyc. But basically although this slot's play would like, almost always make me think town if it was anyone else, since this player has INFINITE SCUM RANGE I have to keep the snowman below null JUST TO BE SAFE.

Real talk though I wasn't particularly a fan of Pyro's readslist in 2326 and although this read is half joke I can actually see this slot flipping scum. I say that even though, obviously, yes a lot of Pyro's content was like... pretty good and this would obviously be a good slot to resolve with a gunsmith check or something because I'd feel really bad seeing a greenflip on olaf just because I don't like some of pyro's reads.

Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)

Spoiler:

Honestly I don't know what to do with this slot. I townread Kanna's posts generally speaking but I think I'm like, intrinsically biased to townread anything Kanna says regardless of her alignment, and I'm actually a bit worried that "Mitsuha" is outposting Pooky for like, most the game it feels like? idk I feel like I *felt* this was townier but looking back through isos I was like, where the fuck is pooky lmao. I know he's posting, more than some single heads in the game even, but by pooky standards this is like Diet Pooky

Clidd

Spoiler:

I know I've actually played with clidd before, maybe in a newbie or something (I think he was nk'd?) but for some reason this feels like my first game with clidd. I'm not sure I know how to read him yet. The dedicated Saudade tunnel I think could swing either way.

The most AI thing for clidd for me right now is more the way he positioned himself on W&P, particularly Sam. I think the way they've played passively, and Sam did have some like, objectively weird posts that I think scum are very likely to grapple onto, would make Sam a tempting early push for clidd. I also haven't liked how through his Saudade tunnel he's been like, kinda putting me in his wider PoE even though I feel like I've been pretty supportive of the worlds in his solving outside of his Sam read. To the extent that I can remember the newbie game, which honestly I don't very well, this does feel different.

ItalianoVD

Spoiler:

My readrate on Italiano isn't that great yet. It's *possible* he would be interjecting himself into more conversations as scum and be more proactive, but I can also see him cooling off a bit. I don't really think he's outside his range one way or the other and Watson's early reads sometimes are pretty good so I'm inclined to keep this pretty low in the list. If he flipped town I wouldn't be surprised, but I think he could flip scum pretty easily.

5uffering

Spoiler:

First off, am I correct that 5uffering is a stealth alt that knows fey's (another stealth alt's) main? Wtf is up with that?

In terms of content, this is half political scumread half real I guess, in the sense that without more flips I play like nancy in suspecting the people who say they suspect me or aren't finding me town. (Shoshin says this is not correct and that scum are more likely to townread me, but Tenet demonstrated this is not the case and that people attempting to discredit me or keep me in the PoE very often are scum, particularly if they are scum and think they can foster the towncred to ignore it).

I do think the weird logic of 1065 to 1067 is more likely to come from town, but some of his other content just bothers me. I don't like the way he positions Noraa as hard town (putting the mason claim aside) but then says I'm scummy for the BM push, and I really don't like 1069 and the elimination order of "social" players. I don't see how someone puts me before Saudade in a flip order, I didn't like that from 5uffering and I also didn't like Pyro-slot agreeing with that.

Basically, I think the way 5uffering has been saying stuff is a little townie, but I think the stuff he is saying is scummy. In terms of the claim, I feel like he could easily just be scum trueclaiming? And if he is a scum vanilla cop, then that would explain why he is efforting as much as he is this game, probably moreso than if he was really a TPR? I've been trying to get a firm read agreement with Watson here since I don't think we want to hard dive this slot until we're both pretty much on the same page, along with our other mason buddies of course (adding that joke just for you 5uffering <3)

Saudade

Spoiler:

Unlike BM, I don't feel more confident on this slot flipping scum from the replace out. Saudade is kinda a snowflake and would replace out as either alignment here I think. If I had thoughts that he'd rep out as one replacement over another, I'd keep them to myself anyway, but I'm functionally ignoring it. This is a player I would absolutely have liked to have resolved mechanically during night 1 and that night 1 was skipped and I couldn't just hold out that hope means, idk, I'm half tempted to treat this protracted second half of day 1 like a dayvig so that we don't have to keep wondering whether Saudade would leverage toxicity for scum wincon (spoiler: I've modded him, and he would). Saudade *can* be scum here. Saudade could also be town. Watson thinks this is an above rand hit, and while we're still working out the exact ordering of our PoE I'm not sure I'm so much more confident on anything inside {5uffering, Italiano, clidd, Pooky, shellyc} that I would want to go on the over this right now. Mostly though I just think it's easier to think about the game without having to think about Saudade's alignment, and I don't mind giving 5uffering *a night* to see if scum kill him or something, or see if scum kill W&P which I think would make evaluating 5uffering easier.

I kinda doubt Nancy is interested in doing the shellyc alt today but I think we're willing to work with her on any of the bottom five. Watson I think is still catching up on some stuff but I think I'll post this here so he can see where I'm at.

-S

Even this readslist points to Sarah/Gamma.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sarah was only on two wagons: Italiano and War and Peace.

[Titus]

Sarah was only on two wagons: Italiano and War and Peace.

VCA, with queen Nancy. Lol

[Starcrossed]

{fey}
{morning, clidd, pyro}
{kidd}

{dunn, pink ball}

{sarah}

perhaps this is more true to my heart

- i actually gut-town read kidd's slot, and i think i'm decent at these types of reads so i'm going to trust that
- i also reviewed pyro and think he's town again. it just didn't sit well that whenever i opened the thread, i saw posts of pyro calling us lockscum unless we had mason/vig, DESPITE the fact that i know he can read me, and he reluctantly calls me town when asked, but chooses to call us scum anyway, but.................. this is my slot, so i recognise there's some bias. and fey and morning also thinking he's town gives me confidence so. also, i'm sorry, pyro; i was annoyed at this push, but it wasn't your fault. townblock?
- i am still somewhat paranoid of dunn because i remember hardtownreading him in lunacy, but he turned out to be scum. his townslip... looks nice, although is still fakable imo
- as for pink ball... i don't know. i think he'd be good as scum. he's underestimating my townread on clidd though; the way he's pushing him makes me wonder think he's scum, and whether this is a gang-up-attack on clidd if sarah is scum

sarah>pink ball>mental breakdown. but obviously sarah first o7

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

or even

{fey, morning, clidd, pyro}
{kidd}

{dunn, pink ball}

{sarah}

~mitsu

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sarah was only on two wagons: Italiano and War and Peace.

VCA, with queen Nancy. Lol

Well, we’re obviously not going to trust YOU with that.

[Pink Ball]

@kanna I'm not pushing clidd, I don't know where did you get that impression.

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 5 . 34

• SaraharaS
  ----- 1 ( Olaf(28) )
  F- 4
  
  
  Clidd
  --------- 1 ( SaraharaS(6) )
  F- 4
  
  
  Dunnstral
  ----- 0 ( No one )
  F- 5
  
  
  Morning Tweet
  - 0 ( No one )
  F- 5
  
  
  Starcrossed
  --- 0 ( No One )
  F- 5
  
  
  Fey
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 5
  
  
  Olaf
  ---------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 5
  
  
  KidAmn
  -------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 5
  
  
  Pink Ball
  ----- 0 ( No One )
  F- 5
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ---- 7 ( Morning Tweet(17), Starcrossed(14), KidAmn(4), Fey(14), Dunnstral(10), Clidd(25), Pink Ball(23), Titus(14), Nancy Drew 39(72) )

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-03-26 01:17:52)

[clidd]

Apparently my mind had already voted for Sara, although my body had not.

VOTE: SaraharaS

[Nancy Drew 39]

@kanna I'm not pushing clidd, I don't know where did you get that impression.

If you’re scum, you’ve brilliantly orchestrated the VCs to make it look like your buddies were hard bussing your slot the entire game.

[clidd]

is this guy just scum

Scum or a very
very
very
delusional player

cliddd is town
But gamma and italiano are sus

I don't think that this sequence of reasoning was coming from a scum mentality.

For me Saudade is a town that was suffering a tunnel (mine), and managed to reconsider the player that was pushing him.

[clidd]

Not saying that Saudade wouldn't be able to emulate this, but reconsiderations are usually more difficult for scum to express, as their reads are false.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Kanna must have been referring to Saudade, @PB.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Everyone is pushing Sarah. Hmm.

Sarah was only on two wagons: Italiano and War and Peace.

VCA, with queen Nancy. Lol

Actual fact isn’t exactly the same thing as VCA.

Everyone was also pushing Toog yesterday BM prior to his miselim and oh yeah 5uffering before we avoided narrowly miseliming him.

[clidd]

Pb, I recognize that I have had a very poor performance here, to the point of looking scummy. It was not purposeful, although my alternative approach was conscious. I will use the experience to evolve and learn from my mistakes post-game.

If you don't get eliminated and catch the remaining scum no one will remember your first pushes!

Well, I hope to be able to do that lol.

I do think that Sara is scum, but I'm not sure about the partner.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Everyone is pushing Sarah. Hmm.

Sarah was only on two wagons: Italiano and War and Peace.

VCA, with queen Nancy. Lol

Actual fact isn’t exactly the same thing as VCA.

Everyone was also pushing Toog yesterday BM prior to his miselim and oh yeah 5uffering before we avoided narrowly miseliming him.

Oh and War and Peace. I don’t recall whether or not you commented on their wagon or not but I definitely don’t recall you saying a damn thing about any of the prior flipped town wagons.

[Nancy Drew 39]

this setup means that trying to scumhunt is pro scum right now. change my mind

UNVOTE: W&P

sorry haven't read in a while
not been feeling mafia AT ALL this past week and it's probably time for a break after this one
this game especially though is pretty demotivating
Nancy people who know how to read me and are good at reading me have repeatedly told you i'm town

could you maybe trust their judgement rather than pushing for me simply because i'm a VT?

there's nothing more demotivating than being pushed because of mech i have no control over

the only other reason i saw you give was you didn't like my reaction to the whole Morning ordeal
she herself has informed you that my reaction was perfectly normal
and that i know her tells and it's not weird at all that i know for a fact that she's town here

i only skimmed the stuff since i last posted so i may have missed questions or whatever
i'll TRY and get myself back into this later
maybe

oh and i still think War and Peace is scum who we should actually be killing today

you getting pushed by mech arguments that 'Olaf must be scum because one of the people in that group must be scum' which i'm arguing against based on you dropping some of your towntells you say?
not

exactly

the same scenario this time, but i'm still getting flashbacks

...flashbacks to a time where Olaf was good and people were saying they were bad because they were in a hood that people were sure couldn't be all town that we were both in that was all town and i was saying noooo Olaf is good... look, they're even doing

their trust tell

one of their town tells

@Sarah, how is attempting to scumhunt ever proscum?

@Sarah, how is attempting to scumhunt ever proscum?

Green scum!

PR fishing happens!

If no one lied, I know all your PRs.

Hmmm. . .

[KidAmn]

Alrighty it's time for the KidAmn wallspews for a few hours to finally get caught up post

Strap in, lube up, come for the reads stay for the memes that's a lie there's no memes

Spoiler: Sarah

Hey! i'm Saraharas. Nice to meet everyone. I'm only a little intimidated. I wanted to call my account Pyro since that's what I use like... basically everywhere else, but it was taken so I had to go with this. If you google my name looking other accounts then ignore all the weird 'art' accounts and the tiktok. That's not my one

you guys seem to post a lot... 35 pages EEK... but i'll try to get through it as much as i can

Didn't this start like... yesterday lol. How is it d2 what happened???

Did any good people claim or anything? I haven't... 100%... caught up yet.

I'm up to page 3 now. Wow this is getting tough lol... i'll post my thoughts and stuff in a bit

Didn't this start like... yesterday lol. How is it d2 what happened???

Did any good people claim or anything? I haven't... 100%... caught up yet.

How much have you caught up, then, Flavor Leaf?

-Morty

what's a flavor leaf?

I like the readslist.

Sarah, what's your favorite kind of pokemon? I have a role which allows me protect people at night, but it only works if I can guess their favorite pokemon. If I guess their least favorite pokemon, they die instead.

Mew

Didn't this start like... yesterday lol. How is it d2 what happened???

Did any good people claim or anything? I haven't... 100%... caught up yet.

People rushed through a miselim 2 fucking days in is what but what’s done is done, so long as it never happens again, we’ll recover.

huh, isn't that like... super dumb?

This feels like a very drawn out and disingenuous intro, but that might just be my inner asshole talking

ewww this is a lot of people backing Fay up. like why do they need this much support. Batsunami is a shining beacon of goodness and all four of you are complict in the ewness. not even talking about Bat here while you praise Fey? eewwwwww

#3320-3376 in their ISO is a lot of quotes with not much content, #3321 notable for establishing Italiano "feels fake" but apart from that they don't commit to anything but Batsu and Fey as "locktown" and seemingly changing their opinion on Pyro half a dozen times within 3 posts

#3401 - distancing from Sherlock, perhaps? Also some Saudade[PB] shade.

#3736 - Fey wanting to recalibrate = good post; Gamma wanting to... catch up and telling people to avoid quickhammer is a bad post? Doesn't feel like a natural read. Shading Italiano and REK but in very open terms "bad post", "bad vote", "bad vibes, too friendly". Ditto #3746 - 5uffering's posting "[feels] like someone who's doing town work without town motivation." More "bad vibes". This feels like classical early game scum shading without anything concrete because building cases as scum in the early game is haaaaard, mom.

#3756 - "one of these flips scum minimum (Gamme/Italiano)" credits for consistency still trying to push my slot even now but with hindsight (and knowing what my role PM says) this sure looks like setting up bad chainlynches

#3758 - REALLY likes W&P's big pile of graphs that didn't really actually contribute much, distancing from Sherlock (and kind of from Titus?), all in the same post.

wow, i'm so close that i can almost see it. you'd better be around Olaf

You know what? Lets just kill 5uffering today. Nancy you are so certain this flips scum yeah?
When this flips town, you are even with me and my opinion is just as important are yours albeit more but ur a stump so we're even. Because you're about to kill a vanilla cop and all I killed was a VT.
We are about to be even just wait.
I haven't even read up yet but I have to say that the fact that we are running up a vanilla cop claim on day 2 is like not ok especially given we didnt even get a night 1.
I dont know if suffering is scum and I have had pings there but I believe that this is 100% not the optimal lim today and has a decent possibility of flipping town.

If this flips town, we are listening to me tomorrow and flashwagoning clidd. That boi is scum just watch.

NO, please stop with this. It’s antitown to undermine me like this.

it's town indicative tho...

quoting this in full because *yikes*

#3790 feels like a continuation of the classical scum tell I touched on earlier - Sarah has locktown and townleans, but doesn't commit to grouping

anyone

else into scumleans, lockscum, null, etc. Combined with the lack of commitment in prior posting... yeah, I do not like this slot. I do not like it, Sam I Am.

Lots of cozying up to Nancy, "we're vibing", "stop bullying Nancy" etc.

blah blah lots of VT number spec, 0 interest in this

Think I touched on #5429 at the time but bringing up 3rd parties when we know none exist, no es bueno

In summary, don't like this slot, lots of empty posting, lack of commitment to SRs until the dagger is at their throat, naked buddying to the stump

Spoiler: clidd

#551-#577 - not sure I agree with the reasoning, but god this is already so much more actual effort to gamesolve after reading Sarah it's refreshing

#594 - W&P being in the very early postulated townblock with 2 people who've flipped green and MT is an interesting associative. #947 almost looks like coaching after this, too.

Not sure how I feel about them pushing Charlie and Snoopy early, then continuing on 5uffering until they're satisfied with their wall/s to catch up, while W&P gets a fairly easy town-pass in the same timeframe. Still getting the impression they're actually trying to gamesolve though. On this line of thinking, the time they spend on Saudade feels like more effort in a push than scum would invest here, and Saudade not exactly helping with shit like "Ask nancy for the solve im not doing shit this game lol"

man how wild would it be if all these Sherlock gifs were just openwolfing (this isn't serious, but man what a coinkydink that'd be)

Morty, Sherlock, Fey and Pyro are a very strong set. I don't think they are all town.

Based on what?

Speculation. I imagine the game would be very easy if all of these were town.

I forgot to include it, but you are also on that list.

Weird parallel. One now-flipped scum in their early postulated townbloc, one now-flipped scum in this PoE.

Actually, I'm townleaning you Sam but scumreading Ircher

I remembered that you got in the middle of that game and probably didn't read the beginning. If you had read my entry there and compared to here I would have expected an automatic scumread, which is the reason for my suspicion early.

#3319 is their next readlist - I don't see scum being so bold as to have 2 buds in their heavy townreads, but deepwolfing is a thing. This ISO is harder to read for reasons I can't put my finger on, but the content feels like there's more gamesolve effort than I'd expect scum to put up.

Not crazy about the 5uffering push, but credit for commitment

My impression is that the W/P slot is possibly town in the sense of reads.

But if they are the best elimination for today due to some mechanical reason, it's fine.

My preference, after a re-read, is between Toog, Gamma, Rek and maybe Dk.

The priority around 5suf (Dk) has dropped a bit due to the flips, but I still have a strong scummy impression whenever I take a look at his ISO.

Feels very fence-sitting, "ugh I guess if it's mech fiiine" and their pool of preferences is 4 townies

It doesn't bother me if the elimination is on W/P today, although I won't be part of the wagon.

And I still think that Toog is scum, but I don't promise accuracy in this read.

Sara is a potential candidate for deepwolf.

But I'm not interested in voting her today.

Clidd are you Keir Starmer and if not are you best friends on account of how much time you spend on the fence

I lost interest.

UNVOTE: Toogeloo

*Theory*

I don't think

{Fey, Sara, Olaf and Dk}

is a set 100% town, otherwise the game would be much more easier.

Dk

has been more towny recently and I believe that

Olaf

's metadive on me was in good faith/from an uninformed perspective trying to assess me.

Fey

seemed to have a hidden suspicion about Sherlock and the way she positioned herself before the night didn’t strike me as a scum partner.

What by PoE would denounce

Sara

as being the scum in this group.

Part of me thinks this doesn't feel like a logical progression on Sarah from "not interested in voting her today" to "well by PoE Sara has to be scum" but also they remain committed to the whole "I'm not voting there today". Could be weird scum theatre, but seems illogical to have last 2 scum going at each other like this

Saudade's departure is more likely to be town frustrated than scum frustrated imo. The way he dealt with me suspecting him so intensely is different from the scum!Saudade reaction. PB didn't do much after entering, but although I have no idea of ​​the scum!PB pattern of behavior, the towny impression I had of Saudade before he left the slot is strong enough for me to still consider the slot as town.

Person who spent from #1101 to #2880 with their vote on Saudade/PB and continually reiterated their suspicion of Saudade throughout suddenly decides actually, no, their reactions to that were fine. Bruh.

Weird slot, lots of weird interactions, but generally feels like trying to gamesolve on behalf of town; the inconsistencies bug me though. Maybe I haven't played enough Mafia recently but I can't sort this.

Spoiler: Dunn

Think my perception of this slot will be coloured somewhat by their claim lining up with mine which gives me an inclination to mech-read them as town, but here we go

Holy bus this is a lot of early game goodposting, I forgot how fastpaced the first few IRL days of this game were

#284 with the W&P soulread, #356 with the Sherlock soulread (also I don't think Sherlock pivots onto Scum!Dunn there that early but poss. scum theater? Doubt it.)

look I'm gonna be honest I'm at #4898 or so in the ISO and this just

screams

town to me, if Dunn is scum GG WP great pocket the only post I haven't liked is #1094 and even then it's in a "yeah that's a weird hydra self-interaction but idk about voting for it chief" way

Spoiler: Batsu/MT

Jesus christ this early game vomit - almost assuredly NAI but I hate it

I'd wait but I do have places to be before my 90th birthday.

Momma bearrrrrrr I think you are very berry smart because if you chose me I would've called you totus forever and then you would've regretted it big time

:vomiting:

A dunnstral SR is forming because of this post:

How much 'patience' do you really need to google deja vu and get the accents?

Last time I played with town you, you were so serious and your vibe was "lets get down to business I have no time for your bullshit baby talk, Noraa"
This time ... you're shitposting?

A dunnstral SR is forming because of this post:

How much 'patience' do you really need to google deja vu and get the accents?

Last time I played with town you, you were so serious and your vibe was "lets get down to business I have no time for your bullshit baby talk, Noraa"
This time ... you're shitposting?

How is that a shitpost?? I think it's totally serious in response to the read... I don't get this SR.

Ok I'll admit that I didn't read that post carefully enough but it caught my attention because the tone was off. After almost finishing catching up, I'm 90% sure Dunn is scum here. The reason is quite simple. It's a tell that I picked up a while back - Dunn is doing a lot of short replies and many that are pretty mellow and a lot that are in the form of questions. This type of thing could be subconscious or on purpose but it helps you go unnoticed because your opinions and your voice is softer. Does that make any sense?

VOTE: Dunnstral

Press X to Doubt

god, 216 posts in and already on #44 of Batsu/MT ISO, this is *draining* and there's so much that isn't useful at all, just hyperposting for the sake of it

Fey you need to learn to chill your ass out sometimes. Those flimsy questions you asked aren't hard at all for me to answer but you're annoying me so I'm going to ignore you and when someone ignores you, it' means they're annoyed and you chillax and try again later. You dont just repeat the question ten times and expect them to suddenly calm down and answer.

This early game is making me seriously question everyone else TRing this slot, but it could just be that I really,

really

dislike Noraa because by the look of it this entire first few pages of useless spew is them

Sherlock is scummy. The awkward push on Italiano and the pivot onto me.

nah.

I can't fight the Dunn SR. My entire heart and soul believes it. Someone help. Nancy. Nancy. Nancy. help. tell me if I'm right or wrong. I'm going insane with confidence.

Don't deny our mason love noraa

Our mason love cannot be confined to our mason pt <3 <3 <3

-S

No it cannot <33333333333

I can't fight the Dunn SR. My entire heart and soul believes it. Someone help. Nancy. Nancy. Nancy. help. tell me if I'm right or wrong. I'm going insane with confidence.

I’m currently null on him. He could definitely possibly one of Titus’ picks but so far, he’s not pinging me, Why do you think he’s scum here?

Very. Very. Very. Very fucking strong gut. Nancy do you believe in my gut? if you do, try to figure out why Dunn is scum because I dont fucking know how to put it into words. I hate that I can't but I really dont know how to but I just know deep in my soul that Dunn is scum here. I just know. Please helppp

God I just really hate this slot. This whole "nah Dunn is scum I don't have a case just real strong gut trust me Nancy" thing is really rubbing me up the wrong way.

#442 reinforces that I just don't like the Noraa head of this hydra, this is much more reasonable; still hate posts like #470 though


IDK if this is AI at all but this level of posting makes it real hard for me to read people when so much of it is meaningless noise just through pure fatigue

I am telling you that I will willingly die if BM flips town because I know for a fact that he is scum. This is a tell that has ALWAYS worked for me.

Flashwagon me tomorrow if BM flips town. I guarantee 100% that he will not. I hate pushing meta tells because people always ignore me and let them become deep wolves but given that I am UTR here and command some authority, I am asking for town to believe in me and help me. Think about it. Whats the worse that could happen? BM flips town. Big deal.

It's day 1 and your top tR is telling you that they have caught many scum using a specific meta tell. Believe in her.

Day 1: Battle Mage was a VT

(Obviously if BM flips town, I'm not getting nk'ed)

But he won't so I'll probably get nk'ed. Even more likely scenario is that everyone ignores me and he becomes a deep wolf which is the stupidest shit ever but whatever. If that happens, it happens and I can't do anything about it.

Thanks for sheeping me, everyone.

-Morty

I get the credit. Btw did I even vote for BM? Cant remember but for good measure
VOTE: BM

Amazing deflection

You really think I picked someone who hates scum?

Lol this stump wifom is good. Momma bear realizes her precious baby BM is going under because Noraa is attacking him so she comes to discredit me. Good one.

Oh good we're WIFOM WIFOMing

The constant denunciation of BM and insistence they'll die if he's town is grating and in hindsight mildly concerning

god this readthrough has taken twice as long as everyone else so far and I'm not even halfway through death to hyperposters

i think if im scum with noraa here, i probably dont have her as my top townread. and i probably lurk out because i'd be super pissed at being bussed so horribly

You will never kill me by associations scum.

Help me find out who she’s shielding. I think you’re probably a miselim and specifically because of Pooky vs FL, I would prefer you not be the D1 wagon.

No Nancy. Deepwolf potentials either die day 1 or become a deep wolf. We need to get rid of him day 1.
Look how much you like him and want to save him. Think about if there was a single person that wanted to save him in pookyvflava except pooky who has RL connections with him.
There were none. There is so much resistance to this wagon and he seems so so towny. Those are clear scum indicators.

I'm genuinely torn between how hard this tunnel is and how awful the posting around it has been, there's been 0 case just "DK TELL DK TELL TRUST ME I GOT THIS BUT SOMEONE ELSE PWEASE PUSH IT 'CAUSE I CAN'T DK TELL DK TELL" and I see all the Nancy osfting but... UUUGH

Well I would be going Dunnstral now because he's been sideline-y

You guaranteed BM was flipping scum.

I was really convinced

Take the time to reevaluate, Nora.

BM's flip doesn't make you anymore town. I'm just in no position to push you right now.

Wasn't your reasoning for Clidd being scum related to Bm being scum?

Ye but I still don't really believe this is town clidd. Again, I'm not going to push this today but I do not think BM's flip changes my read on clidd.

Nope. Don't like it.

Before I read up, lol at morning and i's convo yesterday like
"OMG THIS IS THE MOST OBVTOWN I'VE EVER BEEN"
"OMG SAME BUT WE NOT GONNA LAST LONG"
"N2 NK EYYY"

alright you know what I'm just gonna stop reading this slot here and skip ahead to when it becomes solely MT because I just can't deal with this posting/playstyle

This is so much spaffing over the minutae of MT's claimed role and I just... zzz

But otherwise I'm generally liking MT's gamesolve/thought process and willing to accept they're town despite the other head of Batsunami being batsh...

I'll do the other 5 after dinner because man this is an exhausting game to go through everyone's ISOs on